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Posted on 10/02/2007 12:26:24 PM PDT by SZonian
American Marines & Soldiers Returning from Iraq Denied Entry to Oakland Airport Terminal Committee Republican Leaders Request Investigation September 28, 2007
Washington, D.C. After learning that Oakland International Airport officials refused entry to the terminal to over 200 active duty American servicemen and women returning home from their tours in Iraq, Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Republican leaders requested a federal investigation of the incident and possible violation of federal law.
(Excerpt) Read more at republicans.transportation.house.gov ...
I hope that this will get more attention than it appears to have rec'd.
I iwsh I had gone to law school. There is a heap of whopping big civil rights lawsuits just waiting to be filed against Oakland and against the individual vile bastards responsible for this outrage...
FOX carried this “live” a bit ago on TV
I knew it. I searched for “soldiers” not Marines.
Should have known.
You can pull this if you want, I didn’t catch it as I searched for “soldiers” instead of Marines.
First time I’ve seen Republican congress requesting an investigation on FR.
“Oakland’ catches both posts, but no biggie - your article here updates w/ the news from Congress.
Welcome to Californistan. These communist rat bastards need to be lined up and whipped. Vietnam returning vets got the same treatment.
This story has been around for a few days, and the perps are making the usual list of excuses for their behavior toward the servicemen.
If so, it’s time to do something about it. It must be stopped...
I know where I would like the air force to test their next M.O.A.B., their choice; San Francisco or Oakland! Slimy little retards need to be waked up in a very rude way to get their attention.
I’m not sticking up for the TSA, but think, if US servicemen were exempt from the searches and other anomalies foisted upon the general public, what better way for a terrorist to sneak in some weapon or other bad stuff, dressed as a active duty service person? They do it in Israel, Iraq and wherever they can score some uniforms...........just a thought..........
I don’t disagree. There will always be a few who will try to sneak something through that is clearly contraband. As I understand the story, these men were cleared by TSA in Kuwait and again by TSA in Washington D.C. I don’t believe for a second that the TSA in Oakland had a “miscommunication.” What I left out in my prior comment is that it is the TSA in Oakland specifically that seems to target service members for harassment.
But always remember people, they love and support the troops and don’t you dare question their patriotism!
Heads should roll on this atrociousness behavior.
Huh? So, based on your comment, let’s deny entry of all Muslims from the Oakland airport and see if people have the same reaction as you in this post. Or, perhaps we should deny entry to all Hispanics due to the high level of gang violence in the Bay Area. Or, to all African Americans for the same reason. I’m not trying to say you believe those things should be done, but your comment smacks of this type of thinking, and it is wrong. Instead of denying entry or use of the airport, they could have soldiers go through the same security checks as everyone else - but that’s not their agenda I’d bet.
Sorry. That’s “atrocious behavior.”
Where’s the outrage from Senator Reid and Congress Critter Udall? Where’s the resolution of condemantion?
Same for me when I came back from Korea in 1993. Customs officer noticed me in line, and escorted me past everyone else with a smile and a handshake, took care of me personally, and sent me on my way.
Our country is going to hell in a handbasket. I am rendered speechless at the treason and traitorous behavior that is going by unchecked.
Don’t forget, we’re dealing with a civilian government entity here, (remember Tom Dashole’s “You can’t professionalize unless you Federalize”?), so communication amongst their own disparate entities is not exactly their strong suit, to begin with. One set of morons doesn’t know what the other set of morons is doing, and then, too these are SF-Oakland area morons, so they are probably doubly stupid.............
No surprise here. These are the same liberal hippy types who spat on Vietnam Vets decades ago. And the Democrat Party wonders why they don’t have any support among active duty military.
They are not exempt...
“According to one of the returning Marines, the military personnel on the flight had been previously screened by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), had gone through U.S. Customs, and had already deplaned and entered the terminal at JFK International Airport in New York. However, instead of being permitted to enter the Oakland terminal before the final leg of the flight home to Hawaii, the men and women in uniform were required to deplane onto a grass median between runways.”
