Skip to comments.Mammoth graveyard may someday be open to public
Posted on 09/20/2007 6:21:38 AM PDT by Dysart
WACO -- Not far from modest suburban homes in the middle of some thick Texas woods lies a secret boneyard.
Surrounded by a tall chain-link fence and covered by what looks like a red-and-white circus tent, the site contains the remains of towering monsters. Remains of at least 25 mammoths, signs of a big saber-toothed cat and a long extinct camel have been found at the site.
This is the Waco Mammoth Site, a collection of prehistoric fossils embedded in the dirt not far from the Bosque River. The site could be a potent educational resource if it were not off-limits to schoolchildren. It's been called a national treasure in the heart of Texas, but it remains closed to the public.
On Wednesday, reporters were allowed to tour the backwoods site, a rare event. Waco city leaders and curators from Baylor University are in the process of creating a new management plan for the site and hope to open it to the public soon. They are seeking public comment and financial support for the creation of a permanent structure to protect the fragile artifacts. That led to the media tour, although reporters had to agree not to disclose its exact location in order to protect the artifacts from looters.
"It's a nationally significant site for this time period. You don't find something like this anywhere else in the nation," said National Park Service official Russ Whitlock, who joined university and city officials at the site.
"It's a wonderful site, it's amazing. I've worked at a lot of sites and you don't see places like this," said Anita Benedict, collections manager of the Mayborn Museum Complex at Baylor, which manages the site.
At the middle of the dig, which is sunk into the clay about two feet below a makeshift boardwalk, are the bones of a massive Columbian mammoth. Big, even for a mammoth, the bull probably stood 14 feet tall at the shoulders, which is about 30 percent larger than a modern-day elephant. Its 6-foot tusks are clearly visible, as are its ribs, a molar, and bones from its front and hind legs.
Benedict said that the bull was found with the remains of a calf in its tusks, as if it were attempting to lift the young mammoth from danger. She said a female mammoth was also found with a young calf in its tusks. One of the mammoths had a broken rib, which Benedict said appeared to indicate some sort of conflict with another mammoth.
"It looks like they got into a defensive circle," Benedict said. It's unclear, however, why they all died together and why the site contains such a rich collection of fossils.
"We're not sure what happened but there are hypotheses," she said. "There was a flood, they got trapped in the ravine and couldn't get out of it. The mud here is very sticky."
In all, 25 mammoths were found at the site, and more may remain buried, she said. The remains of 16 mammoths have been removed and are in storage at the Mayborn Museum. The museum features an exhibit duplicating the skeletal remains of the bull mammoth with the calf in its tusks.
Discovered in 1978
The site was discovered by a pair of amateur fossil hunters in 1978. They reported it to Baylor University, and by 1990 experts had identified, preserved and removed the remains of 15 mammoths. Later an additional 10 were found.
The fossils date back about 68,000 years to a time when central Texas had fewer trees and more grassland. One National Park Service expert said the area probably then seemed more like the Serengeti plains in Africa, and was probably a bit cooler and wetter.
Some of the proposed site management plans contemplate turning the site over to the federal government so it could become part of the National Park Service inventory. A 2002 law signed by President Bush calls for the completion of a study to determine how best to protect the resource, how best to allow public use, and the feasibility of adding it to the federal park system.
A National Park Service official estimated Wednesday that it could cost about $1.5 million annually to operate the site as park. But like the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, the National Park Service has faced funding shortfalls and so may look to partner with local authorities.
But even without the National Park Service's involvement, Baylor University and city officials hope to have the site open to the public on a limited basis within a year or so. A spokeswoman for Mayborn Museum at Baylor said supporters have so far raised more than $1 million in donations, which will be used for the construction of a building and restrooms.
The spokeswoman said boosters hope to raise a total of $2.3 million and then begin the painstaking process of building a structure that will help protect the bones without damaging the dig.
At the same time, officials conducting the special resource study should soon be reporting back to Congress about the feasibility of turning the Waco Mammoth Site over to the National Park Service.
I have been to the Mammoth Site in Hot Springs, SD.
It is incredible to know that such animals walked our land and how different our climate was.
No no no no no! Today is the hottest our planet has ever been! Get with the program. Sheesh!
30% larger than elephants is damned impressive.
Waiting for the Darwinists to show up.
The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization
by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith
Thanks Red Badger.
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Yep. That’s a hugh graveyard, alright.
Catastrophe book ping
I tusk don’t know if I’ll ever get to visit.
