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Judge Denies Sen. Craig's Motion to Revoke Plea; Will He Appeal Again?
Associated Press ^ | October 4, 2007

Posted on 10/04/2007 11:07:35 AM PDT by yorkie

A Minnesota judge on Thursday rejected Sen. Larry Craig's bid to withdraw his guilty plea in an airport sex sting, a major setback in Craig's effort to clear his name and hang onto his Senate seat.


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1 posted on 10/04/2007 11:07:36 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

The judge took a narrower stance apparently.


2 posted on 10/04/2007 11:08:21 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

ROFLMAO


3 posted on 10/04/2007 11:12:18 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Yes, he couldn’t just hand it to him!
4 posted on 10/04/2007 11:13:12 AM PDT by Right_Rev (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: yorkie

Good, now please submit your resignation, Mr. Craig.


5 posted on 10/04/2007 11:13:42 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: All

IMHO, he should resign immediately, and save himself, and the Republican Party further embarassement and humiliation.


6 posted on 10/04/2007 11:17:07 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

HAHAHAAAA!!


7 posted on 10/04/2007 11:17:50 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: yorkie

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!


8 posted on 10/04/2007 11:19:11 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

LOL!


9 posted on 10/04/2007 11:19:44 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator

If congress members have to resign over disorderly conduct charges, then we ought to be able to get rid of quite a few more of them.


10 posted on 10/04/2007 11:23:30 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: yorkie

One of the few times in recent memory I appreciate a judge’s ruling.

Now....what about Leisure suit Larry Craig?


11 posted on 10/04/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by Badeye (So much for the faux tri athlete)
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To: yorkie
Craig should cease any further stalling and vacate the seat immediately.

Leni

12 posted on 10/04/2007 11:25:55 AM PDT by MinuteGal ("I don't believe anything MoveOn.org or Rush Limbaugh says" (Geraldo Rivera))
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To: yorkie

I don’t know about Craig. All I know is ever since this broke it creeps me out to use public bathrooms, even the ones at work.


13 posted on 10/04/2007 11:30:42 AM PDT by Kenton (All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
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To: MinuteGal

100 percent agree.


14 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I’ve got no grief for Craig; but, I bet you $10 to a donut had he been a ‘rat the judge would have allowed him to withdraw the plea, meaning the judge is a ‘rat.


15 posted on 10/04/2007 11:59:08 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: izzatzo

I’ve seen it posted that the judge was not a “rat.” Craig’s problem is that he acts like a rat. He could not tell the truth if his life depended on it.

The judge may have had pity on him if he had decided to step down as he suggested he would. But his greedy attempt to hold on to power in the face of his idiocy was just a bit much for anyone especially a no nonsense judge.

Make no mistake, this is all Larry Craig’s fault. I won’t be one bit surprised if the fool tries to hold on to power even in the face of his defeat. Deviancy has no morals.


16 posted on 10/04/2007 12:15:15 PM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: yorkie

Maybe Sen. Craig should have just admitted he was a sucker all along.


17 posted on 10/04/2007 12:27:03 PM PDT by Roberts
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To: ltc8k6
If congress members have to resign over disorderly conduct charges, then we ought to be able to get rid of quite a few more of them.

And that would be a bad thing?

I wish you guys would stop drinking the kool aid for this pervert.

18 posted on 10/04/2007 12:43:24 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

It’s never good to assume you know what someone meant, and I drink wild berry Tang.


19 posted on 10/04/2007 2:03:10 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: All

I read the 27 page decision on Fox. Craig has not been truthful. The Judge bent over backward for him, er.., anyway, Craig claims to have been handcuffed and cop said never happened. He also said he was confused, but there is a trail of phone calls back and forth where he said he was conferring with his attorney, etc. Judges do sometimes vacate guilty pleas, but not this time. There was just too much fairness and the facts did add up to Disorderly Conduct (if not the more serious charge of Invading Privacy which was dropped). Guilty. Next case.


20 posted on 10/04/2007 2:12:45 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: fortheDeclaration
I wish you guys would stop drinking the kool aid for this pervert.

Do I think he is a homosexual? Probably. Could I prove it? No. And neither can you!

He pleaded guilty to Disturbing the Peace .. that's it! Anything else is just speculation on your part.

I believe he was there to find sex .. but there is no proof. Until there is proof, he is innocent. If you can't handle that .. then you don't believe in our Constitution .. and you can take that Kool-Aid and swallow it!

21 posted on 10/04/2007 2:46:01 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Lmao,The poofter needs to resign!


