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Ranking the GOP contenders (Hunter at bottom)
MSNBC ^ | 10.10.07

Posted on 10/10/2007 6:15:33 AM PDT by meandog

Rudy Giuliani Former New York City mayor Last Ranking: 1 Stars are aligning. It's not his nomination to lose, but there's a clear path to win for him. The latest NBC/WSJ poll shows that three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he's conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with re: conservatism (moral values and immigration).

Mitt Romney Former Massachusetts governor Last Ranking: 3 After languishing a bit for the last month, it seems Romney's camp has a plan for how to tackle Rudy: Ignore Thompson and try to make this a two-person race again.

Fred Thompson Former Tennessee senator Last Ranking: 2 If anyone is in need of a re-launch, it's Thompson.

John McCain Arizona senator Last Ranking: 5 His base (the media) seems desperate to deal him back in, but what's going to happen to McCain if he loses in Iowa to Paul and Huckabee?

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To: meandog

MSNBC admits that they want a Giuliani-Romney Northeastern Liberalfest.

“”1. Rudy Giuliani “Stars are aligning.”
2. Mitt Romney “The good news for Romney? The media seems ready to bite.”
3. Fred Thompson
4. John McCain
5. Ron Paul
6. Mike Huckabee “can we acknowledge that the reason he isn’t getting more traction is that he — not Thompson — is the laziest Republican in the field? Had Huckabee done the hard work two years ago of courting donors and then been willing to go a million miles on a plane to talk to folks who could build a campaign (not simply put his face on TV or his words in print), he’d be in the first tier, raising $8 million or $9 million a quarter.”
7. Sam Brownback There’s no real reason to rank him any more.
8. Duncan Hunter There’s no real reason to rank him any more.
9. Tom Tancredo There’s no real reason to rank him any more. “”


51 posted on 10/10/2007 7:21:41 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: bboop
I really like Duncan Hunter. Those who watched — how do you think he did? I did not see the debates.

I really like him too. But I thought his performance last night was bad. He kept repeating the same thing over and over about China, and his other comments just didn't seem to resonate with anyone in the audience (unfortunately).

52 posted on 10/10/2007 7:23:35 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: The Pack Knight
The article goes on to say, "It'll be interesting to see which of the front-runners actually 'gets it' and tries to co-opt some of Paul's supporters." I think a candidate who comes out with a hard-line small-government but pro-defense message can benefit from a defection by the less committed (or committable) Paul supporters. Fred can certainly be this candidate if he can clearly and forcefully articulate that his "first principles" would, in a Thompson Administration, include a strong push for a drastic reduction in the size, scope, intrusiveness, and expense of the federal government.

I did think that Freds strongest part of the debate was his answers to WOT. That was what I was looking for, and honestly Mitt fell in my estimation for that topic (otherwise I though Mitt was good), but to tell you the truth, he still didn't show leadership of those issues.

When it comes to WOT, Fred did go up in my book. He will not however, move up to my #1 until I truly think he can beat Hillary, and sorry I did not see him beating anyone last night. He was middle of the pack, and we need more. He has a few more months to prove himself, so maybe a foreign policy debate will improve his chances, but I just did not see him attracting any new voters last night, and if he can't do that in his own party primaries how is he to do that with the general public.

53 posted on 10/10/2007 7:23:47 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Just A Nobody

Nice YouTube, thanks for posting. He’s my man.


54 posted on 10/10/2007 7:24:46 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

I thought Duncan Hunter did great. Especially in the beginning. Towards the end, although he did not falter, I think some of the others “caught” up so finished middle of the pack. I don’t think he had any huge blunders (depending on what your attitude on Free Trade is).


55 posted on 10/10/2007 7:26:09 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: ClearCase_guy
"My top 3 choices are Hunter, Thompson and Romney. They could combine in any way, and I'd be OK."

I'd have to agree with you there.

In a head to head matchup with Hitlery, I wonder which of the three candidates would fare best?

56 posted on 10/10/2007 7:27:24 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: LibLieSlayer
I really think that the atty thing is a direct result of the left's making life so difficult for W..and W having to check out so much before doing ANYthing. The reality is that the left is waiting to pounce and you better have your ducks in a row before making a move, or they'll start screaming "impeach" again and again.

I'm a Hunter lover, but I really think Romney MEANT to say that you make sure you're making decisions that are legal.

