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Graduates Know Even Less About History (Take The Quiz!)
Madison.com ^ | September 19, 2007 | Anita Weier

Posted on 09/19/2007 5:48:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The University of Wisconsin-Madison did relatively well in a 50-college test of how much students learned about history and economics during four years of college, but students in Wisconsin and nationally knew little when they came in and not much more when they left. No college did better than a D-plus on the Civic Literacy Test released Tuesday by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a nonpartisan conservative educational organization that stresses the values of a free society.

The national average was F.

The test of 14,000 randomly selected students revealed that some of the most expensive Ivy League universities, with the highest-paid presidents and largest government subsidies, were the worst-performing, the institute found.

Overall, the nation's freshmen and seniors scored slightly more than 50 percent on the 60-question exam. The institute said that a kindergartner would have scored about 20 percent correct just by guessing.

The study tested freshmen and seniors at the colleges and universities, in order to determine how much history they learned there. The researchers did not test the same students in freshmen and senior years, but those who were freshmen and seniors in the same year.

Eastern Connecticut State University ranked first, by adding 9.65 percentage points to the score from freshman to senior year. Marian College, a private school in Fond du Lac, was second, with a 9.44 percentage point gain, while the University of Wisconsin-Madison ranked 15th, gaining 6.3 percentage points.

UW-Madison and Marian College were the only Wisconsin schools tested.

Living in the present

Asked about the exercise, David McDonald, chairman of the History Department at UW-Madison, termed the test interesting but questioned the institute's conclusions.

Students generally learn basic history in high school, he said, adding that they often study historical details in order to pass college entry exams, but then go on to pursue other knowledge at the college level.

"Colleges reflect general attitudes and patterns in society. This is not a historically oriented society. We look at quarterly reports instead of long trends. There is a lot of emphasis on living in the present, and not a great deal of understanding of larger historical patterns," said McDonald, who grew up in Canada but got just three wrong on the American history exam.

"There is a mythical past in which everyone knew this material. If you are from a well-to-do household with well-educated parents, you will do well on this and other academic areas. Students should probably know the sequence of events in the Civil War. But is it more important for Americans to know that John Locke was a major influence on the Declaration of Independence or that they have a strong understanding of their rights and be willing to act on them?"

Students at several expensive universities, including Yale, Cornell, Princeton and Duke, actually lost ground during four years of college education.

But the median score of students at those prestigious universities was higher than most colleges where students gained more knowledge during their college career.

For instance, freshman at Yale got 68.94 percent of the answers right and those at Cornell got 61.9 percent correct, though seniors did worse in both cases.

UW-Madison freshmen scored 51.57 percent correct and seniors got 57.87 percent. At Marian College, freshmen scored just 33.66 percent and seniors 43.10 percent.

Gorbachev who?

The test consisted of 60 multiple-choice questions about America's history, government, international relations and economics. The test, the answers and the results at the various colleges can be found online at http://www.americancivicliteracy.org

Typical questions included: "The Constitution of the United States established what form of government?" and "Which wall was President Reagan referring to when he said, 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall'?" The test also included some questions on the U.S. economy and political philosophy.

"The evidence from our ongoing research shows that colleges, especially the most expensive and elite schools, are failing to advance students' knowledge of America's history, government and free market economics and consequently not preparing their students to be informed and engaged citizens," said Josiah Bunting III, chairman of ISI's National Civic Literacy Board.

"The time has come for higher education's key decision-makers -- state legislators, trustees, donors, alumni, faculty, students' parents -- to hold the nation's colleges and their presidents accountable for teaching their students America's history and institutions."

McDonald said nationwide, students who took the test did well on questions regarding Abraham Lincoln, the New Deal and Brown vs. Board of Education, and did worst on the Revolutionary War, Plato and the requirement for a just war, a question that he said was strangely phrased.

Students who study history in college learn that events are the results of several levels of cause, and that people are products of their times, McDonald said.