22 posted on 10/04/2007 3:07:11 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: CometBaby
[Iwish you guys would stop drinking the kool aid for this pervert.]

Do I think he is a homosexual? Probably. Could I prove it? No. And neither can you! He pleaded guilty to Disturbing the Peace .. that's it! Anything else is just speculation on your part. I believe he was there to find sex .. but there is no proof. Until there is proof, he is innocent. If you can't handle that .. then you don't believe in our Constitution .. and you can take that Kool-Aid and swallow it!

He pled guilty to a lesser offense to avoid being charged with deviant behavior.

He isn't 'innocent' of anything-he pled guilty.

And the next time you use a restroom and and someone touches your feet you can just assume he has a 'wide stance'.

The Constitution doesn't defend deviant behavior.

So, enjoy your kool aid.

23 posted on 10/04/2007 10:24:22 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: ltc8k6
It’s never good to assume you know what someone meant, and I drink wild berry Tang.

You are correct.

Upon rereading your post, you could have been simply advocating that more Senators be removed.

24 posted on 10/04/2007 10:32:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
He pled guilty to a lesser offense to avoid being charged with deviant behavior.

The court dismissed a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy. There was NEVER a charge of "deviant behavior". You cannot just make up stuff.

He isn't 'innocent' of anything-he pled guilty.

I said: "I believe he was there to find sex .. but there is no proof." You need to understand that what I *think* and what you *think* does not matter to the judge. Craig never admitted he was there for sex, and he was never charged with being there for sex. He pled guilty to Distubance and thats all.

I needed to make the distinction of what I *believed" happened .. and what could be *proven*. You need to do the same. And these charges of "Deviant Behavior" that you dreamed up, doesn't help your credibility.

And the next time you use a restroom... blah blah blah

Don't make it personal. Don't insert ME into some "what if" scenario. This is not about ME.

The Constitution doesn't defend deviant behavior.

No it doesn't .. and I NEVER claimed it did! Do you always just make stuff up?

What the Constitution DOES SAY, is that we are innocent until proven guilty. Guess you missed that part. Enjoy the kool-aid.

25 posted on 10/06/2007 6:17:09 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
[He pled guilty to a lesser offense to avoid being charged with deviant behavior.]

The court dismissed a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy. There was NEVER a charge of "deviant behavior". You cannot just make up stuff.

The Court dismissed nothing.

He took a plea deal.

It is you are making things up.

[ He isn't 'innocent' of anything-he pled guilty. ]

I said: "I believe he was there to find sex .. but there is no proof." You need to understand that what I *think* and what you *think* does not matter to the judge. Craig never admitted he was there for sex, and he was never charged with being there for sex. He pled guilty to Distubance and thats all.

He admitted to disorderly conduct which was a lesser plea so he would not be charged with deviant behaviour.

He took the plea to make it go away.

I needed to make the distinction of what I *believed" happened .. and what could be *proven*. You need to do the same. And these charges of "Deviant Behavior" that you dreamed up, doesn't help your credibility.

There is no need to 'prove' anything.

He pled guilty to disorderly conduct to avoid the more serious charge.

And the next time you use a restroom... blah blah blah Don't make it personal. Don't insert ME into some "what if" scenario. This is not about ME.

It is about common sense.

So don't use the nonsense about what we can prove.

No one sits in a stall and touches another man's feet.

He knew he had been caught and that was why he pled out.

[ The Constitution doesn't defend deviant behavior. ]

No it doesn't .. and I NEVER claimed it did! Do you always just make stuff up? What the Constitution DOES SAY, is that we are innocent until proven guilty. Guess you missed that part. Enjoy the kool-aid.

This is not a Constitution issue, but you brought up the idea that some 'innocent' man was having his rights violated.

Craig got caught in deviant behavior and pled to a lesser charge.

The facts of the case would show to any reasonable person what Craig was up to and only pled guilty to a lesser offense to avoid the scandal.

No one is making up anything, but you are closing your eyes to what the truth is.

26 posted on 10/06/2007 7:12:16 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
It is about common sense. So don't use the nonsense about what we can prove.

Clearly you have made a decision to ignore the protections offered to ALL of us by the U.S. Constitution .. "innocent until proven guily". I rest my case.

27 posted on 10/06/2007 7:55:56 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
[It is about common sense. So don't use the nonsense about what we can prove.]

Clearly you have made a decision to ignore the protections offered to ALL of us by the U.S. Constitution .. "innocent until proven guily". I rest my case.

