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Thompson to Dobson (take a hike)
NRO ^ | 10/4/2007 | Byron York

Posted on 10/04/2007 5:25:13 AM PDT by Neville72

It hasn't gotten much comment yet, but in his interview on Fox last night, Fred Thompson rather emphatically told Focus on the Family chief James Dobson to take a hike. Host Sean Hannity asked Thompson about Dobson, who has attacked Thompson and made it clear he would not support a Thompson candidacy. "Don't read too much into the Dobson thing," Thompson told Hannity, continuing:

A gentleman who has never met me, who has never talked to me, I've never talked to him on the phone. I did have one of his aides call me up and kind of apologize, the first time he attacked me and said I wasn't a Christian…

I don't know the gentleman. I do know that I have a lot of people who are of strong faith and are involved in the same organizations that he is in, that I've met with, Jeri and I both have met with, and I like to think that we have some strong friendships and support there…

Hannity then asked: "Would you want to have a conversation with Dr. Dobson? Do you think that might help?"

I have no idea. I don't particularly care to have a conversation with him. If he wants to call up and apologize again, that's ok with me. But I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune.


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KEYWORDS: byronyork; christianvote; dobson; electionpresident; fredthompson; jamesdobson
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To: Petronski

exactly. if Dr. Dobson wanted this to go away, he could make it happen. he is allowing his questioning of Fred Thompson’s faith to stand, by not addressing it further. and the flirting with Gingrich and/or the Constitution party added to the mix, makes it even more questionable.


301 posted on 10/04/2007 10:01:13 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
You're a good friend.

I value your questions and concerns...
..and your gracious response.

Indeed, a long way to go....

..later....that nap is really calling to me :))

302 posted on 10/04/2007 10:01:52 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere
Why is Thompson going out of his way to disenfranchise/or disconnect from Christians, especially knowing Dobson reaches millions of listeners daily.

Blowing Dobson off isn't the same as disenfranchising or disconnecting from Christians. Thompson hasn't said or done one single anti-Christian thing, AFAIK. He simply has an issue with Dobson.

303 posted on 10/04/2007 10:03:47 AM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: Theo

Theo, you’ve been refuted in post #78. It’s time for an acknowledgement.


304 posted on 10/04/2007 10:04:38 AM PDT by Chunga (Conservatives Don't Let Democrats Win Elections. They Vote Republican.)
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To: Theo
I hope you are not hanging your redemption on going to church, it takes a lot more than that. I believe it is more what is in your heart than where you are in a building. As a neighbor of mine once said, some of the biggest crooks and siners are there every time the church doors open and dose not seem to be doing them any good. We always called them hypocrites
305 posted on 10/04/2007 10:05:53 AM PDT by lolhelp
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To: Tarpon
Well he seems to be trying to order candidates to assume his viewpoint or else.

Yes, or else he won't support them. We all do the same thing.

306 posted on 10/04/2007 10:07:33 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Beelzebubba

I would vote for Fred, but would have to hold my nose if it came to Rudy.


307 posted on 10/04/2007 10:11:42 AM PDT by fweingart (Tom Tancredo Will Get The Job Done! (How is Mumia Abu-Jamal these days?))
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To: Theo

your link proved to be interesting.

http://www.focusaction.org/press/A000000236.cfm

Lets take a look...
“Dr. Dobson told Mr. Gilgoff he had never met Sen. Thompson and wasn’t certain that his understanding of the former senator’s religious convictions was accurate.”
That makes me ask what his understanding was. I think it was that assertion that questioned the veracity of Thompsons Christianity.

It was this paragraph that I find even more interesting.
(To those that say Thompson didnt reach out to Dobson)

“It may be of interest to know that Dr. Dobson received a cordial e-mail this morning from Fred Thompson. The former senator said that he was surprised initially upon reading the article by Dan Gilgoff, but then concluded that Dr. Dobson’s remarks had been grossly misrepresented. He urged Dr. Dobson to dismiss the matter and added that he intended doing the same.”

