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Miller Beer Ad Agency Has Connections To MoveOn.Org
Beer (& More) In Food ^ | 9-26-2007 | Bob Skilnik

Posted on 09/26/2007 11:26:45 AM PDT by toddlintown

Miller Beer has a connection to MoveOn.org: Most of MoveOn’s commercials are made by experienced operatives at a left-wing advertising firm in Santa Monica, California.

The firm of Zimmerman & Markman occupies a small suite of offices in a four-story building a few blocks from the beach. Bill Zimmerman, the agency’s strategist, has a PhD in psychology and got his start in politics registering black voters in Mississippi in 1962. He worked with Jane Fonda on anti-Vietnam War mobilization and has played a role in drug decriminalization campaigns. Pacy Markman, the agency’s copywriter, had a long career in commercial advertising (he wrote the indelible slogan “Miller Lite: everything you always wanted in a beer, and less”)...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ads; beer; miller; moveon; moveonorg
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Miller products will never see the insides of my 3 beer-dedicated refrigerators.

First homos in San Fran, and now this.

1 posted on 09/26/2007 11:26:47 AM PDT by toddlintown
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2 posted on 09/26/2007 11:27:41 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: toddlintown

Their beer sucks anyways!


3 posted on 09/26/2007 11:28:43 AM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: toddlintown

Uh - it sounds like they just use the same advertising agency. So their ad agency has connections to moveon ... so what? I’m sure a few of the moveon wackos even drink Miller Beer ... and probably Coca Cola, too.

I don’t see the problem here.

H


4 posted on 09/26/2007 11:30:12 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: toddlintown

Miller Beer: Stall tapping good!


5 posted on 09/26/2007 11:30:40 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: toddlintown

Good for you. This blogger worked quickly in getting the info about the Miller Ad agency out.


6 posted on 09/26/2007 11:31:53 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Bommer
Their beer sucks anyways!

Apparently not as much as their constomers.

7 posted on 09/26/2007 11:31:57 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: toddlintown

a beer copywriter ,, now that’s a job for me. ;-)


8 posted on 09/26/2007 11:32:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: Bommer

I can’t live without my Miller High Life though!!!

In all seriousness, that’s the nastiest crap in the world.


9 posted on 09/26/2007 11:32:51 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: toddlintown
Miller trying to make money off attention seeking gays that even other gays don’t like. Low lifes.
10 posted on 09/26/2007 11:34:25 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: toddlintown

Well, p!ss and sh!t do go together...


11 posted on 09/26/2007 11:34:30 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: toddlintown

Craig: "I drink Miller, but I am not Gay!"

12 posted on 09/26/2007 11:34:42 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: toddlintown

So what? This is as much of a stretch as the libscum saying Fred litigated for terrorists because his firm took the Lybian bombers as clients. Too remote to matter.

(Hint: Ad agencies have lots of clients. Some of them might even disagree about some stuff.)


13 posted on 09/26/2007 11:35:36 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Bommer
"Their beer sucks anyways!"

Big time!

14 posted on 09/26/2007 11:35:47 AM PDT by lormand (Anti Iraq War Freepers should GTFO, permanently)
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To: toddlintown
I wish I drank Millers so I could switch.

More Coors Light...unless they're bad guys too.

15 posted on 09/26/2007 11:35:52 AM PDT by evad
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To: toddlintown
"Miller products will never see the insides of my 3 beer-dedicated refrigerators.",

Same here, but more for the fact that their product is swill than anything else.

16 posted on 09/26/2007 11:36:12 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: toddlintown

I stopped drinking Miller Beer in the 1970s. It tasted like nasty then.


17 posted on 09/26/2007 11:40:22 AM PDT by McGruff (If I can't have Cheney I guess Fred will have to do.)
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To: toddlintown
I am supposed to get angry at a company because they utilize the same ad agency as MoveOn?

How many other layers of connections should I sift through before I determine if a company is OK to do business with?