I'm SURE glad I don't have to speak "under a microscope" like these guys. EVERY phrase is dissected and scrutinized...it is NOT easy to do. You have to check the words multiple times in your head, before they leave your mouth. We need to give them all a break.

57 posted on 10/10/2007 7:28:27 AM PDT by NordP (If illegal alien = "undocumented immigrant" then drug dealer = "unlicensed pharmacist")
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To: wastedyears

On The Issues....duncanHunter_logo

FAIR & EQUITABLE TRADE

Fair Trade, Not Free Trade = Jobs / Packed House in Mission Valley

China Cheating  on Trade / America is a GREAT Nation

SECOND AMENDMENT

Glen & Helen Show / CA Bullet Serialization / A Keyboard and a .45 /Armed & Free

ECONOMY & TAXES

Address to Fair Tax Rally 05-15-07 / Address to CPAC / Fiscal Conservativism

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD

Iraq Resolution / Hunter vs. Democrats / Surge is Working

Senate Amnesty Bill / Amnesty Fails / Amnesty Fails Again  / Hunter Vs. Murtha

LEGAL REFORM

Gonzales Firings / Pardon Scooter? / ”Fairness” Doctrine

Border Agents Compean & Ramos / Defending Border Agents

ENDORSEMENTS

Appeal to Conservatives / General Chuck Yeager / Conservative Voice

Ann Coulter / Magnificent! / Favorite

Announcement – Part 1 & Part 2 / Music Video On the Road to the Oval Office

Conservative Case / A Fresh Face / Blog Collection / Constitution Party / Grassroots HQ

EDUCATION

No Child Left Behind

HEALTHCARE

Ronald Reagan Health Care / ‘National’ HealthCare / “One step closer to socialism”

IMMIGRATION

Border Enforcement is Homeland Security / NAFTA / Secure Border

Building a Fence / “Jobs Americans won’t do”? / Wake Up America 07-19-07

Enforce the Law / No Amnesty / Party of One / Ted Hayes

SAFETY & SECURITY

Dubai Ports / Cooking with Hunter / War On Terror / To America’s Critics / JFK Plot

Mark Steyn on 1986 Amnesty / Firefighter’s Forum / CSIS Forum / Katrina Summit

FAITH & VALUES

Blogs for Life / Judicial Appointments / Right to Life Rally / Hunter's Faith

Terri Shaivo / Mt. Soledad Cross  - Flyer / Roe vs. Wade / Hate Crimes

INTERVIEWS

Dennis Miller (June 1st – 3rd Hour) / Michael Illions

Roger Hedgecock (4/6, 4/24, 4/25, 6/8, 6/29, 7/2, 7/17, 7/19)

Laura Ingraham – Part 1 & Part 2 / Steve Malzberg 06-19-07

Brian Preston – Hot Air / William Gheen - ALIPAC

WRKO Pundit Review Radio / Polipundit Radio / Tom McLaughlin

Kevin McCullough – Musclehead Revolution / John Hawkins

NHPR’s Laura Knoy on The Exchange / Irving Baxter

WESH – Orlando (Conversation with the Candidate) / Wolf Blitzer

 Hardball 07-30-2007 / Hardball - Al Sharpton / George Stephanopolis

 Charlie Rangel – Part 1 & Part 2 / Dennis Kucinich – Part 1 & Part 2

Glenn Beck / JD Hayworth 1 & 2 / Tom McLaughlin / Neil Cavuto

DEBATES

Reagan Library 05-03-07 / After Interview

South Carolina 05-15-07 / Fox Interview

New Hampshire 06-05-07 / Spin Room - NH/ Lynne Hunter

Iowa Presidential Candidate Forum 06-30-07

Iowa 08-05-07 / Hunter vs Paul / After the Debate / De Moines 07-06-07

POLLS

Hunter Beats McCain / Maricopa County, Arizona 01-13-07

Spartanburg, South Carolina 03-01-07 / SC GOP Conventions 04-16-07

Anderson County, South Carolina 04-17-07 / Free Republic / Coryell, Tx / Texas Win

ADDITIONAL AUDIO & VIDEOS

Young Republicans - Part1 - Part2 - Part3 / Texas Straw Poll Speech

Core Principles / BIG STORY WEEKEND with Julie Bandaras / Latest Articles

Brian & the Judge: 01-10-2007 / 02-08-2007 / 03-12-2007/ Cost of WH Run

The Right Balance hosted by Greg Allen / Still in the Race / Duncan D. Hunter

 


58 posted on 10/10/2007 7:28:39 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I agree. I'm a Hunter lover, but I would like to see Giuliani debate with Hillary though...THAT would be fun to watch, too.

