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NY REPUBLICANS WANT DRIVERS LICENSES FOR ILLEGALS
New York Post ^ | September 25, 2007 | Kenneth Lovett

Posted on 09/25/2007 5:33:31 AM PDT by publius1

GOP SPLIT ON GOV'S DRIVE RULE

September 25, 2007 -- ALBANY - The state's top Republican leadership unexpectedly split yesterday on the controversial move by Democratic Gov. Spitzer to allow the granting of driver's licenses to illegal aliens. State GOP Chairman Joseph Mondello ripped Spitzer for eliminating the requirement that people provide a Social Security number for a driver's license...

But Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno backed Spitzer, saying, "We have hundreds of thousands of aliens here, and I'm not sure it serves the public good to deprive them of their ability to go to school, to go to work, to do the kinds of things you have to do to lead a normal life."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; driverslicense; immigrantlist; newyork; spitzer
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It'd be one thing if this was Bloomberg in NYC -- he's a former lib-Republican gone independent; but Bruno is the once conservative leader of the State Senate.

There are 152,000 people who lost their licenses in New York because they couldn't verify their identities--because they didn't have social security numbers. They are almost certainly illegal, and also potential terrorists. They broke the law. Gov Spitzer is about to send them all a note saying they can reapply and get their licenses! This makes no sense to me.

There are many brighter people than me on FR -- can someone explain?

1 posted on 09/25/2007 5:33:33 AM PDT by publius1
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To: publius1

No I can’t explain - and this is not simply a local New York state issue. Once you have a valid driver’s license it opens doors across the country. Spitzer went after anyone and everyone on Wall Street yet now wants to give illegal aliens a de facto amnesty. And Republicans are going along!


2 posted on 09/25/2007 5:38:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: publius1

They believe that these illegals will become legal during the next administration so they are simply getting an early start in the legalization process.


3 posted on 09/25/2007 5:42:59 AM PDT by orinoco
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To: publius1

Bruno is nothing but a total scumbag pol who cares ONLY about getting reelected and not what’s right for the State and the Nation.


4 posted on 09/25/2007 5:43:35 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: publius1

And there are fools that want to nominate a RINO, gun-grabbing, pro-amnesty/sanctuary city, pro-abortion, former Mayor of New York City as the Republican standard-bearer next year!! What a Hobson’s Choice that would be! Two New York socialist/liberals to choose from! The CP-USA will be well pleased, I’m sure!


5 posted on 09/25/2007 5:44:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: publius1
can someone explain?

A hint: Jeff Flake has an ACU rating of 100.
6 posted on 09/25/2007 5:47:54 AM PDT by ruination
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To: publius1

And of course, we have NJ following along...

http://www.nj1015.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=7996&z=1
Efforts to Allow Illegal Aliens Driving Privileges May Be Gaining Momentum

As neighboring New York announces it will no longer require proof of citizenship to obtain a driver’s license, controversial legislation is being considered in Trenton that would allow undocumented residents to obtain a driver privilege card. Supporters say it makes sense to offer people who are driving now without licenses or insurance the proper documentation.

It’s a public safety issue, according to state Assemblyman Reed Gusciora (D-Mercer), a sponsor of the legislation.

“My focus is to make sure persons who utilize cars are in fact insured and have the skills necessary to drive,” said Gusciora. “The important thing here is to make sure people who are using our roads are adequately trained in driving.”

Opponents of the measure point to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Four of the hijackers were able to obtain driver’s licenses even though they were in the country illegally.

Gusciora responded that documentation is safe. “I think I’d rather have somebody registered in our state and have some information on them than not,” said Gusciora.


7 posted on 09/25/2007 5:50:35 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Cagey; Coleus; LonePalm; frithguild; Tired of Taxes

And NJ jumps on the band wagon

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1901803/posts?page=7#7


8 posted on 09/25/2007 5:51:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Bruno is nothing but a total scumbag pol

...for the benefit of non-NYers, this is quite accurate. Bruno is truly loathsome.

9 posted on 09/25/2007 5:51:55 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: spectre; truthkeeper; processing please hold; antceecee; navymom1; jaredt112; Edgerunner; ...

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This morning's list makes up for yesterday's few...

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Dangerous Diversity

Hillarycare cures illegal immigration crisis

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Infant slain by stray bullet is mourned (12 Angelenos show up to funeral)

Illegal Alien Charged in Death of Two Motorists

Student group seeks to get Post columnist sacked

Fewer migrants mean more benefits: Jobs open up to less-skilled Americans.