Should I boycott a company who once leased a space from a company that previously used an ad agency that employed a guy who voted democrat?

18 posted on 09/26/2007 11:40:51 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: pookie18

Ping


19 posted on 09/26/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: All

Zimmerman and Markman’s client list is the who’s who of leftist slim, go the their site and check out their client list.

http://www.zimark.com


20 posted on 09/26/2007 11:41:17 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got Towel?)
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To: evad
More Coors Light...unless they're bad guys too.

Nope. They are women.

21 posted on 09/26/2007 11:42:10 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: NormsRevenge

If Kurt Busch didn’t have enough problems already.....


22 posted on 09/26/2007 11:43:41 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: Grampa Dave

Bill Zimmerman, the agency’s strategist... worked with Jane Fonda on anti-Vietnam War mobilization and has played a role in drug decriminalization campaigns...


23 posted on 09/26/2007 11:44:08 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SouthTexas

bad juju for sure.. lol .. when it rains.. it pours.. that’s racin’ (well,, sort of)


24 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: toddlintown

“I like my beer cold… my TV loud… and my homosexuals flaming.” Homer Simpson.


25 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:13 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: McGruff
I stopped drinking Miller Beer in the 1970s. It tasted like nasty then.

That's really graphic when you follow it through to consumption. :)~

26 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:29 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Hemorrhage

Maybe because you’re kind of NEW here.....ANY ad agency or ANY company that does business with MOVEON.org is DIRTY.


27 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:45 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: toddlintown
Miller also has some brands under its tent you may not be aware belong to them including:

Peroni Nastro Azzurro
Pilsner Urquell
Sparks
Icehouse
Leinenkugel’s

28 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:46 AM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: toddlintown
Real Men drink Bourbon (someone said once).

I don't think Jack Daniels will be sponsoring any panty parties.

29 posted on 09/26/2007 11:46:38 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

That is quite a (Collectivist) list.


30 posted on 09/26/2007 11:48:21 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: piytar
(Hint: Ad agencies have lots of clients. Some of them might even disagree about some stuff.)

One of the good things about the private sector, what is left of it, is that the owners of a business can decide what kind of clients they wish to represent. Ethical practitioners can draw the line on gambling, alcohold, all kinds of client categories. Same with the ads they produce -- the owners and management have control over what is proposed or sold to the client.

It's not just about the money, except for people with no ethics.

31 posted on 09/26/2007 11:50:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( America: “...the most benign hegemon in history.” —Mark Steyn)
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To: mnehrling
Pilsner Urquell

Very fine (albeit somewhat inconsistent) beer. Good info.

32 posted on 09/26/2007 11:51:19 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: toddlintown

It fits their sissy beer image.


33 posted on 09/26/2007 11:51:54 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (Reunite Gondwanaland!)
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To: dead

Miller Lite in the loafers.


34 posted on 09/26/2007 11:52:09 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Hemorrhage
Uh - it sounds like they just use the same advertising agency. So their ad agency has connections to moveon ... so what? I’m sure a few of the moveon wackos even drink Miller Beer ... and probably Coca Cola, too. I don’t see the problem here.

If that is all there was to the connection, then agreed. Did you see the story about Miller supporting the Gay version of the Last Supper? I'm sure someone here can find that and provide a reference faster than I can, but I read it this morning on FR somewhere. The Miller Ad was at the bottom of the picture.

35 posted on 09/26/2007 11:55:09 AM PDT by halran
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To: freekitty
Miller Lite in the loafers.

We have a winner!

36 posted on 09/26/2007 11:55:48 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: toddlintown

Miller Beer also promotes the illegal immigration protests against Americans (Chicago, IL)


37 posted on 09/26/2007 11:57:18 AM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Suzy Quzy

>> Maybe because you’re kind of NEW here.....

No need to condescend, slick. I’ve been here since September of 1998 (under a different handle) ...

