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Graduates Know Even Less About History (Take The Quiz!)
Madison.com ^ | September 19, 2007 | Anita Weier

Posted on 09/19/2007 5:48:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The University of Wisconsin-Madison did relatively well in a 50-college test of how much students learned about history and economics during four years of college, but students in Wisconsin and nationally knew little when they came in and not much more when they left. No college did better than a D-plus on the Civic Literacy Test released Tuesday by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a nonpartisan conservative educational organization that stresses the values of a free society.

The national average was F.

The test of 14,000 randomly selected students revealed that some of the most expensive Ivy League universities, with the highest-paid presidents and largest government subsidies, were the worst-performing, the institute found.

Overall, the nation's freshmen and seniors scored slightly more than 50 percent on the 60-question exam. The institute said that a kindergartner would have scored about 20 percent correct just by guessing.

The study tested freshmen and seniors at the colleges and universities, in order to determine how much history they learned there. The researchers did not test the same students in freshmen and senior years, but those who were freshmen and seniors in the same year.

Eastern Connecticut State University ranked first, by adding 9.65 percentage points to the score from freshman to senior year. Marian College, a private school in Fond du Lac, was second, with a 9.44 percentage point gain, while the University of Wisconsin-Madison ranked 15th, gaining 6.3 percentage points.

UW-Madison and Marian College were the only Wisconsin schools tested.

Living in the present

Asked about the exercise, David McDonald, chairman of the History Department at UW-Madison, termed the test interesting but questioned the institute's conclusions.

Students generally learn basic history in high school, he said, adding that they often study historical details in order to pass college entry exams, but then go on to pursue other knowledge at the college level.

"Colleges reflect general attitudes and patterns in society. This is not a historically oriented society. We look at quarterly reports instead of long trends. There is a lot of emphasis on living in the present, and not a great deal of understanding of larger historical patterns," said McDonald, who grew up in Canada but got just three wrong on the American history exam.

"There is a mythical past in which everyone knew this material. If you are from a well-to-do household with well-educated parents, you will do well on this and other academic areas. Students should probably know the sequence of events in the Civil War. But is it more important for Americans to know that John Locke was a major influence on the Declaration of Independence or that they have a strong understanding of their rights and be willing to act on them?"

Students at several expensive universities, including Yale, Cornell, Princeton and Duke, actually lost ground during four years of college education.

But the median score of students at those prestigious universities was higher than most colleges where students gained more knowledge during their college career.

For instance, freshman at Yale got 68.94 percent of the answers right and those at Cornell got 61.9 percent correct, though seniors did worse in both cases.

UW-Madison freshmen scored 51.57 percent correct and seniors got 57.87 percent. At Marian College, freshmen scored just 33.66 percent and seniors 43.10 percent.

Gorbachev who?

The test consisted of 60 multiple-choice questions about America's history, government, international relations and economics. The test, the answers and the results at the various colleges can be found online at http://www.americancivicliteracy.org

Typical questions included: "The Constitution of the United States established what form of government?" and "Which wall was President Reagan referring to when he said, 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall'?" The test also included some questions on the U.S. economy and political philosophy.

"The evidence from our ongoing research shows that colleges, especially the most expensive and elite schools, are failing to advance students' knowledge of America's history, government and free market economics and consequently not preparing their students to be informed and engaged citizens," said Josiah Bunting III, chairman of ISI's National Civic Literacy Board.

"The time has come for higher education's key decision-makers -- state legislators, trustees, donors, alumni, faculty, students' parents -- to hold the nation's colleges and their presidents accountable for teaching their students America's history and institutions."

McDonald said nationwide, students who took the test did well on questions regarding Abraham Lincoln, the New Deal and Brown vs. Board of Education, and did worst on the Revolutionary War, Plato and the requirement for a just war, a question that he said was strangely phrased.

Students who study history in college learn that events are the results of several levels of cause, and that people are products of their times, McDonald said.

"They learn that evidence must be scrutinized and viewed with skepticism," he said. "Our job is to produce people who can do critical thinking, who are aware that they hold certain views and understand why."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: academia; amiabledunces; civicstest; competency; educatedmorons; highereducation; hillsdale; historyeducation; illiteracy; madisonwi
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To: Rome2000
but some of the questions were bogus.

How so?

41 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:34 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Frank Sheed
Blew Econ, my weak point.
Me, too.
42 posted on 09/19/2007 6:18:59 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Kill the Terrorists. Secure the Borders. Give Me Back My Freedom. FRed Thompson can do it.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Has anyone using Firefox taken this quiz?

The automatic scorer said that I “missed (failed to answer?) a few questions.”

...all of ‘em.

GRRRRRRRRRR...


43 posted on 09/19/2007 6:19:49 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Argh! I only got 51 out of 60 right. :{


44 posted on 09/19/2007 6:20:16 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Clara Lou

Max Weber = Mr. Protestant Work Ethic. He theorized that displaced religious energy lead to successful capitalism.

All those mills and factories in 19th-century Massachusetts....


45 posted on 09/19/2007 6:20:22 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Peter W. Kessler
Has anyone using Firefox taken this quiz?

Yes. Had no problems.

46 posted on 09/19/2007 6:20:56 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Only got 90%. My dad would take me to the woodshed for that.
;o)


47 posted on 09/19/2007 6:21:42 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Now if they had been tested on Queer studies, or Feminist Theories of Western Civ...


48 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:01 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ashamed to say I only got 52/60...but, in my defense, most of those missed were on economics which still causes me to nod off, even 30 years after grad school. John Locke did sneak one by me though.


49 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:18 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

I’m using Firefox and it worked fine for me. Do you have scripting and java enabled? Cookies?


50 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:33 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

70% here. Duh.


51 posted on 09/19/2007 6:22:34 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: eyedigress

Well, I had a 75.4% and I’m a total History Geek who goes nowhere without her Pocket Constitution, LOL!

That test was a tad skewed. And very sneaky...


52 posted on 09/19/2007 6:23:00 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got a 75. If I had taken it about three years ago I would have scored same as the average college student.

Between things I read on FR and books recommended by FReepers I’ve learned a lot!

Thank you Free Republic!


53 posted on 09/19/2007 6:23:14 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Let me add that a couple of years ago, briefly contemplating a career change, I took the California test to determine if I was qualified to teach high school history, econ, and poli sci. It took hours, but I passed with flying colors. That test wasn’t nearly as hard as this test just was, all of which says more about the qualifications to teach high school history than anything else.


54 posted on 09/19/2007 6:23:45 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got an 80%. I missed 12 and I am a bit ashamed.


55 posted on 09/19/2007 6:24:05 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: mockingbyrd

You got the score I got. I stupidly marked one wrong, but I can live with that. Of course if college hadn’t been so many years ago...


56 posted on 09/19/2007 6:24:43 PM PDT by Comstock1 (If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.)
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To: proxy_user

I also got a 58. Interesting test.


57 posted on 09/19/2007 6:24:47 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: buccaneer81

#53 was pretty nebulous.

Answer could have just as easily been A


58 posted on 09/19/2007 6:25:15 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Kevmo
You Passed 8th Grade US History
Congratulations, you got 6/8 correct!
Could You Pass 8th Grade History?



I only got one more right then you did! That was close!
59 posted on 09/19/2007 6:26:40 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: eyedigress

I got a 70. Not too bad considering I sort of breezed through it and never went to college. Can I get college credits for this?

I did think I’d do better though :(,


60 posted on 09/19/2007 6:27:16 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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