So once again you bring up the Constitution!

Craig had all the protections of the Constitution and he pled guilty to a lesser offense to avoid having to face a trial over a more serious offense.

Now, that makes him guilty of the charge that he pled to-which was disorderly conduct.

Disorderly conduct includes sexual misbehavior in that State.

As for 'resting your case' you have as much a case to rest as Craig did-zero!

28 posted on 10/07/2007 9:55:30 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Now, that makes him guilty of the charge that he pled to-which was disorderly conduct.

EXACTLY. That and nothing else! Anything else is pure speculation on your part. All your other hysterical accusations about "guilty of deviant behavior" are just a bunch of *feelings*. Like Liberals, you think that how you *feel* and what you personally *believe* .. is the same thing as FACTS. LOL

He was guilty of disorderly conduct .. that's all! Nothing else! I'm glad you are finally ready to admit that.

29 posted on 10/08/2007 6:35:37 AM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
[Now, that makes him guilty of the charge that he pled to-which was disorderly conduct.]

EXACTLY. That and nothing else! Anything else is pure speculation on your part. All your other hysterical accusations about "guilty of deviant behavior" are just a bunch of *feelings*. Like Liberals, you think that how you *feel* and what you personally *believe* .. is the same thing as FACTS. LOL He was guilty of disorderly conduct .. that's all! Nothing else! I'm glad you are finally ready to admit that.

And you better check what is included in 'disorderly conduct', it includes sexual misbehavior.

For example, here is the disorderly conduct provision from Calif. (d) Who loiters in or about any toilet open to the public for the purpose of engaging in or soliciting any lewd or lascivious or any unlawful act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct

Craig pled guilty of engaging in physical activity that would 'arouse alarm or resentment in others

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/crim/larry-craig-guilty-plea-agreement.html

He did so to avoid the more serious charge of 'peeping', since he was staring into the officer's stall.

Craig is a self-confessed deviant.

So get your head out of the sand!

30 posted on 10/08/2007 12:17:51 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Right_Rev

Well, you can put it in your lawyer’s hands, but it’ll never stand up in court.


31 posted on 10/08/2007 12:19:14 PM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: CometBaby
609.72 DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

Subdivision 1. Crime. Whoever does any of the following in a public or private place, including on a school bus, knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor:

(1) Engages in brawling or fighting;

or (2) Disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or

(3) Engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive, obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others.

A person does not violate this section if the person's disorderly conduct was caused by an epileptic seizure.

http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=609.72&year=2006

So what part of 'obscene conduct' do you not understand?

32 posted on 10/08/2007 12:26:02 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
A person does not violate this section if the person's disorderly conduct was caused by an epileptic seizure.

I don't know where you got your definition of Disorderly Conduct because you did not cite your source. It appears to be nothing more than a list of MANY things that *could* be defined as Disorderly Conduct. The connection that you made to Epileptic Seizures, is mystifying. Furthermore, nothing you posted proves your claim that Craig was charged with "Deviant Behavior". You need to get a grip on yourself!

Here is a definition of Disorderly Conduct taken from Find Law, a universally accepted legal source .. and unlike you, I will provide the link to my source: http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/disorderly_conduct.html

Disorderly Conduct

Almost every state has a disorderly conduct law that makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of obnoxious or unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when a person is behaving in a disruptive manner, but presents no serious public danger.

Note: These definitions are nothing more than lists of possibilites that could lead to a charge of Disorderly Conduct. They do not prove deviant behavior. LOL

33 posted on 10/08/2007 3:28:49 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby

I guess playing gay footsie was conduct that was problematic.


34 posted on 10/08/2007 3:30:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
I guess playing gay footsie was conduct that was problematic.

Thank goodness playing footsie is not against the law. If it was, my husband and I would be in a lot of trouble. hehe

Personally, I think he is gay. Speculating is one thing .. proving it is quite another. He plead guilty to Disorderly Conduct, nothing else.

I hope he goes away. He is an embarrassment to the GOP.

35 posted on 10/08/2007 4:52:20 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
3) Engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive, obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others. http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=609.72&year=2006

Now, if you will go the link you will see that is Minnesota's disorderly conduct statute.

And it includes obscene conduct.

That is what Craig was pleading to.

So, once again, stop denying that Craig was not pleading guilty of deviant behavior-he is.

36 posted on 10/08/2007 10:21:44 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: CometBaby
[(1) Engages in brawling or fighting; or (2) Disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or (3) Engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive, obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others. ]

Lets see now.