Giuliani's migrating position is in dispute

'Beaner's Coffee' goes PC to avoid Hispanic offense

Going Protectionist Over a Fantasy Highway [Reason libertarians on TranTexas Corridor]

NO LICENSES FOR ILLEGALS

Ex-border agents appeal convictions (Ramos and Compean)

Congress debate begins on North America Union

10 posted on 09/25/2007 6:05:22 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Calpernia
“My focus is to make sure persons who utilize cars are in fact insured and have the skills necessary to drive,” said Gusciora. “The important thing here is to make sure people who are using our roads are adequately trained in driving.”

And if the illegals FAIL the driving test and FAIL to get insurance, does anyone actually believe they won't drive anymore? This is all about getting the votes from these illegals. The tried and true method of liberal incrementalism is alive and well and succeeding. All you freakin morons from NY and NJ just keep on voting the crooked self serving bastards into office. It'll be funny to see you all standing around with a dumbfounded look on your pathetic faces as down the road you reap what you so happily sowed.

11 posted on 09/25/2007 6:06:04 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: publius1
“We have hundreds of thousands of aliens here, and I’m not sure it serves the public good to deprive them of their ability to go to school, to go to work, to do the kinds of things you have to do to lead a normal life.”

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Mr Bruno, It would serve the public good if they didn’t have to pay to provide a ‘normal’ life for illegal aliens.
Why did you cave, Spitzer got you on video toe tapping in the adjacent stall ??????????

12 posted on 09/25/2007 6:06:47 AM PDT by IrishMike (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it)
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To: publius1

“There are many brighter people than me on FR — can someone explain?”

- My own guess is that the back room boys in both Parties have become convinced that they cannot afford to lose the Hispanic vote to the immigration issue. If Hispanics ever decide to vote Democrat as a block on this issue then they, along with the already lost black vote, would ensure that no Republican gets elected to any office higher than dog catcher ever again.
The recent rebellion by the voter base against the proposed immigration reform only caused the back room boys to back off for a while until the issue dies down and they can try another tack.
Make no mistake - they will eventually get their way, most likely with the announcement of another blanket amnesty program within the next few years. By and large, both Parties will support amnesty because they fear or favor it’s Hispanic vote potential.


13 posted on 09/25/2007 6:06:48 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: publius1
NYS GOP is an acronymic oxymoron.

And just more reason why Upstate needs its own state.

14 posted on 09/25/2007 6:08:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

I don’t understand how giving them a license with no ID will help. Doesn’t one still need a Social Security number for insurance??


15 posted on 09/25/2007 6:11:39 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: publius1
They're New Yorkers. MOST, with a few exceptions, of NY Republicans are only conservative by comparison to leftist moonbats. That's how someone like Bloomie can get reelected.

Even when Ahmed al Illegal uses his taxi as a homocide bomb, some of them will defend giving drivers' licenses to illegals.

16 posted on 09/25/2007 6:13:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: publius1
Republicans acting like democrats will not win the day or a vote. Perhaps this republican Bruno is now working for and with the democrats like romney, julieannie, mclame, and as Fred on occasion?
17 posted on 09/25/2007 6:17:36 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: Calpernia
The license is id. I don’t know what the ins companies will do but I’m sure the State will come up with some law that will absolve them of any liability for insuring improperly documented illegals.

The scumbag pols will do ANYTHING to achieve their ends. WE don’t matter a damn to them, only their reelection matters.

18 posted on 09/25/2007 6:20:28 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Calpernia
Doesn’t one still need a Social Security number for insurance??

Insurance, what's that?

(/sarcasm)

20 posted on 09/25/2007 6:21:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Calpernia
Gusciora responded that documentation is safe. “I think I’d rather have somebody registered in our state and have some information on them than not,” said Gusciora.

They use fake documents you dumbass.

22 posted on 09/25/2007 6:26:14 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: publius1
I think that the official excuse is that if illegals have a driver's license, and have a car with license plates, then by law they also have to have insurance. This will allegedly protect innocent Americans from becoming victims of illegal's illegal car driving activity.......

...if that makes any sense.

23 posted on 09/25/2007 6:27:00 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: arbooz
For anyone who's curious...

NYS Township Map 2004

Note that the usual use of red and blue have been reversed at this link.

24 posted on 09/25/2007 6:29:04 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: B.O. Plenty

if only this were true, but it will not happen. illegal means being illegal and if an illegal can be illegal in more ways than one, most will take the illegal way. It is the way of the illegal, and their spawn. Most illegals want no part of being legal.


25 posted on 09/25/2007 6:29:37 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: arbooz

Agreed.


26 posted on 09/25/2007 6:33:03 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV

You mean if I got in my car and drove down to your fair country, I could get me a U.S. driver’s license?

Kewl!

I could use that doc up here to get tax refunds on my purchases.

Double kewl!


27 posted on 09/25/2007 6:40:57 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Canada the Great)
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To: CanaGuy

as more illegals are pushed out of the U.S., there will be more illegals to pay for in Canada. There goes your tax cut.