"They learn that evidence must be scrutinized and viewed with skepticism," he said. "Our job is to produce people who can do critical thinking, who are aware that they hold certain views and understand why."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: academia; amiabledunces; civicstest; competency; educatedmorons; highereducation; hillsdale; historyeducation; illiteracy; madisonwi
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And this, Fellow Americans, is why we are doomed in the WOT. :(
1 posted on 09/19/2007 5:49:04 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org


2 posted on 09/19/2007 5:50:11 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Took it this afternoon on the earlier thread. Scored 57.


3 posted on 09/19/2007 5:51:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -3)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Can I google the answers first so I get 100%?

/sarc


4 posted on 09/19/2007 5:54:15 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You Failed 8th Grade US History
Sorry, you only got 5/8 correct!
Could You Pass 8th Grade History?

5 posted on 09/19/2007 5:56:25 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Wow. That’s excellent. I looked at the first five questions and got scared! I’m not sure how to retain information I learned 20+ years ago. The ability to remember this stuff is - in and of itself - a commendable skill, IMHO.


6 posted on 09/19/2007 5:57:04 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Petronski

I don’t necessarily believe you because my score was 76.8 but you got me to admit it. I thought I would do better.


7 posted on 09/19/2007 5:57:42 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

My score was 57 out of 60, btw. I hope my previous post was not confusing.


8 posted on 09/19/2007 5:59:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -3)
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To: Petronski

Outstanding!


9 posted on 09/19/2007 5:59:54 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

7 of 8. Should have got ‘em all.


10 posted on 09/19/2007 6:00:22 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I scored 85%.


11 posted on 09/19/2007 6:00:32 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: eyedigress

In the previous thread, one FReeper reported a score of 59.


12 posted on 09/19/2007 6:01:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -3)
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To: Petronski

Yeah, like anyone here would think you had scored a 60%.

C’mon now! :O)


13 posted on 09/19/2007 6:02:14 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Kevmo
You Passed 8th Grade US History
Congratulations, you got 7/8 correct!
Could You Pass 8th Grade History?

Nyah, nyah, ni-niyah!

14 posted on 09/19/2007 6:02:50 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I scored a 78% and confirmed what I have felt since the day I graduated college, I do not know enough about 20th century history.
15 posted on 09/19/2007 6:03:57 PM PDT by elizabetty (Don't Taze Me Bro')
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To: Petronski
CORRECTION:

Yeah, like anyone here would think you had scored a 60% 57%.

Can't even get that right!

16 posted on 09/19/2007 6:04:07 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Petronski

I saw it and was very impressed after seeing the stength of the questions. I would have done much better (I believe) if asked within 4 years of college.


17 posted on 09/19/2007 6:04:40 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got 58 out of 60. Most of them are ridiculously easy, particularly the history ones.

I’m not sure I agree with the answers to the two I missed.


18 posted on 09/19/2007 6:05:24 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Petronski

Misread two questions. 56


19 posted on 09/19/2007 6:06:33 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: eyedigress

Stength is not to be confused with series. BTW


20 posted on 09/19/2007 6:07:15 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

I am 30 years out of college, but never read history there anyway.

Now I read a lot of scholarly history, long and detailed.


21 posted on 09/19/2007 6:07:34 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I only got 52 out of 60 right, although I disagree with some of the “right” answers I missed.


22 posted on 09/19/2007 6:08:13 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Petronski

80%. Blew Econ, my weak point.


23 posted on 09/19/2007 6:08:41 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Petronski

I scored 57 also. Might have gotten the three questions correct if I slowed down. I certainly understood why those answers were correct. Oh - 55 y/o with MS degree.


24 posted on 09/19/2007 6:08:47 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Are you sure you passed 8th grade? ;-)


25 posted on 09/19/2007 6:09:17 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Predominant socialists do not favor the knowledge of U.S. history in the minds of our young people since they fully intend to destroy America as a Constitutional Republic. They generally refuse to teach the REASONS why America happened in the first place, and cannot bear to show that Americans stood up and REBELLED against a repressive, oppressive government.

The very idea of individual freedom, freedom from government domination -— is just plain ANTI-SOCIALIST.


26 posted on 09/19/2007 6:09:22 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

56 out of 60 here. 2 wrong answers were just because I rushed through it and I’m tired. 19 and 58 I just didn’t know, but admittedly I should have known them. Oh well.


