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WMDs in Iraq
NorthShoreJournal ^ | 9/22/07

Posted on 09/23/2007 4:01:12 PM PDT by enough_idiocy

July 13-16: The 329th Chemical Platoon worked in conjunction with Marines from Multi-National Force-West and Soldiers from Multi-National Division-Center to secure approxomately 40,000 gallons of nitric acid that was found in a cache in Fallujah, Iraq, for disposal. The 329th Chemical Platoon is support reserve unit for Task Force Phantom, Multi-National Corps-Iraq. HQ is Winter Park, Florida. (U.S. Army/Spc. Fernando Gonzalez)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: demlies; falsealarm; iraq; iraw; nitricacidaintwmd; wmd; wmds; wot
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See pics of guys in hazmat uniforms carrying out the nonexistent WMDs.
1 posted on 09/23/2007 4:01:13 PM PDT by enough_idiocy
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To: enough_idiocy

There are NO WMD’s in Iraq. I know because John Kerry said so.


2 posted on 09/23/2007 4:04:59 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: enough_idiocy

Like the 1.77 metric tons of WMD material....

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/files/HE.pdf

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/07/53936299.shtml?Element_ID=53936299

Or the advanced Mig fighters that weren’t supposed to exist in Iraq....

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/foxbat.htm

http://images.google.com/images?q=foxbat+mig+iraq&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7HPIC&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi


3 posted on 09/23/2007 4:06:18 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: RasterMaster

bump


4 posted on 09/23/2007 4:11:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: RasterMaster

Or Sarin & Mustard gas that “doesn’t exist” in Iraq....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Nope...no WMDs in Iraq!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=10101&offer=&hidebodyad=true

http://bizzyblog.com/?p=760

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/santorum-wmd/

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213


5 posted on 09/23/2007 4:12:34 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: enough_idiocy

Big deal, can you believe what Britney like did last night OMFG?

(/sarc barely off)


6 posted on 09/23/2007 4:12:38 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: enough_idiocy
See pics of guys in hazmat uniforms carrying out the nonexistent WMDs.

I will never understand why Bush won't go to Iraq when these things are found and proclaim to the media that yes, there were indeed WMDs in Iraq, and here they are.

It was this lack of showmanship that allowed for the whole "Bush lied, people died" BS to become an accepted truth.

7 posted on 09/23/2007 4:15:18 PM PDT by pnh102
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To: Old Sarge
I’m with you. Who is going to win Dancing With The Stars? We HAVE to get our priorities in order here. No one cares about war, the troops, enemies at the gate. We have to get the beer and pizza, see the big game, watch Oprah, watch Larry King Live, check out the celb’s, wonder about whether Britney is preg again, where the freebies are coming from. Who has time for this freedom crap? /sarcasm still heavily on.
8 posted on 09/23/2007 4:15:22 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am sick & tired of all political parties. They fight over everything and do nothing for the USA)
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To: enough_idiocy

So what is the significance of a bunch of nitric acid in terms of WMD’s. I know a lot of conventional explosives are nitrogen based, but I’m wondering if Nitric acid is used to make nerve, blood or blister agents etc as well.


9 posted on 09/23/2007 4:19:14 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Strength and honor.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Yep, the March of the Celebretards takes precedence.
10 posted on 09/23/2007 4:20:10 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Busywhiskers

One of its uses is a component of rocket fuel.


11 posted on 09/23/2007 4:24:32 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: All

Nope...WMDs never moved to Syria with help of Russian “advisors”...

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200602%5CSPE20060202a.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463

http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

No Russian convoy was bombed as they were fleeing to Syria either....

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/06/sprj.irq.russian.convoy.attacked/index.html

http://english.people.com.cn/200304/07/eng20030407_114694.shtml


12 posted on 09/23/2007 4:26:05 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Busywhiskers

Liquid rocket engines.
As far as chemical warfare agents, I know of no common use for nitric acid.


13 posted on 09/23/2007 4:30:12 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: vetsvette
There are NO WMD’s in Iraq. I know because John Kerry said so.