That leads me to a question of ...did Dobson reply if there was such an email?
And why then the recent published Dobson email about Thompson?

To me it doesnt matter. What Dobson thinks wont affect who I vote for.
To some here though apparently it does.


308 posted on 10/04/2007 10:13:42 AM PDT by donnab (Saving liberal brains...one moron at a time.)
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To: Theo

Thank you for that link. In light of the phony controversy over what Rush Limbaugh said (or didn’t say) about phony soldiers, we must be extremely careful, and make ABSOLUTELY sure we have the facts before we condemn what someone says.


309 posted on 10/04/2007 10:15:57 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Cymbaline

Ditto!


310 posted on 10/04/2007 10:16:58 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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To: donnab; Guenevere

Guenny, please read donnab’s post here about Fred emailing Dr. Dobson.


311 posted on 10/04/2007 10:26:46 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: MEGoody
Get a grip!

Read the links of Focus' disclaimer to a liberal presses characterizations of what he said! Exactly what they did to Rush...duh

Proverbs 10:21

The lips of the righteous feed many,But fools die for lack of understanding.

Why are you ignorantly supporting the main stream demons?

312 posted on 10/04/2007 10:34:47 AM PDT by Right_Rev (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: MEGoody
Whoops, I took the italics as yours

My Bad...

313 posted on 10/04/2007 10:37:38 AM PDT by Right_Rev (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Right_Rev
Time to take a shower and cool off!
314 posted on 10/04/2007 10:41:22 AM PDT by Right_Rev (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Neville72
I wish Fred were a better Christian. But frankly, I still prefer him to any of the Rudy McRomney weak sisters.

Of course, Duncan Hunter is still my man...
315 posted on 10/04/2007 10:42:26 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Third parties have only ever split the votes of whatever party they spring from.

The republicans were a third party when they formed and did not win the presidency the first time around. They gained ascendancy over a period of years by actively winning over converts to their side regardless of whether it was a presidential election year or not. They had a hotbutton issue to do that with — slavery. They spent even the off years bringing people into the party by actively pursuing and keeping their key issues in front of the public and selling them. These days 3rd parties only actively do anything in a presidential election year which is too little too late. A third party split from the GOP would be the hildebeeste’s fondest dream.


316 posted on 10/04/2007 10:50:40 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Theo

If you’re a Christian, then you are (to use Jesus’ words) “born again.” If you are not “born again,” then you are not a Christian
________

You know darn well that the term ‘born again’ means a lot more than what you posit above.


317 posted on 10/04/2007 10:53:24 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Petronski

http://www.focusaction.org/press/A000000236.cfm


318 posted on 10/04/2007 11:01:21 AM PDT by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Antoninus

“I wish Fred were a better Christian. But frankly, I still prefer him to any of the Rudy McRomney weak sisters.

Of course, Duncan Hunter is still my man...”

***

Good for you.

My late mother, a devout Catholic, always voted for the candidates endorsed by the local Catholic diocese. Every election, the local Catholic paper would publish a list of approved candidates, and Mom would dutifully take that list with her to the polls and vote the way the church said she should.

I’m not knocking the notion that one should elect the candidate with fine moral character. Trouble is that (a) you would be hard pressed to find one nowadays; and (b) even if he demonstrated good Christian values, he might do something else such as raise your taxes, pull our troops out of Iraq, or get behind some bloated government program like that SCHIP thing the President vetoed. He might be a good Christian technically, but by the time he and his colleagues are done spending your hard earned tax dollars or putting our country at risk of attack by godless terrorists, you and your family will be in ruins.


319 posted on 10/04/2007 11:02:58 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Guenevere

He doesn’t tell them what to do, but we revere, respect and support him across the board.
_________

How far does “support him across the board” go? Would you not vote for someone Dobson disapproves of for the simple reason that Dobson does not approve? Not calling you out, just asking?


320 posted on 10/04/2007 11:09:24 AM PDT by dmz
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To: steve-b

Oh, that is so dumb. And then tell me you’re one of those tut-tutting at the idiot MSM for comparing Christians to terrorists. Dobson’s like a bloodthirsty ayatollah? Get a reality check, dude.

