Global Warming?
Yep, lots of times:
Posted on 10/02/2007 1:50:53 AM PDT by neverdem
The Arctic ice cap shrank so much this summer that waves briefly lapped along two long-imagined Arctic shipping routes, the Northwest Passage over Canada and the Northern Sea Route over Russia.
Over all, the floating ice dwindled to an extent unparalleled in a century or more, by several estimates.
Now the six-month dark season has returned to the North Pole. In the deepening chill, new ice is already spreading over vast stretches of the Arctic Ocean. Astonished by the summer’s changes, scientists are studying the forces that exposed one million square miles of open water — six Californias — beyond the average since satellites started measurements in 1979.
At a recent gathering of sea-ice experts at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks, Hajo Eicken, a geophysicist, summarized it this way: “Our stock in trade seems to be going away.”
Scientists are also unnerved by the summer’s implications for the future, and their ability to predict it.
Complicating the picture, the striking Arctic change was as much a result of ice moving as melting, many say. A new study, led by Son Nghiem at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and appearing this week in Geophysical Research Letters, used satellites and buoys to show that winds since 2000 had pushed huge amounts of thick old ice out...
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Still, many of those scientists said they were becoming convinced that the system is heading toward a new, more watery state, and that human-caused global warming is playing a significant role.
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In essence, Arctic waters may be behaving more like those around Antarctica, where a broad fringe of sea ice builds each austral winter and nearly disappears in the summer. (Reflecting the different geography and dynamics at the two poles, there has been a slight increase in sea-ice area around Antarctica in recent decades.)
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Leftists have trouble with dynamical systems. Marx’s critique of capitalism was based on the assumption that it would always exist as it did in the early ‘wild’ ‘robber barron’ phase. They can’t understand that tax cuts increase revenue, while tax increases decrease revenue, because they assume that the economy is static. They never understand any example of the ‘law of unintended consequences’ because they assume if you change something, you change only what you change without disturbing the dynamics of the system: thus they deny that the court decision extending AFDC to unwed mothers with illegitimate children had anything to do with the rise in illegitimate births or the number of women raising children alone.
When they see change, they assume someone must be ‘doing something’ to cause it, and that the government can ‘do something’ to fix it, or cause more change it, depending on whether they like the change or not. There’s actually something ironic about their doctrinaire insistence on Darwinian evolution, seeing that they assume all other change is driven by intelligent actors (including climate change).
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As the man says it has piled up on Anarctica, where
the main parts are at record cold temps.Hundreds
of feet deep.It is as big as the continental US,
and 500 ft of snow/ice can accumulate all the water
(that the doomsayers said would be 47.54 inches
deep on wall street) that melted in the northern
hemispere very easy as long as it stays colder.
Said cold by the way if averaged in with the rest
of the world temps would actually show cooling,
overall, not warming.......We have a climate shift.
BY Anarctica being that large and that much colder,
we have the reason for no flooding.Ed
> Where is the sea level rise associated with all this melting ice?
When floating ice melts, the water level doesn’t change.
Didn’t you watch Mr. Wizard?
What about THIS?
There was a FR thread about this, but I couldn't locate it.
The topic attracted my attention, but when I saw that the source was the NY Times, I immediately lost interest. This is not a credible publication. Any items that derive from this source are suspect. I have the same reaction when I see a “news” item from the Tehran Times or Al Jazeera.
bmflr
In cold cash or frozen assets?
Holly mackerel! This story is 6 degrees of separation from Jefferson Davis, Democrat, Louisiana.
22 today in Fairbanks. This year’s shipping season through the Northwest Passage is about over. Any boats, barges, and ships still in the Northwest Passage need to radio for assistance so their crews can be picked up by helicopter or nuclear sub before they run out of food and have to resort to cannibalism or otherwise freeze to peoplesicles.
MAKE SURE THERES AN ICE FLOE FOR THE FRANKENGORE
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“I’m melting...melting...Oh, what a world.”
That movie was make-believe, also.
I never thought about that! I seen a story on one of the documentary channels about the recovery of that aircraft. The implication as a weather indicator never occurred to me.
Note also, though, that the sea is largely clear of ice. This strait is a problem, I would guess, due to the presence of the Severnaya Zemlya ( North Land ) - the chain of large islands above the strait. You can see the mini-icecaps on them through the clouds.
Thanks for the ping.
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