I think you misread my post. I think this is an outrageous incident. I’m just pointing out that a singular person in a uniform is not necessarily a real serviceman, as we have seen happen in Iraq and Israel with stolen uniforms. They should have been sent thru just as anybody else and not segregated apart from any other passengers or groups. From what I’ve read, their whole plane was put out in the cargo area like so much baggage and freight, a real insult to these people.........
I know they are not exempt, but their treatment was wholly dishonorable, even if they hadn’t been checked previously. To be taken out like cattle in a pasture to be submitted to this is definitely wrong.......
Is this Pelosi’s district? If so, then this incident or incidents should be laid squarely at her feet for remedial action (or inaction), as the case may be, with attendant consequences.
I totally agree....it was disgraceful...to put it the nicest way I can. They had already been cleared. And the clearance and rules that they have to abide by makes our walk through security nothing.
So to be kept out of comfort ...is ...despicable.
For next time:
(1)The marines should choose a small delegation of around five.
(2)They should insist on entry to the terminal.
(3)When denied access, they should point out that they are going to enter the terminal.
(4)They understand that this will probably result in their arrest.
(5)They should state that they will be taking names and that any officer involved in their illegal activity will be named in the civil suit denying them their civil rights.
(6)JAG is on the phone.
(7)The people blocking the way have 15 minutes to stand down.
What, and the other passengers didn’t protest this treatment? Outrageous!
That's not what the initial email said. From that email:
When we inquired why they wouldn't allow us in the airport they gave us some lame excuse that we hadn't been screened by TSA. While true, the screening which we did have was much more thorough than any TSA search and was done by US Customs.
This has been posted many times here. All of the posts lack an explanation from airport officials for the reason this was done-—if it was done. I suspect this whole story because the basic elements have been absent from every account posted here at FR.
"I have also obtained the Port of Oaklands response about the incident to Captain David Epstein of the Reserve Officers Association. The Port official blames a lack of clear communication from the charter airline hired by the military. In other words: its the troops fault:"
Thank you so much for sharing with me the information you had regarding the incident at the airport. As you know sometimes the way things appear initially regarding an incident turn out to be different after looking into the details. We checked into this once you had called me and raised your public relations concern, so again thank you. Here is the background information I have about the incident as well as the procedures and policies that affected decision-making that day.
In the case of North American Airlines Flight #1777, a military charter flight that arrived at OAK on Thursday, September 27, aircraft parking and passenger service arrangements were coordinated and approved in advance between the ground handling company and Airside Operations. The airport received information that the passengers were not TSA-screened at their originating airport and that weapons were on-board the aircraft. Together with our security partners, the airport made a decision to park this aircraft at a remote location on the tarmac. It is the responsibility of the charter airline that its operation is compliant with TSA screening requirements.
Upon landing and parking at OAK, the pilot-in-command advised the ground handling company that the parking and passenger handling provisions did not meet expectations. Upon learning this, Airside Operations and Aviation Security worked with the ground handling company and other law enforcement partners to coordinate a plan that was satisfactory to the pilot and passengers, and which was compliant with all airport safety and security standards.
Oakland International Airport (OAK) makes customer service a priority for all its passengers, whether they are traveling on commercial, military or general aviation aircraft. Charter airlines operating at OAK can choose to contract with a number of ground handling companies. Ground handlers coordinate flight services such as passenger handling, and aircraft fueling, cleaning and catering. It is the responsibility of ground handling companies to communicate aircraft and passenger operational needs to OAKs Airside Operations Office in advance so that special accommodations can be coordinated to ensure that all airport operational, safety and security concerns are addressed.
The scheduled arrival and departure time of the flight is set by the aircraft operator. Time is needed to refuel the aircraft, perform maintenance inspections, refresh the catering, and give passengers time to stretch to break-up long travel periods. An analysis of the incident and prior correspondence between OAKs Airside Operations and the ground handler determined that the airport did not receive clear communication in advance from the charter airline that was hired by the military.
I am out of town starting tomorrow for a convention. If you have any further inquiries about this incident and the way it was handled, Rosemary Barnes who is part of our Public Affairs team would be happy to speak with you. You may also call Joanne Holloway, the acting manager of the Ports Community and Customer Relations Department.
Port of Oakland
Thanks. I had read most, but apparently not all, of the posts and until now had not seen the airport’s response.
