Posted on 09/23/2007 10:53:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc. Neither are conservative. Neither are Republican. I would no more vote for the "Republican antiwar candidate" Ron Paul or the "Republican pro-choice candidate" Rudy Giuliani than I would the treasonous butcher Hillary Klintoon.
JMHO.
No need for humbleness.......you are spot on!!
Ron Paul is a leftist in the entire area of foreign policy and trade, not just war.
His policies of isolationism and protectionism are among the most dangerous in the entire presidential field.
Rut roh. Does this mean there’s going to be a purge of Paulistinians?
Rudy is our Hillary, Ron Paul is our Dennis Kucinich, Mitt is our John Edwards, John Cox is our Mike Gravel, and Fred is our new Ronald Reagan with a Southern accent...
Well, either the AMs do it, or we can wait for the men in white suits carrying butterfly nets.
LOL!
We still have a number of FReepers who believe that if we refuse to vote for Rudy........................
“Oh, you wan’t Hillary then”
Yes, if we refuse to vote for a liberal, it stands to reason we are for a doctrinaire socialist.....LOL!!
So let me get this straight.
Ron Paul = No vote.
Rudy Giuliani = No vote.
Hillary Clinton = No vote.
Gotcha, agreed.
Go Fred go!
In the primary, I would not vote for either.
In the general, if my choices are Hillary or Rudy, I will vote for Rudy. EVERY Republican is better than ANY Democrat in this election.
And let me add that, whatever your views on gun control, Giuliani’s use of the courts to punish a legally functioning industry is an abuse of the legal system.
It’s too bad Giuliani is not as zealous an advocate for conservative issues as he is for liberal issues.
I will not be voting for any constitution trampling liberal abortionist for president under any circumstances whatsoever. Party be damned.
I find Ron Paul's utter inability to acknowledge the seriousness and necessity of the war against Islamofascism incredibly disappointing, since otherwise it would be kinda nice to have someone with his other positions in the race as a serious contender -- it would spark some good debate. However, I cannot bring myself to support him.
Giuliani is so far off the mark I can't bring myself to write about him, much less support him.
I truly hope Fred Thompson mounts a successful challenge to the Giuliani juggernaut, since otherwise I don't hold much hope for the Republican ticket in 2008. I find Thompson's positions straightforward and comprehensible, and his style refreshing. I'm not a Fredhead (yet anyway), but so far he's looking the best of the litter.
“It’s too bad Giuliani is not as zealous an advocate for conservative issues as he is for liberal issues.”
Too bad is right.
Who is more hungry for power....Rudy or Hillary?
Too close to call.
Rudy is indeed a lot like Clinton, and in more fundamental respects than mere policy... he is capable, intelligent, and evil. Assuming the last is a given, I would prefer to do without the former two. Heck, I'll take Ron Paul over Rudy.
On the up-and-up, if Ron Paul winds up running as a third party, he's going to draw off an awful lot of the Democrat vote. Or, to be more accurate, he will draw off an awful lot of the formerly Republican vote. As far as that goes, I say he's a great candidate to have around. ;)
I feel the same way.
I sense that Thompson is a clear supporter of traditional Constitutional Federalism -- the only one other than maybe Paul. But that also means Thompson likely won't support use of the Federal government to advance social conservative causes at the Federal level. Overall (being a big fan of the Constitution as it was written) I tend to support that Federalist view -- I'd rather address legislation regarding personal and moral issues at the State (or even local) level whenever possible.
May I ask your position on that?
I've not spent much time in New York, so I don't know Rudy as well as I know Hillary, so she seems more power hungry to me. But what I know about Rudy makes me cringe. From the example I gave in my earlier comment, you can see I despise him for all the reasons Jim posted, plus for abusing the legal system to promote a liberal cause. Rudy's not the worst Republican ([sotto voce] Ron Paul), but he's certainly no conservative.
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