And because George Bush has said so--facts be damned!
14 posted on 09/23/2007 4:30:25 PM PDT by governmentstillsucks (I think therefore I is. Where my Philosophizin' degree at?)
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To: RetiredArmy

So true


15 posted on 09/23/2007 4:33:29 PM PDT by BARLF (Who is Huma?)
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To: Busywhiskers
Nitric acid is a dual use precursor chemical. not necessarily a chemical weapon in and of itself - unless of course you get dunked in it or doused with it.
16 posted on 09/23/2007 4:33:44 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: enough_idiocy

bookmark


17 posted on 09/23/2007 4:35:25 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: enough_idiocy

18 posted on 09/23/2007 4:45:16 PM PDT by Gritty (Destroying a President is not much of a strategy to win a war, but it's all the Dems have-Wes Pruden)
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To: governmentstillsucks
“And because George Bush has said so—facts be damned!”

Of course, some of this is the President’s own fault. Early in the war when they started to find various caches of WMD’s the White House said that those weren’t the WMD’s they were talking about before the war. I expect that it was because they didn’t want to open up that discussion again, but it was still pretty dumb.

19 posted on 09/23/2007 4:48:21 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: enough_idiocy

Are you claiming nitric acid to be a weapon of mass destruction?

I mean it’s nice that this cache was found (nitric acid can be used to make IEDs), so that’s all good. But it’s not a WMD and the fact that terrorists in Iraq are using (and seemingly manufacturing) it in Iraq in 2007 has no relevance to what may or may not have been held by the Iraqi government in 2003. Claiming otherwise just invites opponents to make you look silly.


20 posted on 09/23/2007 4:50:53 PM PDT by UKTory
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To: UKTory

“Nitric acid is a dual use precursor chemical”


21 posted on 09/23/2007 4:59:38 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: Old Sarge

Big deal, can you believe what Britney like did last night OMFG?

Yes! Yes I did! She got arrested for hit and run and driving with an invalid license! Can you believe it!!!!!!!

Now, back to the dreary business of this thread. Sigh. ;^)


22 posted on 09/23/2007 5:03:16 PM PDT by saganite
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To: Busywhiskers

Nitric acid, mixed carefully with glycerin, makes nitroglycerin. I’m sure there are chemists on FR that can elaborate even further on the use of nitric acid in the creation of explosives.


23 posted on 09/23/2007 5:11:45 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Just because it isn’t a WMD yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t have the capability of becoming a WMD if scientists (like Saddam had plenty of) manipulate it enough. Also, there were those chemicals from Iraq they found at the UN. They were WMDs, weren’t they?


24 posted on 09/23/2007 5:23:40 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: vetsvette

or in Syria either...cough cough


25 posted on 09/23/2007 5:24:36 PM PDT by donnab
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To: enough_idiocy

There have been and always will be WMDs in Iraq!

We will keep finding them.


26 posted on 09/23/2007 5:33:02 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: UKTory

I suppose it depends on the defition used and how broadly you interpret it.

This definition is from US law, 18 U.S.C. Section 2332a and the referenced 18 USC 921:
(1) Any explosive, incendiary, poison gas, bomb, grenade, or rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces [113 g], missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce [7 g], or mine or device similar to the above. (2) Poison gas. (3) Any weapon involving a disease organism. (4) Any weapon that is designed to release radiation at a level dangerous to human life.

“Indictments and convictions for possession and use of WMD such as truck bombs, pipe bombs, shoe bombs, cactus needles coated with botulin toxin, etc. have been obtained under 18 USC 2332a.”

“The US FBI also considers conventional weapons (i.e. bombs) as WMD: ‘A weapon crosses the WMD threshold when the consequences of its release overwhelm local responders’”

The plain language of the phrase suggests it maybe shouldn’t be included since it perhaps can’t cause mass causalties, or can it?

“The sodium cyanide was found inside an ammunition canister, next to hydrochloric, nitric and acetic acids and formulas for making bombs. If acid were mixed with the sodium cyanide, an analysis showed, it would create a bomb powerful enough to kill everyone inside a 30,000-square-foot facility, investigators said.”