I shouldn’t have to say this to a FReeper: Stop getting your stuff third-hand. Find me where Dobson has EVER spoken for God.

Good grief, I’d expect this crap at DU. Not here. Sad.


321 posted on 10/04/2007 11:10:06 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Antoninus

I wish Fred were a better Christian.
____________

So you have first hand knowledge of Fred’s Christian shortcomings? Please share what they are and how you come to know them.


322 posted on 10/04/2007 11:13:56 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

I was wondering the same thing. What makes Fred less of a Christian.
Frankly I think this is ridiculous that people are sitting in judgement.
It really doesnt make the matter any better or promote any cause.


323 posted on 10/04/2007 11:16:01 AM PDT by donnab (Saving liberal brains...one moron at a time.)
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To: Afronaut

That’s a clarification, within which it is acknowledged that the quote is accurate. You’ve proven my point.


324 posted on 10/04/2007 11:20:12 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: RockinRight

Amen brother!


325 posted on 10/04/2007 11:46:08 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: RockinRight

Dayum, you’re good!


326 posted on 10/04/2007 11:49:07 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: BibChr
Dan, it's getting rough and I expect it will get worse, sad to say.

You've read a good sampling of opinions on this one thread alone

......and most of them are only parotting half-truths, untruths or innuendo....

....and they continue to repeat it, add to it, embellish & distort.

327 posted on 10/04/2007 12:08:35 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

Never said he should shut up or go away.

I do feel that he A: doesn’t speak for all Christians and B: has ridiculous expectations for a candidate.

He also insulted Fred.


328 posted on 10/04/2007 12:13:34 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: windcliff

Dobson has his view and Thompson has his, though there seems some miscommunication therein.


329 posted on 10/04/2007 12:14:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: RockinRight
I will tell you in a nutshell what Dobson has...

He has high standards....he's a purist.

He will not now ...or ever... compromise...

Compromise is why we're in the mess we're in today.... the Republican Party.....and the nation.

330 posted on 10/04/2007 12:18:36 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

Shall we call these the “Don’t tax m’beer ‘n’ condoms!” Republicans?


331 posted on 10/04/2007 12:20:32 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Neville72

No one ever said Fred wasn’t a Christian... Just that they’d seen no evidence of it. Why does the Ron Paul conspiracy vibe seem to be invading the ranks of Thompson supporters? When someone purposefully distorts someone else’s plain-spoken comments in an attempt to trump up more support for their candidate, I become suspicious.


332 posted on 10/04/2007 12:21:14 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: BibChr
Now Dan....:^ .....No, let's not go there.

..but I will say some of them are very comfortable with compromise.

333 posted on 10/04/2007 12:40:06 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

Compromise and pragmatism aren’t the same thing.

Compromise means giving up most of your standards to where nobody is happy. See Giuliani, Rudy.

Pragmatism is realizing that someone is 90% correct and will do much more good than simply throwing in the towel. See Thompson, Fred.

Should Dobson compromise? No. Does he need a dose of pragmatism? Yes.


334 posted on 10/04/2007 12:40:16 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: BibChr

I suppose you’re one of those “drinking is evil and condoms should be banned” Republicans, right?


335 posted on 10/04/2007 12:41:52 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: RockinRight

(I can do that, too. Watch!)

So, touched a nerve, did I?

(Say, this mind-reading thing is fun! So much easier than actual, thinking dialogue!)


336 posted on 10/04/2007 12:45:13 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Antoninus

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”


337 posted on 10/04/2007 12:45:28 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: RockinRight
I'm afraid we're done with pragmatism too...

We need to take a hard turn to the right....!!

We've ceded too much ground....don't know if it can be recovered.

The hard right folk...(include me) want a candidate with deep, real convictions and moral clarity.

I know MSM & the 'powers that be' have written off Duncan Hunter...

..but he has the 'right stuff' !!

Only God's intervention can bring Hunter to the top of the tier...

