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Origins of Syphilis [It was waiting for Columbus and his crew~~~NEW WORLD]
Archaeology.org ^ | January/February 1997 | Mark Rose

Posted on 10/06/2007 6:04:49 PM PDT by shield

snip...

Syphilis, it seems, developed in the New World from yaws, perhaps 1,600 years ago, and was waiting for Columbus and his crew. The Rothschilds are now examining skeletal collections from the Bahamas to look for evidence of syphilis nearer to Columbus' landfall.

(Excerpt) Read more at archaeology.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: clinton; godsgravesglyphs; libslied; syphilis; vd; venerealdisease
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This is extremely upsetting to the looney libs. They want to blame the evil white man or western civilization.

Liberals have desperately searched in vain for evidence of syphilis in Europe before Columbus so as to disprove its American Indian origin.

Conclusive research shows however that syphilis is a New World mutation of yaws, existing among American aboriginals for many centuries before Columbus. An American Indian disease wiped out a third of Europe, to the great embarrassment of liberals.

1 posted on 10/06/2007 6:04:52 PM PDT by shield
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To: shield

Does any one know what Dennis Miller means when he says “touch Indians “?


2 posted on 10/06/2007 6:09:30 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. F Troop)
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To: shield

I’ve read other articles over the years on this question. The description of Syphillis in the 1500-1600’s were particularly gruesome, the explanation was that the strains that killed their hosts too quickly died out after a few centuries tearing through the Old World.

I’ve also read that Malaria is an Old World import and did not exist in the Americas prior to the Age of Discovery.


3 posted on 10/06/2007 6:11:27 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


4 posted on 10/06/2007 6:12:39 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: shield
The first cases of syphilis in Europe were in th port of Genoa, IIRC, but not until AFTER the discovery of the New World.

I never understood how the lefties got it so backwards. But the fact that they did speaks volumes as to their intellectual dishonesty.

5 posted on 10/06/2007 6:14:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: sinanju

Yes, but the libs would like to blame US...the whites for all the evils that’s taken place throughout the world. Especially diseases we gave to the natives, killing many.


6 posted on 10/06/2007 6:14:26 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: BenLurkin
speaks volumes as to their intellectual dishonesty.

Yes, it does. Proving once again how much they HATE their own race of people who've help to create a better world.

7 posted on 10/06/2007 6:18:25 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: kbennkc

“Does any one know what Dennis Miller means when he says “touch Indians “?”

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Could Dennis have been referring to the Plains Indian practice of “counting coup” (touching a foe without killing him) in combat? Ken Russell’s “The War” documentary brought this up where a returning Lakota WWII vet, after giving an account of his exploits to his tribal elders was informed that he had accomplished the four feats necessary to qualify as a War Chief (among other things, he punched a German soldier who got away and he sneaked across enemy lines to steal some of their draft horses).

Sixty-odd years later, he still chuckles over that.


8 posted on 10/06/2007 6:19:00 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: shield
An American Indian disease wiped out a third of Europe, to the great embarrassment of liberals

Umm...Syphilis never remotely "wiped out a third of Europe."

I think you're confusing the Plague and Syphilis.

You'll drive yourself insane if you view everything through politics. The debate over the origin of Syphilis was simply a scientific debate; there are a lot of them, and people thought they had legitimate evidence it may have been in Europe prior to Columbus. It wasn't some vast left-wing conspiracy.

9 posted on 10/06/2007 6:20:49 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Syphilis can cause insanity can it not ?


10 posted on 10/06/2007 6:23:32 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. F Troop)
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To: Strategerist

Not true...Europe had finally begun to recover from the Black Death of the bubonic plague in the middle 1300’s, which had killed fully half of all Europeans. Once again, Europe was ravaged by a plague now known as morbus gallicus, the French Disease. It would kill one third of the entire population of Europe.


11 posted on 10/06/2007 6:25:49 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Why do you want us to believe that Liberals are human beings rather than space aliens sent by a malevolent entity to inflict harm on us.


12 posted on 10/06/2007 6:25:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You are right...since the loons believe we went into Iraq for the Stargates...it does make one realize...that kind of thinking isn’t of this world...it’s just way too nutty. Only aliens could believe such a stupid thing.


13 posted on 10/06/2007 6:29:28 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield
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Waiting for Columbus?

14 posted on 10/06/2007 6:36:40 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: shield

15 posted on 10/06/2007 6:39:44 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (("democrat" 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.'))
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To: shield

I’m sure thats true but didn’t the French bring crotch crickets over?


16 posted on 10/06/2007 6:40:37 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Strategerist
You'll drive yourself insane if you view everything through politics.

Typical Liberal comment.

(Just kidding)

17 posted on 10/06/2007 6:41:09 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't want to find "common ground" with a bunch of damn leftists.)
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To: shield

William McNeil (or MacNeil) made the yaws/syphillis connection and an argument for a New World origin 30 odd years ago in “Plagues and Peoples, the Influence of Disease on History”.