As in April 1915, with the first uses of chlorine gas on the Western Front in World War I, these explosions sowed widespread panic, underlining — as the bombers no doubt intended — the inability of the Americans to protect potential allies in al-Anbar Province, the heartland of the Sunni insurgency. (The recent discovery of stocks of chlorine and nitric acid in a Sunni neighborhood of west Baghdad will hardly assuage those fears.)
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/49871/

“Chemical weapons expert Gert G. Harigel considers only nuclear weapons true weapons of mass destruction, because ‘only nuclear weapons are completely indiscriminate by their explosive power, heat radiation and radioactivity, and only they should therefore be called a weapon of mass destruction’ He prefers to call chemical and biological weapons ‘weapons of terror’ when aimed against civilians and “weapons of intimidation” for soldiers.”

“Nitric acid can be used to make conventional explosives, but could have chemical weapon applications as well. ‘It’s an acid and causes chemical burns to the skin and burns the lungs and esophagus if it is inhaled,’”
http://nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2007/4/16/b99bcffa-b841-48dc-9e76-e5e1cedc9a29.html

You may be right about the timing though, but not necessarily.

Al Qa-Qa State Establishment
Other Names: Latifiyah Double Base Propellant Plant; Latifiyah SSM Equipment Production Facility, Al Qa-Qa Establishment Salah Al-Din Plant; Salah Al-Din Powder Factory, Khaled Plant, Al Qa-Qa Ammo and Explosives Plant
Location: Baghdad, Latifiyah, approximately 60km south of Baghdad
Subordinate to: Military Industrialization Commission
Primary Function: Production of double-base propellants, NITRIC ACID, explosives.
The site contained five main production sub-areas, including those for double-base propellants, explosives, and nitric acids as well as smaller facilities for warhead filling, isomer separation, engine static testing, storage, etc. The agreement to build the nitric acid plant was reached with a Yugoslav firm in 1974 but much of the equipment was bought from Germany.
http://nti.org/e_research/profiles/iraq/missile/2967_3018.html

January 2, 2003
A UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) chemical team travelled 280 kilometres (175 miles) northwest from Baghdad to inspect the Al-Hadar State Co., formerly known as Ash Sharqat Uranium Enrichment Facility, a chemical plant that produces nitric acid and ammonium nitrate
http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/030104inspectiraq.html

memo number 384 on 3/10/2002
1. Name of material: Nitric Acid. Unit: Liter. Quantity: 600. Origin: Iraqi.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637240/posts

see also post 23.

Based on the above, and this good counter-point: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10535.html, I think it depends on how you define WMDs.

“Nitric acid was monitored by the UNMOVIC and UNSCOM (particularly IRFNA) because it is an essential element of missile fuel (like the SCUD, NO DONG and GHAURI) restricted by the UN resolutions and a violation UN res 687 and others”

I think this sort of thing, “Acid truck bomb,” would case mass destruction.
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=2007-04-18&ID=186087&TINDEX=1

In sum, you’re a bit too quick to dismiss.


27 posted on 09/23/2007 5:34:35 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: Busywhiskers
So what is the significance of a bunch of nitric acid in terms of WMD’s. I know a lot of conventional explosives are nitrogen based, but I’m wondering if Nitric acid is used to make nerve, blood or blister agents etc as well.

HN03 is used for making Nitrogen Mustard gas..a very nasty blister agent which targets mucous membranes. Eyes, nose, throat, lungs, etc..

28 posted on 09/23/2007 5:40:27 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: pnh102
I will never understand why Bush won't go to Iraq when these things are found and proclaim to the media that yes, there were indeed WMDs in Iraq, and here they are.

I have heard it explained more than once on this forum that there were WMDs, but the administration was embarrassed that many WMDs were stolen out from under the noses of the military. Accordingly, the administration was content to take the bad wrap in exchange for no investigation on how our military managed to lose them all to scavengers and other opportunists ready to make a buck selling them on the black market.

