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Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, etc
Vanity | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/23/2007 10:53:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc. Neither are conservative. Neither are Republican. I would no more vote for the "Republican antiwar candidate" Ron Paul or the "Republican pro-choice candidate" Rudy Giuliani than I would the treasonous butcher Hillary Klintoon.

JMHO.


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KEYWORDS: elections; hillary; paul; paulrudybanned; rudy
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To: Jim Robinson
Ron Paul has attracted a primary opponent. Freepers that live in the TX 14 Congressional District, who wish to be represented by some Republican other than Ron Paul might wish to go to Chris Peden's website (http://chrispeden.org/). He still can use signatures on his candidacy petition.
101 posted on 09/24/2007 8:12:32 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: No Truce With Kings

Thank you. It’s good to know the way he is running his campaign may backfire. I’ll be sure to check Chris’ campaign out.


102 posted on 09/24/2007 8:16:53 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: No Truce With Kings

Good. I hope they put the old antiwar horse out to pasture. Long past time to term limit him. Our Founding Fathers never intended these guys to become long term professional rulers.


103 posted on 09/24/2007 8:18:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim, for laying the gauntlet down. I would rather see you come out with guns blazing instead of Paul supporters peering-over-the-shoulder and having reasonable posts pulled that they have done on past threads if they so much as utter the word neo-con.

And as promised, I won't support Paul or post his threads on your Forum.

(On knees like Ric Flair) - "Please don't zot me man, PLEASE! I've been a good FReeper the past week!"

104 posted on 09/24/2007 8:25:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
...and having reasonable posts pulled that they have done on past threads if they so much as utter the word neo-con.

***eye-roll***

105 posted on 09/24/2007 8:28:38 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Petronski

Are you sure you’re rolling your eyes Petronski? They’re embedded in your ass, you know.


106 posted on 09/24/2007 8:32:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If memory serves me correctly, Ric Flair was generally on his knees begging right before he pulled a dirty trick.. Or was that Hulk Hogan? I haven’t watched wrestling since I was about 10 so I may be mixed up.


107 posted on 09/24/2007 8:33:49 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

That’s all you got? It’s not even clever.


108 posted on 09/24/2007 8:36:50 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: mnehrling
Ric Flair was generally on his knees begging right before he pulled a dirty trick

Actually, it was Flair, but unlike Flair I'm not going to pull any tricks though. I think Jim made his point quite clearly and it's a point that I completely understand.

109 posted on 09/24/2007 8:38:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Petronski
That’s all you got? It’s not even clever.

Tough crowd tonight, tough crowd.

110 posted on 09/24/2007 8:40:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

They got all their laughter out making fun of me and my big mistake earlier.


111 posted on 09/24/2007 8:42:17 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain is our Biden, Huckabee our Bill Richardson,


112 posted on 09/24/2007 8:44:52 PM PDT by RatsDawg (Hsu out the Democrats in 2008!, Go Hsu-less vote GOP)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brownback our Dodd


113 posted on 09/24/2007 8:47:50 PM PDT by RatsDawg (Hsu out the Democrats in 2008!, Go Hsu-less vote GOP)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Free Republic supports the war against the Islamic jihadists 100%.”

Jim, I do as well. It’s pretty much the major point that I don’t agree with Dr. Paul on. I still would like to see Letters of Marque. But that’s just the pirate in me and I think blackwater could use the cash.

Anyway, thanks for this wonderful forum as always, God Bless!


114 posted on 09/24/2007 8:52:49 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (The Ron Paul FR entertainment has officially ended.)
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To: dayglored
The idea that different States can arbitrarily limit 2nd Amendment rights drives me up a freakin' wall. It's exactly wrong; precisely backwards.

Thanks for your common sense posts. I found myself arguing this point with someone here--their argument was that laws made and enforced by the states was all good "federalism." It seemed like a nightmare to me.

115 posted on 09/24/2007 9:03:47 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: CJ Wolf
I still would like to see Letters of Marque.

If the Fifty Million Dollar bounty on Osama' head isn't doing the trick, what would the Letters of Marque bring us?

116 posted on 09/24/2007 9:03:56 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: mnehrling

” If the Fifty Million Dollar bounty on Osama’ head isn’t doing the trick, what would the Letters of Marque bring us?”

I’d up it to 100 billion. The dollar ain’t what it used to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY


117 posted on 09/24/2007 9:16:06 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Jim Robinson

“Good. I hope they put the old antiwar horse out to pasture.”

I plan to do my best to see that happen. I helped sent John Bryant out to pasture in the 1990s (replaced with Pete Sessions and then Jeb Hensarling.) Peden seems cut from the same bolt of cloth as Sessions and Hensarling.

If anyone who lives in League City wants to sign Peden’s nomination petition, freepmail me. If you live elsewhere in the TX14 CD, go to Peden’s website to see how you can help.

