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Fence cuts through to heart of river life
Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct. 1, 2007 | JAMES PINKERTON

Posted on 10/01/2007 8:35:48 AM PDT by vietvet67

ROMA — Noel Benavides stood on the banks of the Rio Grande, its clear water gurgling over sandstone slabs, and watched a butterfly wing into the small clearing.

A green jay glided down from arching trees overhead, disappearing into a tangle of thornbrush thicket that has grown undisturbed on this land since it came into his wife's family in the late 1700s. On this mile-long riverfront tract, Benavides has fished for alligator gar and crawfish, led his Boy Scout troop on weekend campouts and presided over countless family gatherings.

''This area has never been disturbed, and this is what they're going to bulldoze, this beautiful habitat," said Benavides, a 65-year-old merchant and city councilman. ''If we disturb this habitat, this ecosystem, it's never going to come back."

Benavides is deeply worried because the most recent map of a border fence proposed in South Texas shows the 16-foot-tall steel structure slicing across the length of his family's 150 acres of riverside property.

From Roma to Brownsville, the reality of a looming fence has set in among ranchers, farmers, conservationists, city officials and residents who live next to the river. Already, surveyors have been tracking down property owners, in some cases offering them $3,000 for permission to survey the land.

Reality sinks in A week ago, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers published the first detailed locations and maps of the initial phase of the fence in the Federal Register. The maps plotted 21 proposed sites along the South Texas border where nearly 70 miles of fencing are to be installed, largely along a network of existing government river levees. Bulldozers will begin clearing up to 508 acres of land for the fence beginning next spring, with construction finishing December 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; fence; immigrantlist; immigration

1 posted on 10/01/2007 8:35:50 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67

Wow! 70 whole miles???


2 posted on 10/01/2007 8:38:02 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: vietvet67

And of course, not a word about the environmental harm done by illegal crossers...


3 posted on 10/01/2007 8:40:50 AM PDT by linear (We must act now to conserve the Earth's precious supply of momentum!)
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To: vietvet67
Cry me a river.

In Penitas, a riverside community west of McAllen, Maria Cantu said human smugglers have parked their car in her driveway more than once as they waited for undocumented migrants to cross the river. Her home is behind the city's water treatment plant and 150 yards from the Rio Grande.

''So really, I'm for it," said Cantu, who recalled one smuggler who drove across her yard and toppled the back fence. ''The illegal immigration back here is bad."

4 posted on 10/01/2007 8:42:36 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: vietvet67
A green jay glided down from arching trees overhead, disappearing into a tangle of thornbrush thicket that has grown undisturbed on this land since ...

I stopped reading right there...
"*bleeping* green jay...?"
*barf* is too mild a comment.

Insanity is now the norm in many areas, it seems.

Since everybody owns public land, each nutjob can behave as if he runs his own little private "country". No matter what he smokes regularly, or what periods of lucidity he has between alcoholic oblivion...

5 posted on 10/01/2007 8:45:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: vietvet67

Cry me a river.


6 posted on 10/01/2007 8:59:12 AM PDT by Poundstone
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To: linear

I read & see pictures of the trash these Illegals leave..I wonder why Noel Benavides place is so pristine.


7 posted on 10/01/2007 9:06:47 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: vietvet67

Will the fence cut off their river access?

And the crystal clear water comment makes me laugh. they must be talking about a different river.


8 posted on 10/01/2007 9:13:17 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: vietvet67
Already, surveyors have been tracking down property owners, in some cases offering them $3,000 for permission to survey the land.

Wait a minute. If the government wants to build something and needs to survey an easement on your property, I kind of doubt that they need to ask your permission or pay you money to do so.

9 posted on 10/01/2007 9:13:40 AM PDT by RonF
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To: vietvet67

Will the fence cut off their river access?

And the crystal clear water comment makes me laugh. they must be talking about a different river.


10 posted on 10/01/2007 9:13:45 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Graycliff

Will the fence cut off their river access?


If’n it doesn’t then why build it?.......


11 posted on 10/01/2007 9:18:30 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: vietvet67

Benavides is deeply worried , so move to Mexico!


12 posted on 10/01/2007 9:23:11 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: vietvet67

Last I heard butterflies and green jays can fly higher than the often talked about but yet built fence.