29 posted on 09/23/2007 5:53:14 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: vetsvette
Of course, some of this is the President’s own fault. Early in the war when they started to find various caches of WMD’s the White House said that those weren’t the WMD’s they were talking about before the war. I expect that it was because they didn’t want to open up that discussion again, but it was still pretty dumb.

It was a very dumb move--and now, most of the media believes that there was never any evidence of WMD in Iraq. The fact of the matter is that we have found substantial evidence of WMD in Iraq. I'll give two examples, just to start off:

1) Polish military officials were able to buy chemical weapons warheads from so-called Iraqi insurgents, for about five-thousand dollars a piece in 2004, per the BBC ("Troops 'foil Iraq nerve gas bid,'"BBC News, July, 2004).

2) In 2004, we managed to seize 1.77 metric tons of highly enriched, weapons grade uranium from a facility in Iraq. ("US reveals nuclear operations," BBC News, 7 July, 2004.)

There are several other incidents, from around the same time--June to November of 2004--in which evidence of WMDs was found. Timing is a funny thing, especially during an election cycle.
30 posted on 09/23/2007 6:14:46 PM PDT by governmentstillsucks (Are there any American nationalists left?)
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To: governmentstillsucks
2) In 2004, we managed to seize 1.77 metric tons of highly enriched, weapons grade uranium from a facility in Iraq. ("US reveals nuclear operations," BBC News, 7 July, 2004.)

Should be, "US reveals Iraq nuclear operation".

31 posted on 09/23/2007 6:23:31 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: governmentstillsucks
2) In 2004, we managed to seize 1.77 metric tons of highly enriched, weapons grade uranium from a facility in Iraq. ("US reveals nuclear operations," BBC News, 7 July, 2004.)

It was low-enriched Uranium, not remotely "weapons-grade" that had been under IAEA seal, regularly inspected before the war, everbody was aware of it, and was left in Iraq with the permission of the IAEA and did not violate any UN sanctions.

The danger of that uranium would be pretty much limited to someone dropping some of it on your head from a window.

32 posted on 09/23/2007 6:27:55 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Doe Eyes
Should be, "US reveals Iraq nuclear operation".

Should be, but isn't. It seems no one ever bothered to read the Duelfer report, let alone Hans Brix's UNMOVIC report to the U.N. less than three months prior to the invasion of Iraq.
33 posted on 09/23/2007 6:28:05 PM PDT by governmentstillsucks (Are there any American nationalists left?)
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To: Strategerist
It was low-enriched Uranium, not remotely "weapons-grade" that had been under IAEA seal, regularly inspected before the war, everbody was aware of it, and was left in Iraq with the permission of the IAEA and did not violate any UN sanctions.

Good to know. What's the source on that?
34 posted on 09/23/2007 6:29:36 PM PDT by governmentstillsucks (Are there any American nationalists left?)
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To: Doe Eyes
No, the BBC article was about a US operation to remove it from Iraq. Like I said the uranium in question had been declared and monitored since GWI. It wasn't discovered by the US in any way, shape, or form.

The whole story has been unfortunately twisted in the repeating by people that desperately want the facts to be different.

35 posted on 09/23/2007 6:29:50 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: governmentstillsucks

This is from 2003.

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/MediaAdvisory/2003/ma_iraq_0606.shtml

IAEA Media Advisory 2003/0606 (16 June 2003)

IAEA Safeguards Inspectors begin inventory of nuclear material in Iraq

For full coverage, see the pages on IAEA and Iraq.

6 June 2003 — On 7 June 2003, a team of seven IAEA safeguards inspectors will begin taking an inventory and securing nuclear material at the nuclear material storage site at the Tuwaitha nuclear complex. The nuclear material - 1.8 tonnes of low enriched uranium and 500 tonnes of natural uranium - had been under IAEA seal since 1991. It was last visited by IAEA inspectors in February 2003.


36 posted on 09/23/2007 6:32:17 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
This is the original 2004 article:



Wednesday, 7 July, 2004, 04:39 GMT 05:39 UK

US reveals Iraq nuclear operation

The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. 'This operation was a major achievement,' said US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement.