... which, if I’m not mistaken, is roughly SEVEN YEARS longer than you have. Generally speaking, I don’t appreciate being talked down to, newbie.

>> ANY ad agency or ANY company that does business with MOVEON.org is DIRTY.

OK - no argument here. However, I certainly wouldn’t make the leap that anyone that does business with an ad agency that does business with moveon is necessarily dirty. That seems like a HUGE logical leap. There is NO evidence that Miller was even aware that the agency did business with moveon ...

This connection is just too shaky to get into a tizzy about.

H


38 posted on 09/26/2007 11:58:36 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: toddlintown

Markman, himself openly gay, said Equality for All is way ahead of the other political coalitions his firm has worked with in the past.

The company has experience winning LGBT initiative fights and other issues at the ballot box, from Pacy Markman’s early efforts to defeat the homophobic Briggs initiative in 1978 to the firm’s leadership on Proposition 215, which legalized medical marijuana in California in 1996.

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Zimmerman & Markman is widely regarded in the progressive community for its highly creative political advertising

MoveOn accounts for roughly half the business of their seven-member company; the rest of their time is spent on various initiative campaigns. Their successes include passage ofOregon’s physician-assisted suicide law, Arizona’s campaign-finance overhaul and last year’s California measure hiking taxes on those making more than $1 million to expand mental health programs and help the homeless. Their list of clients, past and present, reads like the pages of a left-wing telephone directory: the American Civil Liberties Union, Greenpeace, the Hollywood Women’s Political Committee, People for the American Way. It seems that even the Democratic Party, with its fitful feints to the middle, is not entirely to their taste.

Zimmerman says. ‘’We’re progressives who support the Democratic Party because it’s the best vehicle for achieving the kind of political power that could get us to where we want to go.

Zimmerman has managed or been the lead media consultant in more than 75 ballot initiatives in 13 states. In 2003 and 2004, he served as campaign manager for the MoveOn.org Voter Fund, while Zimmerman & Markman created and produced most of the advertising the organization sponsored.

“Our firm has used highly emotional and memorable advertising to help pass some of the most controversial initiatives in the nation, including physician-assisted suicide twice in Oregon, medical marijuana in seven states, drug treatment instead of incarceration in California, state-funded political campaigns in Arizona, civil asset forfeiture reform in Oregon and Utah.”

“Pacy Markman and I work only for clients we personally support. We’re not rich, but we sleep well at night.”

“That the political pendulum will soon swing back away from right-wing Republicans and religious charlatans.


39 posted on 09/26/2007 12:00:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: halran

>> I’m sure someone here can find that and provide a reference faster than I can, but I read it this morning on FR somewhere. The Miller Ad was at the bottom of the picture.

I read it - it certainly wasn’t flattering to Miller. I do wonder if Miller knew of the content of the ad, or was just a sponsor of the event (i.e. perhaps they just provided beer sales to a bunch of gay freakos - certainly not a crime against Christianity - and unknowingly got their logo on a flier that they didn’t necessarily approve of).

Either way, I think we’d be making a HUGE leap to assume that concurrent users of an advertising agency have any actual connection whatsoever.

H


40 posted on 09/26/2007 12:03:08 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: mnehrling

“Miller also has some brands under its tent you may not be aware belong to them including:”

I’m a beer columnist, author, lecturer and consultant.
I’m very aware of the beer industry.

http://beerinfood.wordpress.com/about/


41 posted on 09/26/2007 12:06:41 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown

I don’t drink the stuff, it’s either Budd, the latest cheap stuff on sale, or home brewed beer.

But I’ll never allow anyone to bring it on my property again.
Call it fag beer. The rumor will spread.


42 posted on 09/26/2007 12:07:04 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Earthdweller

In defense of Miller, I think I have figured out why they want to market to homos. If you are a bar owner and run a straight bar your best nights are Friday and Saturday, maybe Sunday if you have a sporst following. If you run a gay bar, you never have a down day. Hanging in bars and hitting on each other is what gays do. They don’t have families to take care of. It is the life of Peter Pan - they never grow up. From the bar owners and Miller’s point of view gays are money. All that being said, Miller beer sucks (maybe why the queers like it). Sorry to hear they controll Pilsner Urquell, good beer.