18 posted on 10/06/2007 6:45:44 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: shield
Thanks for the article... I have perhaps heard the last of Europeans genocide on Indians for a while without a backup disclaimer.

A third of Europe had to be more than all of the New World population total.

19 posted on 10/06/2007 6:46:05 PM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: sinanju

It was also funny that the Indian man had no idea he was actually doing all those feats at the time he was doing them. It was like circumstances just fell into place. His grandfather was one of the greatest war chiefs of all time; don’t remember his name but they showed a photograph of him.


20 posted on 10/06/2007 6:47:53 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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To: sinanju
It was Ken Burns and I can't believe you believed that garbage. That doc was so anti-America it made one want to throw up. It was totally a crappy piece of ugly hate America propaganda piece. It made me so angry....how dare PBS and Ken Burns put mostly lies on that public station.

And that Indian bit...oh come on...how many of the white Americans did you see that were out and out heros...there were a huge number of them...we saw NOTHING.

21 posted on 10/06/2007 6:50:23 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: skepsel

Yes, I’m sure. But in recent yrs the loons have tried to blame everything bad on the whites. They’ve tried to disprove we were given this disease by the indians...trying to re-write or twist history again


22 posted on 10/06/2007 7:00:16 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield
An American Indian disease wiped out a third of Europe, to the great embarrassment of liberals.

Reparations?

23 posted on 10/06/2007 7:22:44 PM PDT by donna (Equal justice for U.S. citizens!)
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To: shield
They want to blame the evil white man or western civilization.

It won't upset them.

They'll just say those evil smelly white men raped the indian maidens.

Or got them drunk with white man's firewater, and then did it.

(Although that's probably how it went.)

24 posted on 10/06/2007 7:39:44 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: donna
"Reparations?"

If they're short of cash, I'll take mine in the form of a percentage of their casino and tobacco operations.

:)

25 posted on 10/06/2007 7:46:38 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: Age of Reason
I'm sure your right. But the FACT the indians wiped out 1/3 of the European population defuses that argument a bit...that the dirty old white men caused untold deaths. HA...not in those numbers.

Oh come on it didn't take much for those savage women to accommodate those white men. That's why they're called savages.

26 posted on 10/06/2007 7:51:57 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: skepsel
William McNeil (or MacNeil) made the yaws/syphillis connection and an argument for a New World origin 30 odd years ago in “Plagues and Peoples, the Influence of Disease on History”.

And that is what I was taught in human osteology classes about that same time.

It sounds like this article just has some more conclusive data, but the overall idea has been pretty much standard for decades.

27 posted on 10/06/2007 7:55:42 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: shield
I'm sure your right. But the FACT the indians wiped out 1/3 of the European population defuses that argument a bit...that the dirty old white men caused untold deaths. HA...not in those numbers.

You are making a big deal out of 1/3 of the European population.

Are you aware that the death rate in many parts of the Americas was twice that, or more?

The California missions and Spanish pueblos, for example, led to a death rate in the coastal areas where they were founded--just during the mission area--of about 90%.

28 posted on 10/06/2007 8:00:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

And what is 90% of...a 100 or 2000 or even 3000...


29 posted on 10/06/2007 8:08:50 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield
Oh come on it didn’t take much for those savage women to accommodate those white men. That’s why they’re called savages.

Yeah, like those Spanish Conquistadors were really a civilized bunch.......

30 posted on 10/06/2007 8:11:49 PM PDT by dusttoyou (FredHead from the git go)
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To: shield

They are already saying this account doesn’t work since it is 10 years old. They say China has dug up some more recent accounts, and some Hull findings are around 1300 also.


31 posted on 10/06/2007 8:15:29 PM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: shield
And what is 90% of...a 100 or 2000 or even 3000...

90%

And the population of the Americas was a lot larger than has previously been recognized. It is now being realized that diseases reduced the population significantly before settlers even reached many areas.

32 posted on 10/06/2007 8:15:40 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: shield

If I remember correctly tobacco is a native american plant.

How many thousands, if not millions of people have been adversely affected if not killed by tobacco products through out the world since 1492?

If whitey, cracker man gave to world tobacco they would be called mass murders


33 posted on 10/06/2007 8:16:52 PM PDT by Taffini
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To: shield
When the Niña, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria returned to home port, many people noticed the popularity of a certain t-shirt among the crew of those ships:

My ship went to the New World, but all I got was this lousy venereal infection.

34 posted on 10/06/2007 8:18:38 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: dusttoyou
Oh come on it didn’t take much for those savage women to accommodate those white men. That’s why they’re called savages.

Yeah, like those Spanish Conquistadors were really a civilized bunch.......

I think the Spanish Conquistadors can be accurately described as barbarians.

Some of the Central and South American cultures can accurately be described as civilizations.

35 posted on 10/06/2007 8:23:32 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: LowOiL

Who says...you need to give a reference. I’ve gotten this info from Dr. Jack Wheeler. This is from an article he wrote this week...he is ALWAYS current with his facts...he just doesn’t make mistakes. So you’ll have to prove that statement with a link with provable facts.