Oh heck...put her in the middle and have our guys around her and up a level and let the games begin ;-)

59 posted on 10/10/2007 7:30:50 AM PDT by NordP (If illegal alien = "undocumented immigrant" then drug dealer = "unlicensed pharmacist")
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.”


The GOP elite want him there, too.


60 posted on 10/10/2007 7:31:55 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: meandog
The whole list:

1.      Rudy Giuliani
Former New York City mayor  Last Ranking: 1
Stars are aligning. It's not his nomination to lose, but there's a clear path to win for him. The latest NBC/WSJ poll shows that three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he's conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with re: conservatism (moral values and immigration). If the primary becomes a referendum on those two issues, Rudy's in trouble -- but so far, it's not. The electability thing seems to be an added trump card, but how does he make peace with the Christian conservative activist crowd? Does he do a sit-down? Is he making personal phone calls? What's Ted Olson up to behind the scenes?

2.    Mitt Romney
Former Massachusetts governor  Last Ranking: 3
After languishing a bit for the last month, it seems Romney's camp has a plan for how to tackle Rudy: Ignore Thompson and try to make this a two-person race again. The good news for Romney? The media seems ready to bite.

3.    Fred Thompson
Former Tennessee senator  Last Ranking: 2
If anyone is in need of a re-launch, it's Thompson. It seems silly after just a month, but he needs something to go against the media stereotype that's hardening on him. Not sure what we'd suggest (not our job), but we're wondering: Where is this different kind of campaign he promised?

4.    John McCain
Arizona senator  Last Ranking: 5
His base (the media) seems desperate to deal him back in, but what's going to happen to McCain if he loses in Iowa to Paul and Huckabee? Can he really turn it around again in New Hampshire?

5.      Ron Paul
Texas congressman   Last Ranking: 7
Look who's crashing the party! His $5 million is impressive because no one on the GOP side is raising BIG bucks. And don't write off Paul's supporters as simply angry anti-U.N. black helicopter types. There's been anger from the GOP's less-government libertarian wing for some time, and Paul may be becoming the protest vehicle for those folks. It'll be interesting to see which of the front-runners actually "gets it" and tries to co-opt some of Paul's supporters.

6.    Mike Huckabee
Former Arkansas governor  Last Ranking: 4
A lot of our colleagues love to talk up Huckabee, and there's no question he's been great at the debates. But can we acknowledge that the reason he isn't getting more traction is that he -- not Thompson -- is the laziest Republican in the field? Had Huckabee done the hard work two years ago of courting donors and then been willing to go a million miles on a plane to talk to folks who could build a campaign (not simply put his face on TV or his words in print), he'd be in the first tier, raising $8 million or $9 million a quarter.

7.      Sam Brownback
Kansas senator  Last Ranking: 6
There's no real reason to rank him any more.

8.      Duncan Hunter
California Congressman  Last Ranking: 9
There's no real reason to rank him any more.

9.      Tom Tancredo
Colorado Congressman  Last Ranking: 8
There's no real reason to rank him any more.



61 posted on 10/10/2007 7:32:19 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

My top 3 choices are Hunter, Thompson and Romney.

I would be happy with any one of them on the ticket or both slots. I think that Hunter-Romney or Hunter-Thompson would be a very good solution. A Romney-Hunter would work for me too. Either way we have some really great candidates. I for one can’t wait until the primaries are over and FREEPERS will get down to the real work of getting a Republican conservative into the White House in 2008. The bickering is a bit old, but from what I understand it was like this in 2003-4 while picking the last President so I guess it is par for the course.


62 posted on 10/10/2007 7:36:15 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: xzins

Ditto


63 posted on 10/10/2007 7:37:53 AM PDT by Right_Rev (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

You may like Rudy’s 12 commitments, but there is no mention of Second Amendment rights and a commitment to that. And that bothers me. Very much. To the point where I’ll never vote for him


64 posted on 10/10/2007 7:39:09 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Just A Nobody
THAT was GREAT! Thanks for telling us about the YouTube link!

SEE POST #47

65 posted on 10/10/2007 7:43:32 AM PDT by NordP (If illegal alien = "undocumented immigrant" then drug dealer = "unlicensed pharmacist")
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To: meandog

I’m voting for Hunter or I’m voting for nobody. Come what may.


