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Phoenix cops call for end to immigration policy in city
Sierra Vista Herald/Review ^ | JACQUES BILLEAUD

Posted on 10/09/2007 5:15:22 PM PDT by SandRat

PHOENIX — A union for police officers broke with leaders of the Phoenix Police Department on Monday in calling for an end to an immigration policy that the union says makes streets in the nation’s fifth largest city more dangerous.

The policy prevents police officers from asking federal immigration authorities for assistance in situations where illegal immigrants commit civil traffic violations.

(Excerpt) Read more at svherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; cops; crimaliens; end; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; joearpaio; phoenix; sanctuary

1 posted on 10/09/2007 5:15:25 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; ...

Illegal Alien Immigration PING


2 posted on 10/09/2007 5:16:10 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

bump


3 posted on 10/09/2007 5:18:55 PM PDT by VOA
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To: SandRat

Pulling for the union, looks like. They’re the ones on the front lines, not the desk jockeys who have to brownnose civic pols.


4 posted on 10/09/2007 5:19:09 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Take your silver spoon and dig your grave)
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To: IslandJeff

I’ll support a union like that.


5 posted on 10/09/2007 5:23:29 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: isrul

Like your tagline. The whole chapter works, too.


6 posted on 10/09/2007 5:26:17 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Take your silver spoon and dig your grave)
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To: IslandJeff

It’s appropriate for the times, I guess.


7 posted on 10/09/2007 5:28:22 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: SandRat

Its long past time to start punishing cities and states that practice sanctuary for illegals.


8 posted on 10/09/2007 5:31:44 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: SandRat

I don’t blame them. The pols make the policy, but in the public opinion the cops get blamed.

The thought of a LEO being reprimanded for enforcing a federal law is just a little disgusting.


9 posted on 10/09/2007 5:33:23 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: (n) The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

There are at least 300,000 illegals in Phoenix (probably more). If those people become afraid to interact with the local police (as witnesses, for example, or when threatened by crime), then there will be an enormous island subculture
which will be entirely ‘lawless’.

There’s no way a city can exist like that; and there’s no way to arrest 300,000 people for being illegal and no place to put them if there was.

Police have to live with the reality of what is, and be practical about crime fighting.

The place to stop illegals is at the border.


10 posted on 10/09/2007 5:52:30 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: SandRat
Phoenix cops call for end to immigration policy in city

GOOD for them !!

IIRC it was Phoenix cops that said the city's murder rate dropped about 30% with some added security @ our border.

11 posted on 10/09/2007 5:57:29 PM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: CondorFlight
...If those people become afraid to interact with the local police (as witnesses, for example, or when threatened by crime), then there will be an enormous island subculture which will be entirely ‘lawless’.

And that's different from the current situation "how"?

12 posted on 10/09/2007 6:08:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: CondorFlight
The place to stop illegals is at the border.

LOL....IIRC, GWB in his book (1999) wrote "the most *compassionate* way to stop illegals is @ the border".

However, years later the feds continue to tell CITIZENS there are no funds to (compassionately ??) stop them @ the border.

Irving, TX is ONE jail in ONE town now deporting 300 illegals every month.....& these are illegals arrested for *other* than immigration crimes.

13 posted on 10/09/2007 6:22:27 PM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: SandRat

The Chief is creating a phony dichotomy. This isn’t about enforcing immigration laws on a daily basis, it’s about simple fairness. Those who ‘only’ committed a traffic violation will, upon being asked for a drivers license, probably produce a phony one. They’ll also be driving without insurance, and probably driving an unregistered vehicle. All of those are crimes. If they’re cited and released, they will have given a phony address and won’t show up in court, making the citation meaningless. So, you end up letting illegals ‘skate’ while legals experience consequences when they disobey the laws.

There’s nothing wrong with insisting on knowing who you’re actually dealing with so you can enforce the laws uniformly. If that involves ICE having to do a fingerprint check because the guy gave you a phony ID, and that check turns up a warrant, so be it.


14 posted on 10/09/2007 6:22:33 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: SandRat

Traitor Sutton is looking for a way to arrest these cops.


15 posted on 10/09/2007 6:26:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: CondorFlight
The place to stop illegals is at the border.

True..but we haven't stopped the 300,000 living in Phoenix. What now? Just turn the other cheek and accept them and the criminal activity?

The idea is to take those who come into contact with law enforcement and turn them over to the Feds for deportation. What's wrong with that?

And don't tell me it will make them hide from the cops. They're already doing that, for the most part.

16 posted on 10/09/2007 6:42:00 PM PDT by HiJinx (Marine to Gen Pace: "Sir, thanks for your service. We’ll take it from here.")
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To: SandRat; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!


17 posted on 10/09/2007 6:43:27 PM PDT by HiJinx (Marine to Gen Pace: "Sir, thanks for your service. We’ll take it from here.")
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To: SandRat; HiJinx

Thanks for the pings, fellows.


18 posted on 10/09/2007 6:44:19 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: CondorFlight
...and there’s no way to arrest 300,000 people for being illegal and no place to put them if there was.

BS. Where there is a will, there is a way. I'm sick of people giving up before we even try.
19 posted on 10/09/2007 6:45:49 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: CondorFlight
"There’s no way a city can exist like that; and there’s no way to arrest 300,000 people for being illegal and no place to put them if there was."

Bull! Cut off all the damn benefits and they will leave themselves.

We will spend about a trillion dollars this year on these criminals!

20 posted on 10/09/2007 7:15:10 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Borax Queen

I’m moving to the Valley soon. Is there an FR Chapter there?