43 posted on 09/26/2007 12:10:30 PM PDT by Jigajog
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To: toddlintown

Never again for me!


44 posted on 09/26/2007 12:11:06 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Hemorrhage

Miller’s been overtly courting the homo market for years.

In a 1988 Wall Street Journal article, a Miller spokesman begged off on the idea of the brewery concentrating heavily on the gay market. Miller is now, however, open in its marketing to gays. In a sense, old Frederick Miller’s brewery has come out of the closet, but initially tripped over the threshold when it did. As recently as 1999, the brewery ran into problems with this approach.

There was little question what group of beer drinkers Miller was targeting with its ad featuring a shirtless muscle man. The spot was supposed to air on a cable program in San Francisco and feature a “Barechest Men” calendar for sale, the proceeds going to a local AIDS-funding group. The combination of Miller sponsoring a photo calendar of beefy hunks and indirectly raising funds for AIDS victims was too much for some straights in the San Francisco community. After loads of protests by conservative groups, the thirty-second ad was pulled. A Miller spokesman tried to lay the idea for the commercial at the feet of a local advertising agency and not at the door of the brewery’s Milwaukee headquarters. The idea of courting gays while possibly disenfranchising the much larger market of straight beer drinkers made Miller back off from openly advertising gay-themed commercials and ads for the next few years, except in gay publications.

However, maybe in a reflection of political correctness (and an almost stagnant growth in beer sales), a Miller commercial from 2001 had two women sitting at a bar, obviously on the prowl for some man-meat. In the TV spot, one girl has the bartender send a beer over to a man sitting alone. As he starts to acknowledge the drink, the women spot a better looking man behind him and have the female bartender go back and grab the beer from the poor slob who was about to sip on the bottle. “Sorry chief!” she says as she pulls the bottle from his hand and passes it over to the girls’ newest interest. Seconds later, another hunk joins the single man who is enjoying his free beer. “Jackpot!” one of the girls says, but she almost falls off her stool when the two men hold hands. “Well,” one girl declares, “at least he’s not married.”

http://beerinfood.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/were-here-were-queer-and-now-were-drinking-beer/


45 posted on 09/26/2007 12:13:15 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: evad

The Coors family who owns Coors supports the 2nd Amendment: http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Mags/Key-Second-Amendment-Races-2004.htm (search for Coors). They are rock-solid on gun rights and most other conservative issues.

DRINK COORS!!!


46 posted on 09/26/2007 12:14:19 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Hemorrhage

I thought FR didn’t allow multiple nics...


47 posted on 09/26/2007 12:14:36 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Jigajog

That sounds like a pretty good market strategy but even gays don’t like the clown gays at this “fair” according to stealth sources on FR who live in the area.


48 posted on 09/26/2007 12:15:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Hemorrhage
"Either way, I think we’d be making a HUGE leap to assume that concurrent users of an advertising agency have any actual connection whatsoever. H

Well lets see, Miller supports gay orgy parades, they add their label to insults against Christians, support illegal aliens flooding across the border. I think the connection to Move-on is quite clear; The company is run by a leftist moonbat!.

49 posted on 09/26/2007 12:19:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Hemorrhage
I do wonder if Miller knew of the content of the ad, or was just a sponsor of the event (i.e. perhaps they just provided beer sales to a bunch of gay freakos - certainly not a crime against Christianity - and unknowingly got their logo on a flier that they didn’t necessarily approve of).

It is interesting that they were the only "normal" company listed at the bottom of the ad. It doesn't matter too much to me anyway since I don't drink Miller anything. If they want to sell to the gay boys, fine, but I think there is more of a connection.

50 posted on 09/26/2007 12:21:48 PM PDT by halran
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