13 posted on 10/01/2007 9:40:28 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: vietvet67
on the banks of the Rio Grande, its clear water gurgling over sandstone slabs

Huh? It might have been clear in the 1700's but today? Whoever wrote this had a few too many "little green butterflies."

14 posted on 10/01/2007 9:42:37 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: cweese
Wow! 70 whole miles???

Not even. The article said "nearly" 70 miles which at the rate this fence is being built could be .07 miles.

15 posted on 10/01/2007 9:42:52 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: vietvet67
Boo freakin' hoo for the butterflies. And a yawn for the turtles and blue jays and nightcrawlers and other poor little woodland critters.

Get over it.

16 posted on 10/01/2007 9:45:00 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


17 posted on 10/01/2007 9:51:45 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: mtbopfuyn

Good point!


18 posted on 10/01/2007 9:54:47 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: dalereed

Good advice.


19 posted on 10/01/2007 9:55:13 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: RonF

See how they do thing here in Georgia.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1899827/


20 posted on 10/01/2007 10:06:56 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: RonF

See how they do things here in Georgia.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1899827/


21 posted on 10/01/2007 10:07:37 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: vietvet67; pulaskibush; call meVeronica; AnimalLover; rineaux; Roamin53; genxer; time4good; ...

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


22 posted on 10/01/2007 10:11:13 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: RonF

That caught my eye too.

Something isn’t right there.


23 posted on 10/01/2007 10:23:16 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Oh no. The butterflies seem to be in grave danger.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1871061/posts
Border fence seen harming ocelots, butterflies


24 posted on 10/01/2007 10:24:33 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: AuntB

You may want to highlight this on the TownCrier:

>>>Already, surveyors have been tracking down property owners, in some cases offering them $3,000 for permission to survey the land.<<<


25 posted on 10/01/2007 10:26:50 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: RonF

If the government wants to build something and needs to survey an easement on your property, I kind of doubt that they need to ask your permission or pay you money to do so.


I’d hope they ask/seek permission, etc because until the eminent domain process is actually completed the property is still private and belongs to the individual.


26 posted on 10/01/2007 10:29:55 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: deport

Eminent domain is not surveying. Eminent domain isn’t even established until the surveying is done. And the surveying would be done regardless of whether eminent domain is even an issue.


27 posted on 10/01/2007 10:44:58 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

So what else is new?


28 posted on 10/01/2007 10:53:13 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: deport

I would say being paid $3,000 is very new.


29 posted on 10/01/2007 10:57:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Have you learned anything else that maybe new to you?


30 posted on 10/01/2007 11:00:03 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: vietvet67
"...on the banks of the Rio Grande, its clear water gurgling over sandstone slabs..."



LOL! if you can get passed the raw sewage from Nuevo Laredo and every other crap hole along the Mexican side of that river.
31 posted on 10/01/2007 11:13:19 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: deport
Why yes. Thank you for asking. I learned from this thread that pigs actually do fly.
32 posted on 10/01/2007 11:19:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

You are learning alll kinds of new things aren’t you?..


33 posted on 10/01/2007 11:23:28 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: deport

;)


34 posted on 10/01/2007 11:30:11 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: vietvet67
Let’s all vote on every social issue. For example:

We all vote on having or not having a fence. If you vote “for” the fence, you pay $5 to support our hospitals, schools, police, etc. If you vote “against”, you pay $1,000. Simple.

If you vote “for” government healthcare, you taxes go up 20%. If you vote “against”, 0%.

If you vote “against” drilling for oil, new refineries, or nuclear power, you pay $6/gallon of gas. If you vote “for”, you pay $1.

Choice, choice, choice. The left love choice. Let’s give them a choice on every issue.

35 posted on 10/01/2007 11:37:15 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Calpernia

take care..... Have to go do a little work....


36 posted on 10/01/2007 11:38:26 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: deport

Well if my ranch had river access and the Gov fenced me off it, I’d be a little more than pissed. Kinda like buying lake front or ocean front property and having the Gov put up a fence between you and it.


37 posted on 10/01/2007 1:45:03 PM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Graycliff

Well if my ranch had river access and the Gov fenced me off it, I’d be a little more than pissed.


I think that’s part of the howl from the locals or at least some. They will have water access for cattle, agriculture etc fenced. I guess it depends upon where the fence is run in relation to the river but at some point people and animals will be blocked in order to keep illegals from coming on in.


38 posted on 10/01/2007 4:31:00 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 105 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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