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Inflicting white neuroses on nonwhite women
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 21, 2007 | Paul F. Campos

Posted on 09/21/2007 9:49:40 PM PDT by jwalburg

Americans are obsessed with fat because fatness has become a symbol for poverty, downward mobility, nonwhiteness and socially marginal status in general. Fear and hatred of fat has very little to do with the health risks associated with being "overweight" and "obese" (which are wholly imaginary and highly exaggerated

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fat; obesity; poverty; race; stigma; weight
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Hello, Chicken Nuggets!
1 posted on 09/21/2007 9:49:43 PM PDT by jwalburg
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To: jwalburg

I associate fatness with a sedentary lifestyle and too much emphasis on food.

I don’t think of it as black/white, rich/poor - just a choice of lifestyle.

Guess I’m odd.


2 posted on 09/21/2007 9:53:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: jwalburg

This article is stupid to the point of being insulting.


3 posted on 09/21/2007 9:54:10 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“I associate fatness with a sedentary lifestyle and too much emphasis on food.

I don’t think of it as black/white, rich/poor - just a choice of lifestyle.

Guess I’m odd.”

Same here!


4 posted on 09/21/2007 9:54:48 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: jwalburg
Americans are obsessed with fat because fatness has become a symbol for poverty, downward mobility, nonwhiteness and socially marginal status in general.

No, fatness is a symbol of low or no self-esteem, no motivation, and no self-control. There's a fairly simple solution: eat less and exercise more. And no one can convince me that a bag of apples (or whatever fruit is in season) costs more than a box of sugary and fat-laden candy bars (and I loooooove chocolate).

5 posted on 09/21/2007 9:58:44 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Califreak

BTW - I’ve gone to professional meetings where wealthy white male engineers had to sit with their legs spread so their bellies could hang between them. Too much time behind a desk. Too many donuts at the meetings. It had nothing to do with poverty or race.


6 posted on 09/21/2007 9:59:33 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: hsalaw

That’s the Mike Huckabee diet, I understand. Eat an apple every day.


7 posted on 09/21/2007 10:00:01 PM PDT by jwalburg (Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. What does that say about schools?)
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To: jwalburg

I want to scream.

IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH CHEAP FOOD, YOU ARE BY DEFINITION NOT POOR.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG


8 posted on 09/21/2007 10:00:41 PM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: jwalburg

I work at a Fortune 500 company. I realized the other day that all the more elite women were in really good shape while the lower level women in general are not in such great shape.

Fact of life, image counts.


9 posted on 09/21/2007 10:01:08 PM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: jwalburg

Aren’t we supposed to move beyond race at some point? What does race have to do with being overweight?


10 posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:08 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Rembrandt
Pretty much.

The fundamental strategy of the war on fat is to universalize the attitudes of middle- and upper-class white American women toward weight, food, dieting and exercise. Such women are taught from a very early age to hate their bodies.

That must be it. If you want to diet and keep healthy, it's got to be that you hate your body.

11 posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:22 PM PDT by jwalburg (Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. What does that say about schools?)
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To: jwalburg

The real travesty is that they actually pay people to think and write like this?


12 posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: jwalburg

So “Fat” is now considered a race? Huh? Or were the authors saying it’s OK for minority women to be fat? I’m confused.


13 posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:54 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: jwalburg

The author can kiss my skinny Latina butt.


14 posted on 09/21/2007 10:03:23 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: jwalburg
Inflicting white neuroses on nonwhite women

Better than inflicting nonwhite neurosis on white chicks. I'm getting real tired of hearing pale yuppie chicks calling each other "sistah" and yelling "You go, girl!"

It's just plain goofy, is what it is.

15 posted on 09/21/2007 10:04:34 PM PDT by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Well, it shouldn't make a difference to Martin Luther King's color blind society, but the article above this one has these figures:

It is a mistake to think that obesity is a problem only in certain social or racial groups. It is rampant in all races, in both genders, and across all ages. It would be (sic) mistake as well to believe that race and social class do not matter. The prevalence of significant obesity (body mass index over 30) in the U.S. population is 29% for Caucasians, 34% for Hispanics and 40% for African Americans. Fully 78% of African American females are overweight or obese.

78 percent is a HUGH figure. How can this be?

16 posted on 09/21/2007 10:05:21 PM PDT by jwalburg (Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. What does that say about schools?)
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To: Mr Rogers

i think it is more of a class issue

no doubt poorer folks are fatter

which seems like a paradox eh?


17 posted on 09/21/2007 10:06:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (if God is your co-pilot, you need to switch seats)
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To: jwalburg
Well.. then who is responsible for white women injecting collagen into their lips?

18 posted on 09/21/2007 10:08:30 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Mr Rogers

I’ve seen many fat, white professional women as well.

They are usually the worst dit shisturbers in the crew.