New York Times any day now?
“There was a flood...”
I eared it would be pretty awesome.
There are many sabertooth tiger carcasses, sort of intact, and many mammoth bones here in Fairbanks, too. The gold miners brought them up in the first half of the past century. There’s no park, you can just walk around some of the old goldmines.
Tusk, tusk! More mammoth news is herd from.
:’) Sad that their lives were truncated.
I’m nearly through reading it, it’s mostly excellent, and pertinent here because of mass extinction of the mammoths.
How long ago did the flood of Noah occur?
...The fossils date back about 68,000 years to a time when central Texas had fewer trees and more grassland.
Yes, but it’s a good tail.
It sounds like they think that the mammoths were protecting their calves from a flood, but what were the saber tooth cat and a camel doing there with them?
And there might be more mammoths there as well? How big of a flood was that?
My neighbor found a 12 ft long tusk on his property in Bell county Tx!
I’ve seen it! (Too bad he ruined it with ‘epoxy’ glue...)
Yep, time to blow the lid off this thing.
I don’t really know; those questions sprung to my mind as well. Maybe the camel and saber tooth cat(tiger) were somehow washed down to this location later?
I sure hope they open this to the public. My pet mammoth told me he wants to be buried here with a few of his old friends.
I woolly expected more from you.
I hope they release the location. I’m eager to pack my trunk and journey down...
A condition which still exists for much of Texas. According to secular scientists, there were still mammoths and ground sloths running around North America as recently as 10 or 11,000 years ago. The evidence here is not inconsistent with the animals having been overwhelmed by a flood, so the only question is dating.
While this is interesting, it does not answer my original question about when the flood of Noah is supposed to have occurred.
How long before they blame these deaths on Bush, Rove and Cheney?
Wouldn’t it be cool if they could take the DNA from a mammoth and put it into a fertilized elephant’s egg in her womb?
I wonder if we would ever do that?
They didn’t happen to find the remains of Janet Reno there did they?
I think that has been done. The mammoth they found in Siberia and had a big show on Discovery was used. The DNA material was taken to Japan and implanted there, I think. No links on that though. I believe it was done in the past two to three years ago. I do not remember the results.
I wasn’t around then, so I can’t give a precise date. The geological record seems to indicate about 10,000 or so years ago.
By using the dates mentioned in the bible when sons were born to the patriarchs, most scholars say that the Deluge must have taken place in the third millennium before the birth of Jesus Christ possibly between 2500 BC and 2300 BC.
Here’s the order, based on dates mentioned in the bible.
Name - Years before son’s birth
Noah was 600 years old when it happened:
In the 600th year of Noah’s life, in the 2nd month, the 17th day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. On the very same day Noah, Noah’s sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth, Noah’s wife and his sons three wives with them, entered the ark with two of every animal and bird. God shut the door of the ark, and the Flood began. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed 15 cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth and every man.... Only Noah and those with him in the ark remained alive. [Gen 7:11-23]
Zats whatz zay zay.
Something else, I found a 68 million year old turtle in a gravel pit, not 2 miles from there.
The whole area also used to be beachfront property a long, long time ago. There are dinosaur footprints all up the Brazos and Puluxy Rivers north of Waco, too.
WOW. Thanks for the extra insight. Never can trust those journalists to get it right.
Interestingly, this roughly corresponds to the same period that Dr. Robert Schoch theorized that a great flood occurred in Egypt. (See: Sphix Studies)
Evidence from the Black Sea does point to a slightly more recent date - say 7600 years ago.
If so, then there's a discrepancy of 1400 or so years.
And according to sevenbak's interpretation, which somewhat agrees with what I've heard over the years, the great flood occurred 2500-2300 B.C.
So, it's better to say that we don't really know when the flood of Noah occurred, isn't it?
Every time I read anything written about the mammoths, journalists get something wrong in the story. I’ve read that the two kids were adults, amatuer fossilhunters...ROFL, teenagers, two boys, two girls, Baylor University, a landowner, and a few other variances of all of those. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard it told right once. I have even heard officials from Baylor, on the news, explaining the story and getting it wrong. I’m beginning to wonder if anyone even remembers or cares. There was one girl that was there and might be on this forum. Last I heard, I think she was a Marine Biologist in Galveston, TX. I believe her name was Selina? I know her last name, but I won’t post it. If you’re out there, speak up, I know you have quite a few interesting stories to tell as well.