66 posted on 10/10/2007 7:49:46 AM PDT by BeckB
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I’ll never vote for: The Beast, Obama, McCain, Romney or Guilliani, no matter how amusing it would be to hear Sean Hannity say President “Gee-oo-li-annie” every day for four years. *SNORT*

Which means, I suppose, you'll take draft-dodging girlie men Romney and Edwards, kooky Ron Paul and Gorum look-a-like Dennis Kooksinich, political hacks Biden or Brownback; and dilberts like Dodd and Tancredo? As for me, the only votes I'll cast are for McCain, Hunter, Huckabee and Thompson.

67 posted on 10/10/2007 7:55:07 AM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: NordP; bboop

Glad you enjoyed it! This way you don’t have to wade through all the other junk. ;*)


68 posted on 10/10/2007 7:55:23 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: bboop
I really like Duncan Hunter. Those who watched — how do you think he did? I did not see the debates.

He did well BUT Duncan Hunter still has no name recognition due to a perfidy amongst the MSM. Anyone who knows his life story and his service to his country would be proud to vote for him. Still, he doesn't seem to have much of a chance--best bet is 2nd place on a ticket.

69 posted on 10/10/2007 8:00:30 AM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
I think, if Rudy becomes the nominee, that at the convention our other party platforms become dominant. For example, much like the last convention, WOT will take center stage. The economic issues (lower taxes, less spending) will hopefully make a comeback, and I think Rudy leaves the rest to the other speakers.

I really think he will let others lead on the social issues, maybe via a conservative VP, and he will probably speak in generalities on subjects like his judicial nominees.

That may not be enough for many here, but maybe it will pacify some. I, personally, besides health care, think that social issues will not play too much into the general election. It will be national security, and economic future. Two points that Rudy shines over Hillary. If he (or any other candidate) can portray her as an appeaser on WOT he will win.

70 posted on 10/10/2007 8:06:01 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: LibLieSlayer
mitt pledging to consult attorneys FIRST before using the Military to defend our security ended his candidacy last night. No rootie or mitt... ever

Yup. Typical from the Romulan. What's up with that? I can just see the real scenario now: MIRVed ICBM warheads coming in from the future Islamic caliphate and Mutt gets on the phone with lawyers to see if it would be okay if one of our future sea-based Aegis baseline BMD warships take it out.

71 posted on 10/10/2007 8:09:00 AM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there"

Well big international interests don't like Hunter either for his position on protecting American jobs from the job-traders. What they did to Perot and Buchanan is happening to Hunter. Media is just the instrument of death.

72 posted on 10/10/2007 8:21:03 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: joe fonebone

Thompson/Hunter would be a great ticket because it would put California into play more than what the Democrats would want. There are a finite number of V.P. possibilities for the GOP that would work well. Two of the more interesting eventual V.P. possibilities for the GOP are Michael Steele or Sarah Palin.


73 posted on 10/10/2007 8:32:13 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: meandog
mitt is just an empty 2800.00 liberal suit that looks like a dim... walks like a dim... governs like a dim... and in all but name IS a dim.

LLS

74 posted on 10/10/2007 8:37:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

hunter is a good candidate, but does not have the name recognition.....8 years as vp, and he will be ready for his 8 years


75 posted on 10/10/2007 8:42:25 AM PDT by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: meandog

Then why is L. Ron still ranked?


76 posted on 10/10/2007 8:42:35 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Keith

You mean the VERY SILLY PARTY. I believe that John Cleese even ran for mayor somewhere in California, if anyone knows anything about this.


77 posted on 10/10/2007 8:43:48 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: meandog

WTF? Of course not. They’re not even worth mentioning because they’re all socialist nut cases and have an ice cube’s chance.

As for supporting any draft-dodging...I’m retired Army. ‘Nuf said. :)


78 posted on 10/10/2007 8:47:39 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SunStar

You are correct. Their impact on the debate is minimal now and they should drop out.


79 posted on 10/10/2007 8:56:08 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: jonathanmo

I meant until I get to pull the lever on a candidate...November, 2008.


80 posted on 10/10/2007 8:58:12 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.

Kind of hard to fight against the MSM and the RINO's in your own party at the same time.

I will NEVER vote for Rudy. Period.

81 posted on 10/10/2007 9:01:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: NordP

I agree. We do have a handful of worthy candidates for a change, much to the chagrin of the MSM. :)


82 posted on 10/10/2007 9:02:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: xzins
“I am one of those voters, and I will NEVER vote for him. “

Hildibeast loves you. Don’t you feel loved?