36 posted on 10/06/2007 8:26:23 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Coyoteman

90% of what...lets have some numbers and a link to what you have stated...otherwise...


37 posted on 10/06/2007 8:32:55 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

http://tinyurl.com/3cc6ck
There seem to have been two great epidemics in England: one about 1600, and another in the late nineteenth century. The 2nd led to the inhibitions of the victorian era.


38 posted on 10/06/2007 8:37:47 PM PDT by rector seal (Everyone who had known Hitler in that early period seems to have died violently.)
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To: shield
Syphillis comes from sheep.
Any "boot" knows that.
How long have sheep been around?
Would anyone care to go looking for Patient Zero?

Yes, it causes insanity. Al Capone died from it in prison.

39 posted on 10/06/2007 8:54:17 PM PDT by concretebob (If liberals aren't traitors, their only defense at this point is they are incredibly stupid)
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To: shield
90% of what...lets have some numbers and a link to what you have stated...otherwise...

Population for the California mission areas prior to the Spanish colonization can be found in Sherburne Cook's The Population of the California Indians 1769-1970 (University of California Press, 1976).

A number of recent works have suggested that Cook's figures are too low. These works are too new to be found on the internet, but you might check recent issues of Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology.

For additional background information you might also want to check:

Sandos, Converting California: Indians and Franciscans in the Missions (Yale University Press, 2004)

Jackson, Indian Population Decline: The Missions of Northwestern New Spain, 1687-1840 (University of New Mexico Press, 1994)

Hackel, Children of Coyote, Missionaries of Saint Francis: Indian-Spanish Relations in Colonial California, 1769-1850 (University of North Carolina Press, 2005)


40 posted on 10/06/2007 8:58:16 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: shield

btt


41 posted on 10/06/2007 9:09:49 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: shield
"how dare PBS and Ken Burns put mostly lies on that public station"

That's what PBS is for.

42 posted on 10/06/2007 9:27:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Coyoteman

OK...you’re talking about a completely different time period than when Columbus came to the new world...


43 posted on 10/06/2007 9:31:11 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Beagle8U

>>I’m sure thats true but didn’t the French bring crotch crickets over?<<

I’ve read the Brits called it the French Pox while the French called it the English disease.


44 posted on 10/06/2007 9:34:17 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Taffini

‘If I remember correctly tobacco is a native american plant.

How many thousands, if not millions of people have been adversely affected if not killed by tobacco products through out the world since 1492?

If whitey, cracker man gave to world tobacco they would be called mass murders”

Well said, and a billion more people died from tobacco than from the so called “infected smallpox blankets”.


45 posted on 10/06/2007 9:40:25 PM PDT by bukkdems (Polygamy requires that you get rid of extra young men. Jihad is the way.)
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To: shield
OK...you’re talking about a completely different time period than when Columbus came to the new world...

The death rate on the east coast was comparable. In some cases it was more than 90%.

46 posted on 10/06/2007 10:01:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: shield

The term “savage” is derived from the Spanish “salvaje” meaning “one who needs salvation.”


47 posted on 10/06/2007 10:04:22 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v229/n5284/abs/229409a0.html

Nature 229, 409 (05 February 1971); doi:10.1038/229409a0

Syphilis and Neanderthal Man

D. J. M. WRIGHT

Department of Venereology, Guy’s Hospital Medical School, London SE1

BONE changes in Neanderthal remains which, it has been suggested1, might be caused by rickets are not unlike those seen in certain treponemal diseases, notably congenital syphilis. Examining the Neanderthal collection at the British Museum (Natural History), I noted several features compatible with treponemal disease.


48 posted on 10/06/2007 10:06:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Coyoteman
At least the Spaniards left large Indian populations behind, and attempted to assimilate those of racially mixed background. The same can't be said of those faggoty British hypocrites, who basically eliminated the indigenous populations everywhere they went and refuse to recognize their illegitimate offspring.

Hypocrisy, thy name is ENGLISH.

49 posted on 10/06/2007 10:06:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: concretebob

“Al Capone died from it in prison.”

Close. But not quite.
IIRC, one of The History Channel shows said he got out early on a
“compassionate”release as he was going mad.
But the Wikipedia (yeah, I know, verify before trusting!) makes it
sound like he got out early (six-and-a-half of an 11-year term)
based on good behaviour.

(excerpt)
...his health declined as his syphilis (contracted as a youth) progressed,
and he spent the last year of his sentence in the prison hospital,
confused and disoriented.[7] Capone completed his term in Alcatraz on
January 6, 1939, and was transferred to the Federal Correctional
Institution at Terminal Island in California, to serve his one-year
misdemeanor sentence. He was released on November 16, 1939, spent a
short time in a hospital, then returned to his home in Palm Island, Florida.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone


50 posted on 10/06/2007 10:11:33 PM PDT by VOA
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