Mahalo,
J-


21 posted on 10/09/2007 7:19:35 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Take your silver spoon and dig your grave)
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To: CondorFlight

The freaking border isn’t that far from Phoenix borrow a bunch of school busses and start a chain.


22 posted on 10/09/2007 7:32:38 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: SandRat

Harris is a police chief which means that he is a political whore, and will do whatever his master, the mayor or equivalent, tells him to do.


23 posted on 10/09/2007 7:35:45 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: IslandJeff; kstewskis
I’m moving to the Valley soon. Is there an FR Chapter there?

Pinging a valley person to answer Jeff's question? (I'm further south, Jeff, and I'd say we don't officially meet...unofficially, yes!)

24 posted on 10/09/2007 8:11:26 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: SandRat
"Harris said the policy centers on immigrants who haven’t committed a crime and are suspected only of entering the country illegally."

Ahhhhh, excuse me did Harris say "centers on immigrants"? If they're immigrants, they are legal.

25 posted on 10/09/2007 8:23:48 PM PDT by Slip18 (Fred Thompson for POTUS 2008)
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To: SandRat

Bump.


26 posted on 10/09/2007 11:06:04 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (This is "Be an Angel Day", do something nice for someone today.)
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To: CondorFlight
So you think a cop should be reprimanded for questioning the citizenship of an illegal?
27 posted on 10/10/2007 2:17:55 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: (n) The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: SandRat

About two years ago I was cruising around on real estate sites looking at the possibilty of buying a second home in AZ, NM, or elsewhere in the Southwest.

These were real estate sites and forums, not political forums like FR, but I was surprised at the huge number of extremely negative comments *by current residents* about the illegal alien problem and how it had effected their communities: lots of expressions about increased crime, trash, drunk driving, etc. And a general sense of less security and even being under seige in some cases.

Obviously I’ve stopped looking for a place in the Southwest. Even St. George Utah seemed to have problems!


28 posted on 10/10/2007 6:57:52 AM PDT by angkor ("California, Is nice to the homeless, California, Supercool to the homeless..." South Park 11.07)
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To: CondorFlight
and there’s no way to arrest 300,000 people for being illegal and no place to put them if there was

Prior to the 1990's, it was routine in both Phoenix and Tucson.

The joke was you could tell who the illegals were because they were the only people actually doing the speed limit.

It was not uncommon to see a car pulled over by the local cops and a green Border Patrol van right behind it - they would call them if they guy didn't speak English, couldn't produce any state or federal ID. And prior to the 80's, legal permanent residents were almost zero in Arizona.

What you just repeated about an island subculture is La Raza talking points propaganda designed to defeat immigration enforcement by disempowering the local police. They first tried that act in Los Angeles in the 70's, and it worked for them. The same immigration enforcement by local police used to be routine there, too, but with that babble speak line they got Special Order 40 implemented.

The police union in Phoenix is simply repeating the same drivel, probably at the urging of La Raza sympathizers and activists in their ranks who were hired under "Affirmative Action" mandates (hire a Conquistador! Pizarro was an oppressed minority!)

When it's too hot to live somewhere because the next traffic stop could mean deportation, you move. For a while people will tough it out and see if they can stay under the radar. But eventually the reality of that will cause the intended attrition.

They ( La Raza / LULAC / MALDEF ) know that and intend to defeat it.

And only defeatists buy that line.

29 posted on 10/10/2007 7:39:35 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: SandRat; HiJinx

Lets hope the union wins this!!! And then it spreads out to all the other departments in the country!!!!


30 posted on 10/10/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by FlashBack (ProudPatriots.Org / WoundedWarriorProject.Org / MoveAmericaForward.Org)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


31 posted on 10/10/2007 9:24:31 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: SandRat
Los Angeles is a sanctuary city. Special Order 40 prevents police from even mentioning or asking about immigration status. This policy helps make Los Angeles illegal alien heaven, and the little jerk Mexican mayor Villaraigosa revels in it.

The police chief (Bratton) has done nothing but suck up to the sanctuary city policy. He's useless.

32 posted on 10/10/2007 9:54:00 AM PDT by janetgreen
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who haven’t committed a crime and are suspected only of entering the country illegally

I didn't catch this until I read it again in your post. He contradicts himself within the same sentence. Orwellian.

33 posted on 10/10/2007 10:33:28 AM PDT by HundredDollars
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To: janetgreen

He needs to be replaced with a Sheriff Joe.


34 posted on 10/10/2007 4:04:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
The policy prevents police officers from asking federal immigration authorities for assistance in situations where illegal immigrants commit civil traffic violations.

Doesn't federal law trump municipal policy?

Under section 642(a) of IIRIRA, a “Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.”

35 posted on 10/10/2007 4:09:48 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I should think so but then,.... it would take an AG in Washington with some .. ahem... to enforce it.


36 posted on 10/10/2007 4:24:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

I’m a big fan of Sheriff Joe. He is BADLY NEEDED here in the illegal alien heaven of Los Angeles, Mexifornia!


37 posted on 10/10/2007 6:01:20 PM PDT by janetgreen
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...it would take an AG in Washington with some .. ahem... to enforce it.

Not to mention a president who'd insist on it.

38 posted on 10/10/2007 6:24:59 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SandRat
So, the final “Stand-Off” has begun.
39 posted on 10/10/2007 7:37:57 PM PDT by modican
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To: CondorFlight

Phoenix changed so much in the 19 years I lived there. Maybe the draconian laws penalizing employers who hire illegals will make a difference. I really hope so! This policy is so stupid... the mayor Phil Gordon is a lightweight in the mold of Terry Goddard.


40 posted on 10/10/2007 11:34:04 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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