83 posted on 10/10/2007 9:11:56 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
Hildibeast should be sending money to the GOP right now. Any "real" conservative would whipe the floor with her. As it is, by the GOP's alienation of their base by pushing RINO's like McInsane and Rooty, they ensure a Hillary White House.

Bitch at them. Not us.

84 posted on 10/10/2007 9:14:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: monday
Years from now, a book will be written about the Willing Executioners of America which will ask the question, "Didn't Americans know that over 50 million people were killed during this time period??"

I will be able to answer -- and I will be able to tell my children -- that, yes, I did know about it. And I never once voted for someone who wanted to continue the practice.

It means a great deal to me.

85 posted on 10/10/2007 9:15:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Dead Corpse
“Bitch at them. Not us.”

I am not bitching at anyone. Just asking if you can feel the love! The GOP is imploding. I think I’ll go over to underground rodents and watch the Dem’s implode for a change. It’s got to be more entertaining that this.

86 posted on 10/10/2007 9:34:04 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
The GOP is imploding.

And it's the GOP "leaderships" fault. For not adhering to their core principles, they are screwing us all.

87 posted on 10/10/2007 9:40:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: meandog
These rankings are ordered by likelihood of winning the Republican Party primary and are based on a number of factors, including organization, money, buzz and polling.

In other words, more leftist dribble. Who cares?

"Buzz." Is that some new super-duper, new-fandangled, mega-scientific new rating method?

Vote for the best candidate and ignore what the leftists want you to do.

88 posted on 10/10/2007 9:43:35 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Rudy is a fraud.

Go look at the transcript of the debate. He dodged every question to offer up a redmeat, pre-scripted soundbite.

His 12 Commitments don’t represent what he believes (as evidenced by his record), but what some campaign adviser wrote for him so that you would drink the koolaid.

And WHY on earth would you believe Rudy would be ANY better than Bush on immigration? More koolaid, IMO.


89 posted on 10/10/2007 9:47:52 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.”

YUP.

And Rudy is #1 in part because of the same media.


90 posted on 10/10/2007 10:22:34 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: donnab

Er, latest poll from Des Moines Register has Romney leading in Iowa at 30% and Thompson at 18%.

Good new - Rudy is in 4th place!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299977,00.html

“Laughing with the glee.”
Glad to hear, as long as you don’t cackle like Hillary. :-)


91 posted on 10/10/2007 10:26:39 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: napscoordinator

“My top 3 choices are Hunter, Thompson and Romney.”

Likewise.

And likewise I dislike excessive sniping and bashing of GOP candidates. Pointing out issues and concerns on a candidate is one thing, but some go out of their way to pick nits and attack other candidates personally.


92 posted on 10/10/2007 10:31:42 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

“Would the existing party’s leaders alter it’s planks on issues like abortion and stem-cell research, or would a convention dominated by Giuliani supporters rewrite the party platform on such issues, or would he take the stage to accept the nomination promising to campaign against the party platform or to to promise somehow split the difference ... It’s just very, very hard for me to comprehend how this would work.”

Simple. Rudy only gets the nomination if the GOP primary voters let him by voting for him.

Those GOP primary voters are the ones who decide the fate of the party: Will we be a party of certain principles or a party that decides its core principle is “whoever can beat Hillary is good”?

I for one don’t recall any plank in the previous platforms that said the latter. It would indeed be a conundrum to try to reconcile the platform with the candidate, and neither would look good at the end of the process. But Rudy will not be to blame for this, the GOP primary voters would be.

And those pro-Rudy primary voters would have the responsibility of keeping the party alive after splitting it in two like that.


93 posted on 10/10/2007 10:40:39 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

“To take just one example, I have a hard time imagining the actual mechanics of a Giuliani nomination.”

“Would there be a Republican party, as we understand it, left standing afterwards?”