(http://chrispeden.org/)


118 posted on 09/25/2007 4:43:40 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: mnehrling

HEY!

That sounds familiar...


119 posted on 09/25/2007 6:30:06 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc"

Anyone who votes for Rudy is voting to set conservatism back 30 years.

120 posted on 09/25/2007 6:49:02 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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To: carenot

LOL!


121 posted on 09/25/2007 11:16:58 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: RabidBartender

“Anyone who votes for Rudy is voting to set conservatism back 30 years.”

B U M P Rudy would decimate the conservative movement!

Rudy to the trash can !!

Good tagline too!


122 posted on 09/25/2007 11:23:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Jim Robinson

You must of hit a nerve, a half dozen leftwingnut/kook forums have reproduced this thread complete with links back to FR....(chuckle)


123 posted on 09/25/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye
"You must of hit a nerve, a half dozen leftwingnut/kook forums have reproduced this thread complete with links back to FR....(chuckle)"

If that is true, then I hope all of them get my message.

Anti-Iraq War Kooks Deserve The Hottest Fires In Hell


124 posted on 09/25/2007 2:21:24 PM PDT by lormand
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To: dayglored
“Do you really think any Democrats will vote for Paul because of his anti-war stance, in spite of the fact that everything else he stands for is diametrically opposed to the Democrats’ socialist agenda? Dems are stupid, I grant you that, but are they THAT stupid??? “

Yes, they are that stupid. Especially after several bags of free pot!

And RuPaul is all about free pot!

125 posted on 09/25/2007 3:23:40 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Jim Robinson
Not only is it unfortunate that Ron Paul has these weak positions on national defense, but also that he chooses to make these positions the focus of his campaign (I mean, his chances of securing the nomination were always nil, and, at best, his candidacy could have served to advertise conservative positions on taxes, spending, pro-life issues, RKBA, limited government, foreign aid, school vouchers, freedom of religious expression, national sovereignty, the United Nations, external public debt, deregulation, free (non-crony) trade...and in effect shame the leftists candidates). Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty. And the more his campaign advances, the more things he does and says that are, to put it mildly, disappointing.

Given that he sees fit to all but ignore all issues not related to Iraq and the WOT (including the "civil liberties" of terrorists) in his campaign, I'm loathe to associate myself in any way with Ron Paul. He fails to understand (or, at best, fails to understand the magnitude of the threat) that the federal government is not the only agent capable of denying Americans their lives and liberty.

What a waste.

126 posted on 09/25/2007 8:09:45 PM PDT by M203M4 (Giuliani/Clinton 2008 - no totalitarian left behind!)
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To: lormand

Its true, when FR was down for an hour yesterday I ‘looked around’.

I’m not sure which was more amusing, the sites ranting about FR in general, or the site where the hostess likes to claim she doesn’t like, or engage in, ‘forum wars’.

Her site in particular features weekly, sometimes daily ‘bash FR’ threads.


127 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:06 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: dayglored
I find Ron Paul's utter inability to acknowledge the seriousness and necessity of the war against Islamofascism incredibly disappointing, since otherwise it would be kinda nice to have someone with his other positions in the race as a serious contender -- it would spark some good debate. However, I cannot bring myself to support him.

You're exactly where I am on Paul. I'd like to see a lot of his stands on small Constitutional government given serious consideration and adopted by the Republican Party as a whole, but his views on our war on "terror" (translation: radical Islam's war on the West) are a total deal-breaker for me. I can't support a guy who is not only weak on the Islamic threat, but is accepting kudos and support from radical leftist anti-American organizations like the Pinkos, and also from kooks like Troofers.

Great post, JimRob.

}:-)4

128 posted on 09/26/2007 7:15:17 AM PDT by Moose4 (I will never forget. I will never forgive.)
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To: M203M4
Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty.

Mind if I steal this for my new tagline? It really does sum Paul up perfectly, and how I feel about him and his anti-war stand.

}:-)4

129 posted on 09/26/2007 7:20:51 AM PDT by Moose4 (Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty.)
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To: Moose4; M203M4
>> Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty.

> Mind if I steal this for my new tagline? It really does sum Paul up perfectly, and how I feel about him and his anti-war stand.

Reminds me of a line a business buddy used, whenever we faced a situation that was almost entirely favorable, but had one outstanding defect. He'd stand up and say, "Hey this is a great party, but who put the turd in the punchbowl?!?"

Same basic idea...

130 posted on 09/26/2007 9:58:46 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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bump


131 posted on 09/26/2007 12:57:51 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Petronski

I’m not a Ron Paul hater, but when something is funny it’s funny.

“The Paulbearer Moonbattery Factor for this Thread HAS BEEN ELEVATED to

BLACK CHERRY”

That is just laugh out loud funny.