19 posted on 09/21/2007 10:09:06 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Rembrandt
This article is stupid to the point of being insulting.

The article is in the LA Times. If your IQ is greater than your shoe size, of course it's going to be insulting.

Mark

20 posted on 09/21/2007 10:10:15 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Mr Rogers; Califreak
Guess I’m odd.
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No. That’s called being young. Fatness was a sign of fertility and affluence less than 100 years ago. You are an ignorant baby by measure of human preferences over the ages. Only very recently has fatness become the pariah it is today. The California aberration has spread to mainstream America and from there into the world. I am a skinny, hairy, pasty, balding, white male by the way.

21 posted on 09/21/2007 10:12:27 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: jwalburg
Fifty percent of Americans are over the national median weight! Eek! Chicken McNuggets Little says the sky is falling!

Mmm.

22 posted on 09/21/2007 10:12:41 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: I see my hands

23 posted on 09/21/2007 10:14:10 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

actually race does play into weight a bit

diabetes, metabolism etc.

some tribes, races, ethnicities suffer more of certain gentic predipositions to illnesses

and have higher testosterone

birth canal diameters

cranium sizes

bone density

penis size...no I’m not kidding

vaginal canal length...more primitive...longer to protect baby

reflex muscle synapse

muscle distribution

eye placement and disorders

digestive anomalies

I could go on and on

when I was young, black women were heavier older....now lower class white women are too

as are Amerindian latino immigrants....in a very high percentage

some folks are less prone to weight gain....most Asians notably

you know...a Big Big Gulp can have 2000 calories minimum in one big cup

throw back 2-3 of those a day and 3 bags of Big Macs and you’re at 10,000 calories and with a sedentary couch meets bong pipe lifestyle you will have a belly apron in no time

the only real help is meth...lol..but you’ll need a good dentist

it’s not funny but man folks are so dang fat today....whoa...I bet your average 18 year old girl is 20 pounds heavier and one cup size larger than in my day


24 posted on 09/21/2007 10:15:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (if God is your co-pilot, you need to switch seats)
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To: jwalburg
fatness has become a symbol for poverty, downward mobility, nonwhiteness and socially marginal status in general.

Sounds like another excuse to blame someone else for your weight problems...

25 posted on 09/21/2007 10:15:32 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: mamelukesabre

“I am a skinny, hairy, pasty, balding, white male by the way.”

5’ 6” and 165 lbs. My name is Fat @ss Barbie! LOL!


26 posted on 09/21/2007 10:16:09 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: jwalburg
Paul Campos:
A packed house, drawn by his provocative take on a wide range of topics, attended his presentation of the 27th Annual Austin W. Scott, Jr. Lecture entitled "The Obesity Myth & The Lewinsky Scandal," which was based on his latest book project.
27 posted on 09/21/2007 10:20:26 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: JennysCool

Is that a racist statement?


28 posted on 09/21/2007 10:20:33 PM PDT by lainie
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To: ozzymandus

I don’t think it has as much to do with race as it does with culture.

White, American males seem to be entranced by the female body as pre-pubescent scrawny with large (enhanced) breasts. Not all but most. Witness most of the actresses, models and most Googled women.

Whereas men in other cultures love mature women, who have a bit of sag and extra flesh. Reubenesque, if you will. In many cultures and historically, a ‘fleshed out’ woman was a sign that the man was well off. He could afford to feed his family more than just enough to sustain life. He was rich if he had a plump wife. Have you ever seen the musical ‘Fiddler On The Roof’? In the song ‘If I Were A Rich Man’ there is a line that goes ‘I’d have my wife, my Golde, looking like a rich man’s wife, with a proper double chin’...

Most black men I know..and I know a lot, like their women to have a lot of curves. Black people, along with other ethinicities, have never regarded large women as gross or lazy, the things many white Americans do. Instead, they look at it as a ‘real woman’. Listen to the song ‘Baby Got Back’. He’s really putting white men down for not liking that booty.


29 posted on 09/21/2007 10:21:18 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: JillValentine

30 posted on 09/21/2007 10:23:05 PM PDT by FearlessFreep (How dare you break wind before me. Sorry, didn't realize it was your turn.)
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To: jwalburg

“The fundamental strategy of the war on fat is to universalize the attitudes of middle- and upper-class white American women toward weight, food, dieting and exercise. Such women are taught from a very early age to hate their bodies.”

“That must be it. If you want to diet and keep healthy, it’s got to be that you hate your body.”

I think of it less as hating one’s body and more of liking denial or even loving pain. Nothing is so instructive to the mind and body as running repetition 1/2 miles at race pace at age 53 years with a former heart condition failure and recent blood clot. But I’d rather be dead than a couch ‘tato. Interesting that more women than men run races these days.


31 posted on 09/21/2007 10:23:51 PM PDT by rector seal (Death is the absense of pleasure and of pain.)
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To: jwalburg

I guess tomorrow I will read another asinine theory of how whites destroy the lives of non-whites.