Craig wasn't involved in brawling or fighting, he wasn't disturbing an assembly or meeting so 1 and 2 are out.

He wasn't being being offensive, abusive, boisterous, or noisy in either his speech or conduct.

So what could be left?

Oh, obscene!

LOL!

Craig is a self-confessed deviant.

If Craig was asked for what he was found for disorderly conduct he would have to say for engaging in obscene behavior that would have caused resentement or anger in someone else.

So your attempts to defend a sexual deviant have failed.

37 posted on 10/08/2007 10:29:04 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: CometBaby; A CA Guy
Thank goodness playing footsie is not against the law. If it was, my husband and I would be in a lot of trouble. hehe

do it in public and you will be charged with disorderly conduct.

38 posted on 10/08/2007 10:44:24 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration; CometBaby

Yep, doing questionable things in public will get you in trouble.


39 posted on 10/09/2007 9:06:57 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
So, once again, stop denying that Craig was not pleading guilty of deviant behavior-he is.

He plead guilty to disordly conduct .. nothing else. You must live in la la land where you think that you can just make up stuff and it becomes reality. Then you have the audacity to ORDER me to stop telling you that you are wrong? This is not Cuba and you are not Castro. GROW UP!

40 posted on 10/10/2007 1:18:04 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
do it in public and you will be charged with disorderly conduct.

Yeah and if you pass gas you will be arrested for deviant behavior :-)

41 posted on 10/10/2007 1:30:06 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
[So, once again, stop denying that Craig was not pleading guilty of deviant behavior-he is.]

He plead guilty to disordly conduct .. nothing else. You must live in la la land where you think that you can just make up stuff and it becomes reality. Then you have the audacity to ORDER me to stop telling you that you are wrong? This is not Cuba and you are not Castro. GROW UP!

Now, you just being obstinate.

He pled guilty to disorderly conduct and the reason for the charge for disorderly conduct were due to obscene actions on his part.

Obscenity is part of the Minn. statute for disorderly conduct and that was why he was being charged with the crime.

If one was to ask Craig why he was charged with disorderly conduct he would have to say for acting in an matter that may have caused resentment or hostilty for others.

And what how was he acting that would have caused such a reaction by others-in an obscene matter.

If someone behaves lewdly in a public setting, he is going to be arrested for disorderly conduct, but the reason he is being charged is for obscene behavior.

Disorderly conduct is a broad charge that includes all kinds of behavior and all one has to to is check out why the person was charged to see the basis for the charge.

If he has been acting in a violent manner, you would not be saying we could not say that Craig had a violent temper just because he pled guilty to a statute that includes many provisions.

We would find out why Craig pled guilty to the charge and if it were for violent behavior we would say that clearly Craig has a temper problem.

We can say the same thing for obscene acts.

Pleading guilty to disorderly conduct doesn't shield you from the actual act you were pleading guilty to, it only lessens it, since it is a misdemeanor.

So, Craig pled guilty to acts that others would be offended (obscene) and was charged with disorderly conduct.

Craig wanted to take back his plea since he understands what the implications of the charges.

He had no problem with the guilty plea until it was exposed to what he had pled guilty to.

If your husband were charged with disorderly conduct would you ask him what he was doing that resulted in the charge?

Would it make a difference to you if he were charged with it for getting in an argument with someone or if he were charged with lewd behavior, or would you just leave it at 'well it is just disorderly conduct' and thus, there is no reason to find what constituted the disorderly conduct.

If someone is guilty of disorderly conduct, he is guilty of an act that caused the disturbance, and that is what you trying to deny.

So when Craig pled guilty, he knew he was pleading guilty to acts that could be construed as obscene and took the lesser charge of disorderly conduct to 'make it all go away'.

That doesn't lessen Craig's guilt in what he pled guilty to, only the severity of the sentence.

42 posted on 10/10/2007 1:48:45 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I don’t care how you want to spin it. He plead guilty to Disorderly Conduct. Nothing else. He was never charged with Indecent Behavior except in your imagination. You need to stick to the facts of the case .. and stop interjecting your *opinions* as facts. Your opinions are nothing but your opinions.


43 posted on 10/10/2007 6:30:03 PM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
I don’t care how you want to spin it. He plead guilty to Disorderly Conduct. Nothing else. He was never charged with Indecent Behavior except in your imagination. You need to stick to the facts of the case .. and stop interjecting your *opinions* as facts. Your opinions are nothing but your opinions.