132 posted on 09/26/2007 7:16:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: counterpunch
Ron Paul is a leftist in the entire area of foreign policy...

Yet he's the only GOP candidate whose foreign policy ideas are different than the Democratic candidates' foreign policy ideas (their hypocrisy notwithstanding), and identical to the foreign policy ideas of John Quincy Adams, Robert Taft, Richard Weaver, Russell Kirk, and James Madison. How, pray tell, does this make him a "leftist" in the area of foreign policy???

133 posted on 09/27/2007 8:13:58 AM PDT by agrandis (What kind of nation sends its women into combat?)
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To: Jim Robinson
the war against Islamofascism...

Jim, if there is a "war against Islamofascism" going on, can you tell me where it's raging? Can you tell me what the H*** our government is doing in the Balkans and Iraq, if they are supposedly waging war on Islamofascism? Can you explain their actions regarding immigration, and the unprecedented public praise of Islam, if there is a war on Islamofascism going on?

The only wars I see being waged with our blood and treasure, and at the expense of coutnless innocent civilians, is for pimps and drug traffickers, on behalf of radical Muslim groups (including Al Queda itself, in the case of the Balkans), and against our liberties (I guess if they hate us for our freedoms we'll just be less free so they won't hate us so much?), and FOR MULTICULTURAL FASCISM.

When they get done, where will there be a place safe on earth from the Multicultural Fascism of the NeoCons? Where can someone that is a true conservative raise his children, where he can teach them the truth about culture and history, and about what America was supposed to be, before Lincoln, Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, and Bush chipped away at it until there was nothing left but an ugly, godless empire?

Thanks for letting me post - and thanks for reading...

134 posted on 09/27/2007 8:25:13 AM PDT by agrandis (What kind of nation sends its women into combat?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sorry I am a little late to this party, but my attention was just directed to this thread. For the sake of clarity, what exactly are you saying? That advocacy of Ron Paul will not be tolerated? That right-wing anti-interventionism will not be allowed?

What is the limits of dissent you are willing to tolerate? Some clarification would be helpful. Thank you.

135 posted on 09/27/2007 8:27:30 AM PDT by Red Phillips
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To: rho
>> Agreed. One picky point: Rights are God-given; the government can only guarantee those rights, it cannot grant them, nor rescind them.

> Interesting. I suppose you would then support full rights for the suspects in Guantanamo, then? Or are they God-given only to American citizens? ... Oops, not even American citizens who are suspected terrorists.... Oops, not even American citizens who want to buy political ads within 30 days of an election, according to Fred Thompson. Guess the government can rescind them, which means the government allows you to have rights.

I'm just stating a basic premise of the U.S. Constitution (with basis also in the Declaration of Independence). The rights granted by God are to all people. The U.S. Constitution guarantees those rights (by way of the Bill of Rights, etc.) to law-abiding American citizens.

Obviously, law-breakers (terrorists, suspects in serious crimes) may forfeit some or all of their ability to exercise those rights, in that the government may not guarantee those rights to those individuals.

The key point is just that anything the government grants, it can also take away. So the Founders were quite clear that the role of government was not to grant the rights, but to guarantee those rights.

Different people may phrase this distinction differently, but the idea that rights are granted by God is fundamental to the American concept of freedom. "Endowed by their Creator with..." and so forth.

137 posted on 09/27/2007 9:33:29 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ron Paul is the "R" party's only hope of avoiding a Hitlery presidency in '08. She can't wait to make use of all those juicy new powers your boy Bush has handed to himself and future Presidents. And who do you think you're kidding that she is "anti-war", anyway?

It will be a shame if you squander your historic opportunity to support an actual patriot.

138 posted on 09/28/2007 8:10:23 AM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: Jim Robinson
Good. I hope they put the old antiwar horse out to pasture.

Yeah, the Republican leadership tried replacing him with a liberal Democrat before, kind of like they finally got rid of Bob Barr of Georgia - but there are some fine folks in that district in TX, and so far all neocon/liberal collusion to get rid of him has failed.

Thanks in part to homeschooling breaking the lock on our thinking through the government indoctrination camps, there are more young people rising up with an understanding of the ideas of our Founders, and a knowledge of the truth of history and current events, and when Ron Paul finally dies, or is finally destroyed by his enemies, more will replace him.

By the way, how can you say that the foreign policy of Ron Paul = the foreign policy of Hillary Clinton, when Clinton doesn't have a foreign policy other than give all power to the UN, stay in Iraq indefinitely but whine about it, and bomb Iran? What little policy is evident there is the exact opposite of Ron Paul's foreign policy, but awful close to the policy of the rest of the GOP candidates.

139 posted on 09/28/2007 10:52:01 AM PDT by agrandis (What kind of nation sends its women into combat?)
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