Also, these perceived “messages” are delivered by none other than liberal advertising and media sources.


32 posted on 09/21/2007 10:25:39 PM PDT by jblair (Air Force Brat)
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To: lainie

You know ... I’m so confused by now I don’t quite know! :-)


33 posted on 09/21/2007 10:30:22 PM PDT by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: wardaddy

Not really. Carbs are cheaper to buy and allow the body to readily store all the excess energy. Eating healthy means more proteins (which costs money).


34 posted on 09/21/2007 10:45:54 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: JillValentine

That is a great pic but, IMHO, not *nearly* as nice as the one on your page. :)


35 posted on 09/21/2007 10:47:34 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Triggerhippie

From one hippie to another pardner I can tell you this.

I live in one of the nation’s most comfortable zip codes....there are very few fat women.

I travel through poor areas and do some business near them and black or white, the women are fatter and there are at least 10 fold more proportionately.

I read somewhere where 70% of black women are obsese...not just caterpillar butt chunky but obese

now....it ain’t just race, it’s class ....no two way about it

well off soccer milfs ain’t gonna get fat if they can help it

and I stand by accusing Big Gulp as one culprit


36 posted on 09/21/2007 10:52:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (if God is your co-pilot, you need to switch seats)
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To: Triggerhippie

whoops ...I misread your post.

slap me please


37 posted on 09/21/2007 10:53:54 PM PDT by wardaddy (if God is your co-pilot, you need to switch seats)
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To: Triggerhippie

I’ll second that with all due respect!


38 posted on 09/21/2007 10:54:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (if God is your co-pilot, you need to switch seats)
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To: JillValentine
The author can kiss my skinny Latina butt.

Hey, now that's not fair! How come the libs get to have all the fun? ;-)

39 posted on 09/21/2007 11:08:33 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: jwalburg
Best diet yet:

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40 posted on 09/21/2007 11:12:42 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: jwalburg

No I didn’t read the article or the comments. Having said that what struck me most was how fat women used to be revered from Rubenesque to the South Pacific, where the fatter the better. It was indicative of wealth.

Now, being fat isn’t great, but being fat certainly didn’t start with American culture.


41 posted on 09/21/2007 11:17:56 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: jwalburg
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Conservatives are thin. Libs are fat.


42 posted on 09/21/2007 11:19:54 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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Fatness is a symbol of non-whiteness and poverty?

First there’s plenty of fat white people. Second, you’re not as poor as you think if you can afford to buy enough food to make yourself obese. You’re just wasting your income on excess food instead of wealth generation.


43 posted on 09/21/2007 11:19:59 PM PDT by TheThinker (Foreign campaign contributions should be criminal. This is not democracy at work.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Diet is pretty easy. Plenty of clean water, raw veggies, raw fruits, a few almonds, lean cuts of meat, salmon, tuna and sardines. Drop the grains. Add to this sufficient sleep and exercise. There. It did not cost you a penny, and you can now eat like you are rich.


44 posted on 09/21/2007 11:27:29 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Rembrandt

Anymore that’s pretty much what you get when you read papers like Pravda on the Pacific.

I can remember reading the paper when I was a kid. They didn’t treat adults like simpletons back then.


45 posted on 09/21/2007 11:34:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: hsalaw

“No, fatness is a symbol of low or no self-esteem, no motivation, and no self-control.”

Good god, the more I read FR on these topics the more I wonder what happened to the idea that conservatives were _less_ likely to adopt psychobabble bullsh*t.


46 posted on 09/21/2007 11:49:38 PM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: Triggerhippie
In the far east, people eat a VERY high carb diet and they are all extremely thin. Meat is used mainly as a seasoning on rice. Explain to me why that is? I’d say the american diet is more a problem of quantity, not quality as you would suggest. Also, activity level is a factor too. Just 30-40 years ago in this country people used to actually walk places.
47 posted on 09/22/2007 12:43:16 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: wardaddy

“...the women are fatter and there are at least 10 fold more...”
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No Way! You actually counted their folds? How’d you get away with that?


48 posted on 09/22/2007 12:49:26 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: jwalburg
"Fear and hatred of fat has very little to do with the health risks associated with being "overweight" and "obese" (which are wholly imaginary and highly exaggerated, respectively), and everything to do with the symbolic meanings that thin and fat bodies have in this culture."

Excuse me? How can "overweight" and "obese" be "wholly imaginary and highly exaggerated, respectively" ?

49 posted on 09/22/2007 3:44:28 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: jwalburg

My sampling of demographics around Atlanta would seem to support this. In our office, which ranges from execs to entry level, I don’t need one hand to count the in shape black women out of a population of about 120 total people. Seriously, it is 4. Number of black women total is about 30.


50 posted on 09/22/2007 4:28:48 AM PDT by doodad
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