He said it would keep 'potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists'.

Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed.

The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy Department's secret laboratories.

It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored temporarily at a Department of Energy facility.

The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation, which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty.

'Dirty bomb'?

The explosion of a so-called 'dirty bomb' in a city by a terrorist group is a major concern of Western intelligence agencies.

Rather than causing a nuclear explosion, a 'dirty bomb' would see radioactive material combined with a conventional explosive - probably causing widespread panic and requiring a large clean-up operation.

Uranium would not be suitable for fashioning such a device, though appropriate material may have been among the other unidentified 'sources'.

Mr Abraham added that the operation had also prevented the material falling into the hands 'of countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons'.

The 1,000 'sources' evacuated in the Iraqi operation included a 'huge range' of radioactive items used for medical purposes and industrial purposes, a spokesman for the Energy Department's National Nuclear Security Administration told AP news agency.

Bryan Wilkes said much of the material was 'in powdered form, which is easily dispersed.'

The IAEA has been among organisations which have warned that many countries have lost track of radioactive material."

37 posted on 09/23/2007 6:43:33 PM PDT by governmentstillsucks (Are there any American nationalists left?)
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To: Mogollon; enough_idiocy

Nitric acid is NOT a WMD.

Neither is chlorine, amonia, or sulfuric acid.

Don’t dilute the definition to suit your wishes.

There is a great difference between WMD and TIC (Toxic Industrial Chemicals) which maybe weaponized but are not WMD.


38 posted on 09/23/2007 6:49:09 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Strategerist
US Reveals Iraq Nuclear Operation

In any case, this is the BBC article dated July 7, 2004.

39 posted on 09/23/2007 6:51:27 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: roaddog727

Is it this type of acid that Saddam used to have his enemies dunked into or was that sulfuric acid?


40 posted on 09/23/2007 6:51:38 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: Hardastarboard

How about TNT (Trinitrotoluene)
barbra ann


41 posted on 09/23/2007 6:53:41 PM PDT by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: barb-tex

Just going fishing, I guess.


42 posted on 09/23/2007 6:58:04 PM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: enough_idiocy

WMD bump


43 posted on 09/23/2007 7:27:35 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: enough_idiocy

Oh that was just a baby milk plant...move along nothing to see here.


44 posted on 09/23/2007 7:52:28 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: pnh102
Just a guess …

I recall a few years ago, Condi Rice said something to the effect "forget France, ignore Germany, Help Russia" (I am remembering that poorly.)

I recall the GPS jamming towers in Iraq were provided by Russia (Rumsfield press briefing I think). There were also reports of Russians seen with the trucks carrying (alleged) WMD’s to Syria………

If the administration were to come out and say that this or that is Russia’s doing would make negotiations more difficult (any negotiations that would push them toward being a free country.)

In a nutshell, Russias hands are all over Iraq’s WMD’s, Bush doesn’t want to embarrass Russia for political reasons.
45 posted on 09/23/2007 7:58:38 PM PDT by Nick_123
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To: Nick_123

ping


46 posted on 09/23/2007 8:03:51 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: enough_idiocy
Before the 2003 War, Nitric Acid was one of the dual use chemicals that Iraq had bought in huge quantities. The UN inspectors were having a hard time keeping up with where it all was. We’re talking 100s of tones of high concentration Nitric Acid.

Today, plenty of the IEDs are made with dual use urea fertilizer and Nitric Acid. Nitric Acid is a strong oxidizer and corrosive — and one of the dual use materials that could be used to manufacturer chemical weapons.

47 posted on 09/23/2007 8:05:16 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: enough_idiocy

Iraq, WMD/s bookmark


48 posted on 09/24/2007 12:44:34 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

“Is it this type of acid that Saddam used to have his enemies dunked into or was that sulfuric acid?”

I don’t recall, but either one would truly ruin your day.


49 posted on 09/24/2007 2:48:05 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: vetsvette

Not to mention that John Kerry served in Vietnam!


50 posted on 09/24/2007 6:50:49 AM PDT by bandleader
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