28 posted on 09/25/2007 6:42:55 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: publius1

“can someone explain?”

Yes. It’s harder to vote without a government issued photo ID.


29 posted on 09/25/2007 6:43:23 AM PDT by beavus (People are rational in the mundane. Irrationality is left for what matters most.)
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To: publius1

Why don’t the people of NY bring a suit or RICO act against the Gov and Congress for aiding and abetting the enemy?


30 posted on 09/25/2007 6:45:03 AM PDT by freekitty (/)
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To: publius1

Bruno is 80 years old and confronting senility. He’s like Rather and Barbara walters and so many 78+ year olds, they simply cannot retire and move on, they cannot confront old age.


31 posted on 09/25/2007 6:45:18 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Bruno is nothing but a total scumbag pol who cares ONLY about getting reelected

You are totally accurate.

32 posted on 09/25/2007 6:46:02 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: publius1

— can someone explain?


Yes, for the same reason you can enroll your kid in a public school with any kind of birth certificate and proof of place of residency at all: they want these people “in the system.”


33 posted on 09/25/2007 6:48:13 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Mexico grants the same privileges to an illegal in their country as well...../s
34 posted on 09/25/2007 6:50:10 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: freekitty
there should be petition drives underway to accomplish bringing a suit or RICO act against the Gov and Congress for aiding and abetting the enemy
35 posted on 09/25/2007 6:51:57 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: From One - Many

Basically they want to create a paper trail for them, which includes a photograph.


36 posted on 09/25/2007 6:54:23 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: publius1

Headline = Then they are NOT Republicans.


37 posted on 09/25/2007 6:54:35 AM PDT by NordP (No running or relenting. The problem will be dealt with. Decisively. Systematically. Permanently.)
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To: CanaGuy
Sure, you may as well do it. Take what you can get as long as the taking is there because it may all come to a stop soon, along with both countries.
38 posted on 09/25/2007 6:55:23 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: durasell

Paper trails are worthless, in most cases. A couple of Examples: Hillary and Bill. And the laws continue to be broken.


39 posted on 09/25/2007 6:58:10 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: publius1
I'm not sure it serves the public good to deprive them of their ability to go to school, to go to work, to do the kinds of things you have to do to lead a normal life.

We can't have unlicensed drivers driving car bombs. That would be unsafe.

40 posted on 09/25/2007 6:59:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Visualize the Clintons in jail.)
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To: publius1

My only explanation: Democrats have no integrity or respect for the Constitution AND Republicans have no balls.


41 posted on 09/25/2007 7:01:18 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: publius1
"We have hundreds of thousands of aliens here, and I'm not sure it serves the public good to deprive them of their ability....."

We have not deprived illegal aliens of anything at all.

They are in this country illegally----and as such, THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO ANYTHING AT ALL, JUST AS WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO ANYTHING IN THEIR COUNTRIES!!!!!

42 posted on 09/25/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by zerosix (<Native Sunflower>)
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To: From One - Many

Paper trails solve crimes. And, remember, since NYC is a union as well as a high skill level town, the negative economic impact of illegals is minimal.


43 posted on 09/25/2007 7:08:09 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Every time a crime is solved the victims become healthy and the dead come back to life.....Amazing how well those paper trails work...../s


44 posted on 09/25/2007 7:12:18 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: publius1

“We have hundreds of thousands of aliens here, and I’m not sure it serves the public good to deprive them of their ability to go to school, to go to work”

No one is depriving them of anything let them ride ride buses?


45 posted on 09/25/2007 7:17:42 AM PDT by Shots
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To: Shots

And who is going to pay for their insurance???


46 posted on 09/25/2007 7:32:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: publius1; All

“We have hundreds of thousands of aliens here, and I’m not sure it serves the public good to deprive them of their ability to go to school, to go to work, to do the kinds of things you have to do to lead a normal life.”

Let me get this straight “former GOP leader” Bruno: someone is not legally supposed to even be in this country, has broken the law to be here and is breaking the law now,

but THEY HAVE A RIGHT “to go to school, to go work, to do the kinds of things you have to do to lead a NORMAL life”????;

under whose definition of either logic or reason????????


47 posted on 09/25/2007 7:33:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: 1Old Pro

I propose - seperate NY City from Upstate NY. Make NY City a Federal City like DC. Let Upstate go free! Bruno and all other NY politicians only consider downstate, while upstate slowly turns into a 3rd world country.


48 posted on 09/25/2007 7:35:23 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

the democrats say Americans will / must do it.....The illegals’ dream. Come to America, Americans stupid, and Americans pay for everything because Americans’ politicians make them pay, and pay, and pay. Come illegals come!


49 posted on 09/25/2007 7:35:38 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: From One - Many

I agree. I would be the first one out.


50 posted on 09/25/2007 7:40:22 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.))
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