..and I'm not factoring out God!

338 posted on 10/04/2007 12:46:23 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: COgamer

I am concerned about the “triangulation” that the DU’s are doing to the Christian Right. The Christian Right was THE difference in the 2004 election.

The MSM and the leftists are trying to peal off the
“Social Justice” Christians.

I hate to be negative, BUT.....We lack the vision thing.
(and I am not talking about the “Thousand points of light” kind of vision thing.) We are missing the “shinning City on the Hill” vision as articulated by the Great One(RR).


339 posted on 10/04/2007 12:46:26 PM PDT by oiler (Reagan Republicans Unite!!!!! Draft Fred Thompson in 08')
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To: BibChr

People said the same about Reagan.


340 posted on 10/04/2007 12:46:51 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: BibChr

Not at all.

I’m against abortion, because it’s life, but beyond that, I think government should stay out of pubs and bedrooms.


341 posted on 10/04/2007 12:49:03 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: oiler

There are a lot of posters at Free Republic trying to peel off the “Social Justice” Christians too.


342 posted on 10/04/2007 12:49:20 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere
The hard right folk...(include me) want a candidate with deep, real convictions and moral clarity.

I'd love to...but he just won't win in this environment. Principle does us no good once we're burning at the stake.

343 posted on 10/04/2007 12:50:13 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: RockinRight

Lack of principle is the reason we’ll be burning at that stake!


344 posted on 10/04/2007 12:51:43 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: oiler

OK, now you bring up a good point.

I have never, not once, said the GOP needs to “write off” the Christian Right. I realize you haven’t said that, but other posters on this thread have suggested that I have said such a thing.

What I said was a candidate with his lip totally, 100% pressed against the butts of the Dobson types turns off the other 80% of the GOP electorate that isn’t quite so strongly in that camp.

The right candidate needs to be able to balance himself. He (or she) must have a background of basic, American-values social conservatism that’s strong enough for evangelicals to accept but not coming across as a bible-thumper, so as not to turn off the libertarian wing...a strong, patriotic pro-American stance, and a fiscal and economic platform that is low-tax and pro-business, but still shows respect for the “little guy” at the same time. As much as a certain segment of the conservative movement hates to hear this, you are NOT going to win on a platform of banning contraceptives, censoring the Internet, or even legislating things like whether or not you can buy a Playboy at a truck stop.

Of anyone on the radar now, Fred Thompson fits that description better than anyone.


345 posted on 10/04/2007 12:54:01 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: Neville72

Good for Thompson. I respect Dobson, but he is way off base here and he sounds like nothing more than the “all or nothing conservatives” that are destined to give the Democrats reign of the government in 2009 and beyond.

It is this type of thinking that needs to stop and stop now.


346 posted on 10/04/2007 12:57:53 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: RockinRight
I agree that Fred Thompson seems to be the best fit of the so called Fusionist conservatives. There are so many things that disturb me about the Republican party at this time. There are many good things to say about many of the presidential candidates; Fred, Mitt, Rudy, Hunter et al. But the congressional Republicans......how far can we continue to sink.

I wish someone would create a curriculum based on the 50+yrs of the National Review, Goldwater and Kirk and hand it to every would be Republican politician.

347 posted on 10/04/2007 1:16:30 PM PDT by oiler (Reagan Republicans Unite!!!!! Draft Fred Thompson in 08')
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To: Guenevere

“Lack of principle is the reason we’ll be burning at that stake!”

Sadly, you are correct.


348 posted on 10/04/2007 1:19:16 PM PDT by oiler (Reagan Republicans Unite!!!!! Draft Fred Thompson in 08')
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To: oiler

Well said.

Fusionist. Haven’t heard that phrase.


349 posted on 10/04/2007 1:20:34 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: Guenevere

Enjoy your principles with Hillary in Oval Office.

A 80% friend is a lot better than a 80% enemy.

In the political arena, primaries are the time for 100% principles. In the general, 100% principles will get you 5% in office.

Thanks!


350 posted on 10/04/2007 1:21:48 PM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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