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From March this year."Search" didn't find this.

I've read similar articles but this is the most clear. Why would you buy a car with an effective life of only 100K miles ? (100K miles is expected life of the battery, replacement cost in today's dollars about $8K I'm told).

1 posted on 09/30/2007 9:14:52 AM PDT by 1066AD
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The Toyota Prius is like all other leftist ideas — it makes them feel good about themselves, but does more harm than good.
2 posted on 09/30/2007 9:16:16 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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300,000 miles from a Hummer? I don’t mind a legitimate critique of the Prius but this seems stacked in the opposite direction.

Disclaimer: I wouldn’t buy a prius on a bet, neither would I drive a Hummer.


3 posted on 09/30/2007 9:20:10 AM PDT by saganite
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Must have been posted under a different title but I’ve seen it on FR as well as other places.

This article has been widely discounted.


4 posted on 09/30/2007 9:20:45 AM PDT by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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Ive said this from the beginning.

Anyone who has ever owned a cordless drill knows that the batteries are a problem.

BTW, I am told that you can overcome the problem of Battery “memory” by applying a high amount of amperage at the batteries rated voltage across its terminals of the defective battery.

This apparently will blow away the memory junction in the battery.

Caveat: “Kids... dont try this at home”


5 posted on 09/30/2007 9:22:33 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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I am not sure about the battery life and cost. Even if the battery life is understated and the cost is overstated, the romance with the Prius and hybrid technology is irrational.

Hybrid advocates (leftists and politicians) are ignoring price and economic analysis. The advocates have decided that hybrids are a winning technology worthy of large tax subsidies. Even with the large subsidies, the economic analysis does not make sense for most drivers. The subsidies are inhibiting other more promising ideas such as the low emissions diesel technologies from coming to market. At this time, the price and economic analysis indicate that hybrids are not the solution to energy and environment problems.

6 posted on 09/30/2007 9:25:48 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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> ... Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer ...

Even Rush has had to backtrack on this one.
The article is over the top. Nonetheless ...

Anyone looking for a high mileage vehicle needs to
consider the huckster hybrids with a wary eye.

What cost per mile do they get, the way you drive?

What is the cost per mile over the full useful life?

What hidden subsidies are inflating the claims?

Will you be able to ditch the used-up vehicle and
avoid hazmat fees for disposing of the batts?
(may be no problem today, but what about in 10 yrs)

We considered hybrids and bought a diesel (VW TDI).
Of course, the EPA and blue states have got things
so screwed up you can’t buy a new TDI here now.


8 posted on 09/30/2007 9:32:15 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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This article regurgitates a bunch of urban legends.

The 100k mile canard is handily refuted by many owners who have handily passed that mileage. In fact, the battery is warranted in California for 150k miles.

And $8k to replace the battery? That’s totally false.


9 posted on 09/30/2007 9:32:45 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Thompson 2008!])
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Excellent information, thank you.


10 posted on 09/30/2007 9:34:40 AM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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From March this year.”Search” didn’t find this.

???

Good to see this out there again, but don’t say “search” didn’t find it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1848688/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1800912/posts


12 posted on 09/30/2007 9:39:14 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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Go Hyundai!


15 posted on 09/30/2007 9:46:41 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Its Legit.


17 posted on 09/30/2007 9:55:10 AM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium to show the world how much they care. Unfortunately for them, their ultimate ‘green car’ is the source of some of the worst pollution in North America; it takes more combined energy per Prius to produce than a Hummer.



18 posted on 09/30/2007 9:59:51 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Pump bump.


21 posted on 09/30/2007 10:10:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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This is a bad comparison. The forces of the market have done the Hummer in. It is no more.

A better choice would be a Ford F450


22 posted on 09/30/2007 10:10:38 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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Now here is a cool idea...The Six stroke engine

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23 posted on 09/30/2007 10:18:56 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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This has dropped the Prius’s EPA down by 25 percent to an average of 45mpg. This now puts the Toyota within spitting distance of cars like the Chevy Aveo, which costs less then half what the Prius costs.

The Aveo's 2008 EPA score is 26mpg. 45 to 26 isn't spitting distance, it's very nearly double.

27 posted on 09/30/2007 10:45:17 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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I’m gonna give this article to a lefty at work that drives one.

Hee hee.


28 posted on 09/30/2007 10:46:13 AM PDT by sauropod (You canít spell crap without the AP in it.)
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Some things about this article do not seem right.

The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.

You can check this out on Google Earth. To me it looks like the article is incorrect.

The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles.

= $325,000 -- $25,000 for the car and $300,000 for gas?

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles.

= $585,000 -- overstated perhaps?

30 posted on 09/30/2007 10:54:27 AM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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I’m a little scared to send this article to my leftist sister in North Carolina. For starters, if she decides to sell the car, she’d have to carefully take off the “Obama for President” bumper sticker. LOL

But seriously... leftists don’t like to confuse their feelings with facts.


35 posted on 09/30/2007 11:34:44 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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Well it's like anything else with technological products. Over generations, the hybrid technology will continue to improve and it will eventually make good sense to buy one. But at the beginning, the early adopters are going to get hosed. Just like the people who paid over $1000 for the first CD players and $600 for the first iPod that only held a thousand songs.

I don't particularly mind people buying hybrids but there are a sub-set of them that get self-righteous about it and we need articles like this to humble them a little.

36 posted on 09/30/2007 11:45:25 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 57 days away from outliving Freddie Mercury)
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