Let me start by saying that so far I’m neutral for the 08 election. However I’ve been watching the races shape up, and as an impartial observer, here’s what I think is happening.
I think that the moderate or liberal wing of the GOP is trying to separate the values voters from the party. I also think the reason for this is simply long term pragmatic political strategy. The states that are solidly made up of values voters are the southern states and the western mountain states. (I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of values voters in other states, so this isn’t flame-bait) just that the southern and western states are majority values voters.
With the immigration of retiring baby boomers from the northeast and the west coast to the southern and western states (VA, CO, and to some extent ID, and NC)
The Republicans from the west coast, and north east seem to be more socially moderate/liberal. They mostly seem to care about tax cuts, education, and healthcare. Not God, guns, and gays. Take VA. Jim Webb ran as a conservative democrat, by the time his first term is up there will have been 6 more years worth of socially liberal/fiscal conservatives that have moved into VA. The same goes for the other “border states” that are turning more and more purple as more people move into them from back east or out west.
The bedrock red areas are getting smaller geographically.
If the moderate/liberal wing of the GOP can separate the values voters, they will be in a much better position over the next 15-20 years to re-take the re-aligned southern states, with major gains in the midwest, west coast, and northeast. It’s just my opinion, but it’s my belief that the national leadership of the GOP doesn’t really plan on winning this year anyway, so why not run Rudy? He appeals to the moderate/liberal Republicans, and has the added plus of further alienating the values voters, who the moderates want to purge anyway. I think the GOP is willing to gamble that with moderate/liberal candidates, they can more than make up for the votes they lose if the values voters walk.(I also think, and again it’s just my opinion, that the moderate/liberal Republicans see the values voters as something of an embarrassment, like a nutty aunt living in the attic. The Foley, Vitter, Graig episodes didn’t help).
It’s also my belief that this strategy started a long time ago, and hit critical mass after Karl Rove leveraged the values voters. Both wins were squeakers, and with the red states getting more purple, the alliance isn’t looking to remain viable for much longer. I know someone will bring up the point that the alliance would have worked, had the GOP really held up their end of the bargain, but the leadership had to have known from day one that it would be impossible to deliver on most of the values voters expectations, so instead they built the alliance and bucked the tiger till it throwed and ate em, and now they’ll regroup...form a new alliance with moderate Republicans and Conservative Democrats and start over. I believe we are witnessing the first steps of this sea change.
Ok those are my observations. This wasn’t meant to get any one group POd, just something to consider.


94 posted on 10/10/2007 10:54:07 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: codercpc
I, personally, besides health care, think that social issues will not play too much into the general election.

I agree. Social issues will have very little play in the election. Health care and the economy will be the big players. People have become complacent about terrorism and the war in Iraq is a back-burner issue as most Americans don't have a loved-one over there fighting it.

On election day, the presidency will be decided by swing voters --people that won't make a decision on who they'll vote for until they step into the voting booth and these people don't really have strong opinions on anything.

95 posted on 10/10/2007 10:57:00 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Keith

Don’t forget that if Hunter can hang in there as other low-polling candidates drop out, his percentage of exposure will go up and it will become progressively harder for the media to ignore him. That durability will prompt more voters to actually take a look at him, his stands, his record, and his expertise.

Also, much closer than this to the ‘92 election, a certain Democrat was tagged as a “political corpse” by the major media. The corpse went on to spend 8 years in the White House.

Do not make the mistake of presuming that today’s snapshot is a picture of the race a few months from now.


96 posted on 10/10/2007 11:04:39 AM PDT by william clark (DH4WH08 - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: meandog
Ranking the GOP contenders (Hunter at bottom)

What's that rap, rap, rapping
On that coffin lid tapping
Just the final nail being driven more
On the GOP party's door
Conservatives tossed out in the cold
The soul of the GOP to liberals sold
For 30 silver illegal votes in a bag
While conservatives weep, the liberals brag.
GOP, we conservatives knew you well.
Remember we warned you, when you wake in political hell.

97 posted on 10/10/2007 11:25:37 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: xzins

That’s exactly the way I see it. The day the Republican party condones the murder of innocent life in the womb is the day the Republican party dies.


98 posted on 10/10/2007 12:09:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I owe you one for some timely guidance last year. Thanks for being there.


99 posted on 10/10/2007 12:16:46 PM PDT by xzins (If conservatives will just agree to murdering their children, then Rudy might win the presidency!)
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To: meandog
The posts on this thread are virtually all “how such-and-such looked to ME.

No concept of how they looked, and would look, to OTHERS - meaning all the various groups involved in the voting public.

The only person yesterday who would appeal to young voters was Mitt Romney. He has charisma, good looks, and after you listen to him, you feel better instead of worse (as with most politicians including Hillary).

Being a person of serious religious belief, who has lived according to these beliefs, has seemingly given him this optimism and this ability to make others feel good. Romney is going to do alright.

100 posted on 10/10/2007 12:48:16 PM PDT by mtntop3
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