He pled guilty to disorderly conduct because he was engaged in lewd behavior.

That is not my opinion, that is a fact.

Diorderly Conduct. Minn.Stat.Sec 609.72 subd.1(3) by engaging in obscene, abusive...conduct....tending to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others in a public, or private place that it will tend to alarm anger or disturb others...a Misdemeanor

That is what Craig pled guilty do, the Misdemeanor charge. http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/crim/mn-larry-craig-70207cmp2.html

The peeping charge was a gross Misdemeanor charge.

I am pleading guilty to the charge of Disorderly Conduct as alleged....specifically in the restroom in the Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal, I did the following, engaged in conduct which I knew or should have known tended to arouse alarm in others which conduct was physical versus verbal in nature.

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/crim/larry-craig-guilty-plea-agreement.html

So Craig pled guilty to a Misdemeanor charge that constituted obscene conduct, as stated very clearly in the charge that he pled guilty to.

Now, that is not my opinion, that is the fact, no matter how much you want to continue to deny it.

Anyone can check out the plea agreement and see that he pled guilty to the lesser misdemeanor charge which included obscene conduct, to avoid the more serious gross misdemeanor charge.

Both charges were dealing with obscene conduct.

Facts are stubborn things.

44 posted on 10/10/2007 10:49:31 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: CometBaby
He plead guilty to disordly conduct .. nothing else. You must live in la la land where you think that you can just make up stuff and it becomes reality. Then you have the audacity to ORDER me to stop telling you that you are wrong? This is not Cuba and you are not Castro. GROW UP!

Learn to do some research.

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/crim/mn-larry-craig-70207cmp2.html

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/crim/larry-craig-guilty-plea-agreement.html

45 posted on 10/10/2007 10:53:11 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: CometBaby
[do it in public and you will be charged with disorderly conduct.]

Yeah and if you pass gas you will be arrested for deviant behavior :-)

Talk about growing up!

Disorderly conduct includes obscene conduct and that is what Craig pled guilty to.

46 posted on 10/10/2007 10:55:10 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Disorderly conduct includes obscene conduct and that is what Craig plead guilty to.

Disorderly conduct CAN include obscene behavior ... as well as a long list of other possibilities. It does not make you guilty of every single possible reason you *could* be charged with it. If you refuse to leave a restaurant you could be charged with Disorderly Conduct because of uncooperative, but not obscene behavior.

Pleading guilty to Disorderly Conduct does not mean you are guilty of obscene behavior. It also does not mean you are guilty of "Deviant" behavior either. The mere fact that he plead guilty to Disorderly Conduct does not mean he is guilty of every single thing your *biased* opinion wants it to include.

47 posted on 10/11/2007 4:49:29 AM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby
Disorderly conduct CAN include obscene behavior ... as well as a long list of other possibilities. It does not make you guilty of every single possible reason you *could* be charged with it. If you refuse to leave a restaurant you could be charged with Disorderly Conduct because of uncooperative, but not obscene behavior. Pleading guilty to Disorderly Conduct does not mean you are guilty of obscene behavior. It also does not mean you are guilty of "Deviant" behavior either. The mere fact that he plead guilty to Disorderly Conduct does not mean he is guilty of every single thing your *biased* opinion wants it to include.

He pled to disorderly conduct because he was guilty of an obscene act.

Those were the actual charges that were leveled against him, one a gross misdemeanor and the other which he pled guilty to, the misdemeanor.

He pled guilty to conduct that would a reasonable person would find offensive or threatening.

And what was that conduct?

It was obscene conduct.

So give it up.

He is a self-confessed deviant.

No 'opinion' about it, it is there in clear English.

48 posted on 10/11/2007 12:06:36 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: CometBaby

The Evidence Supports the Conviction for Disorderly Conduct

... The evidence that the Defendant intentionally entered into Sgt. Karsnia’s stall with his eyes, hand, and foot, establishes that the Defendant violated the right to privacy in an offensive way that would reasonably tend to cause anger, alarm, or resentment in the stall’s occupant.

http://idahostatesman.com/politics/story/175453.html


49 posted on 10/11/2007 12:39:25 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: CometBaby

While, depending on the facts of any particular case, that may be true, the acts alleged in this case are the solicitation, not the sex act, and the criminal behavior is the Defendant’s entry into an occupied stall with his eyes, hand, and foot.

http://idahostatesman.com/politics/story/175453.html


50 posted on 10/11/2007 1:00:18 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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