Every Freeper should send a protest email to the Oakland International Airport to Joanne Holloway firstname.lastname@example.org.
After hearing about the unforgivable treatment of our fighting soldiers, I sent the following email.
What idiot believes the Ameican troops which have fought in
Iraq are a security risk? Isolating them from the general concourse,holding them in an area with no restroom facilities, no food or even chairs because the have not been security cleared is disgraceful. Their service in combat is all the clearence they need. The person responsible for this recent poor treatment of our fighting men and women should be FIRED! This kind of poor judgement in a public official must not be rewarded by continued employment.
Here is the pathetic response from Joanne Holloway
First of all, we at Oakland International, including all management,
staff and volunteers, proudly serve and support our nation*s military
service men, women, and their families and friends. They are always
treated with the highest level of respect and we go out of our way to
ensure that their travel experience through our airport is in line with
our very high customer service standards.
Oakland International Airport has had a long history of working with
the military. Oakland was the Bay Area*s airport launch point during
the Vietnam conflict for military transport aircraft. Also, Port of
Oakland leadership has had a strong military background, with three past
Port Executive Directors who held various positions in the U.S.
We are extremely sorry that we inconvenienced some of our service men,
women and their families and friends during their brief stay here in
Oakland last week. We also want to acknowledge the hurt feelings of many
in our community, both locally and nationally, as a result of this
If you would like information on the actual events, please see the
Oakland International Airport website’s home page for our official
Oakland International Airport
TSA Statement on Incident Involving U.S. Troops at Oakland International Airport
On Thursday, September 27, 2007 North American Airlines flight #1777 carrying soldiers and marines landed at Oakland International Airport from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) where passengers were screened by U.S. Customs upon landing from overseas.
At no time were service men and women prohibited from entering the sterile area of Oakland International Airport by TSA personnel or regulations. Airport officials, the airline and ground handling company coordinated the arrival and all services associated with this flight, including refueling, refreshing supplies on the aircraft, maintenance checks and all passenger services.
TSA personnel across the country have worked closely with airports to ensure the utmost care when handling flights involving our troops and will continue to facilitate their movement to the greatest extent possible while ensuring a high level of security for all travelers.
Am I misreading this? It appears they are saying there was no problem and that the soldiers could enter Oakland terminal at any time? Yet they had not been passes thru TSA. Which is easily accomplished after landing, and, the guns were never back in their possession but onboard the aircraft, which was being refuelled. So, how did they get from the De-Plane location, 400 yards from the terminal to the the entry into the Oakland Terminal, this was not covered, nor IF they went inside. Lots of unanswered questions.
To further clarify this apparent misunderstanding, I sent this query to the Airport, Jholloway
I am sure you know by now, that this is all over the country, and in every newspaper and all over the internet.
Your statement is that the Soldiers were NEVER prevented from entering the Oakland terminal, is that true?
You stated previously that they were:
1. De-planed 400 yards from the terminal.
2. Had not been TSA screened.
How did they get to the terminal, if in fact they did go to the terminal.
What provision was made for on site TSA screening.
What transportation or method of conveyance was made for the soldiers to the terminal.
If in fact there was no problem, why was the letter of complaint sent in the first place.
The author contends that they were denied access to Oakland Terminal
This is being posted online and I await your response.
You can view this thread at this link.
This is a serious problem. This summer I was returning home from Active duty and I was held (along with the 4 other officers I was traveling with) in the terminal after our checked bags tested positive for gunpowder residue (thats what happens when you have a sea bag with boots in them).
I had a valid Active duty ID, orders, and was fully cooperative. I was held so long that I missed my flight, and all other connecting flights back home. I finally made it back by catching standby flights for the ensuing 18 hours.
This is not a rare problem, I know several people who have had the same issue. We have written our governors and congressmen. I have yet to receive a response.
I didn’t mind the delay as long as I got home—but a major problem that I have with this is that security makes you a visibility when you are detained. We are ordered specifically not to travel in uniform to avoid being targeted. When TSA has a problem, and detains a person, forcing them to show ID, etc, and a scene is made, I believe this threatens our ability to travel safely and to intervene in a situation if we are required to do so.