27 posted on 09/19/2007 6:09:37 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: proxy_user

I need to buy those federalist books. I had my chance and didn’t do it. I’ll clear that up.


28 posted on 09/19/2007 6:09:59 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: buccaneer81

85% but some of the questions were bogus.


29 posted on 09/19/2007 6:10:33 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The actual test is here.

The test answers are here.

30 posted on 09/19/2007 6:11:58 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Got 58. Probably a little more economics in there than I’d have put, and my guess is that the authors were of the Austrian School... ;-)


31 posted on 09/19/2007 6:12:05 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


32 posted on 09/19/2007 6:12:57 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You answered 55 out of 60 correctly — 91.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0%


33 posted on 09/19/2007 6:13:15 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Petronski

>>>Took it this afternoon on the earlier thread. Scored 57.

73%


34 posted on 09/19/2007 6:14:50 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (A dyslexic, agnostic insomniac asks, "Is there a doG?")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Hooo boy, that was rough. Haven't thought about some of those in along time!

"You answered 51 out of 60 correctly — 85.00 % Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%"

35 posted on 09/19/2007 6:15:10 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Well, I made an 80. Who the heck is Max Weber?


36 posted on 09/19/2007 6:16:03 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Kill the Terrorists. Secure the Borders. Give Me Back My Freedom. FRed Thompson can do it.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got a 75%....average.


37 posted on 09/19/2007 6:16:05 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
88.33%

That was actually a pretty hard test. I need to brush up on my Burke and my macroeconomic theory, apparently.

38 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:09 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Keith in Iowa

For my high score, I must be very honest: the quiz is directed at law, economics and politics.

I have degrees in economics and law, and a minor focus in political science.

For me, 57/60 is embarrassing.


39 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:27 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -3)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It has long been my contention that the reason the country has fallen so far to the left is that unrevised American History has not been taught for decades in the public school system.

Social studies with political overtones has taken it’s place to the point where America is taught to be the villain in the world today in all too many cases.

Does the allegiance to the flag still open the new school day across the country? Is the National Anthem played at the beginning of each football game? Or have they been deliberately stamped out to defeat the unity of patriots?

If a people doesn’t know from whence it came, can a people have guidelines on where to go? I think that bad decisions are made on a more emotional basis than an intellectual one, based on a knowledge of historical events .

Unrevised American history is full of real heroes. All young people need heroes to admire. They all need inspiration to aspire to greatness in their own lives.

Public education as well as higher education has robbed two generations of Americans so far. Will our cherished way of life be extinct before another can be raised?

Parents, take charge of your schools. If they do not respond, home school your children. You can do it! You will benefit by watching your children enthuse as they learn, and you just might learn a thing or two as well.


40 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:30 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Rome2000
but some of the questions were bogus.

How so?

41 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:34 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Frank Sheed
Blew Econ, my weak point.
Me, too.
42 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:59 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Kill the Terrorists. Secure the Borders. Give Me Back My Freedom. FRed Thompson can do it.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Has anyone using Firefox taken this quiz?

The automatic scorer said that I “missed (failed to answer?) a few questions.”

...all of ‘em.

GRRRRRRRRRR...


43 posted on 09/19/2007 6:19:49 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Argh! I only got 51 out of 60 right. :{


44 posted on 09/19/2007 6:20:16 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Clara Lou

Max Weber = Mr. Protestant Work Ethic. He theorized that displaced religious energy lead to successful capitalism.

All those mills and factories in 19th-century Massachusetts....


45 posted on 09/19/2007 6:20:22 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Peter W. Kessler
Has anyone using Firefox taken this quiz?

Yes. Had no problems.

46 posted on 09/19/2007 6:20:56 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Only got 90%. My dad would take me to the woodshed for that.
;o)


47 posted on 09/19/2007 6:21:42 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Now if they had been tested on Queer studies, or Feminist Theories of Western Civ...


48 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:01 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ashamed to say I only got 52/60...but, in my defense, most of those missed were on economics which still causes me to nod off, even 30 years after grad school. John Locke did sneak one by me though.


49 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:18 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

I’m using Firefox and it worked fine for me. Do you have scripting and java enabled? Cookies?


50 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:33 PM PDT by jameslalor
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