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Ranking the GOP contenders (Hunter at bottom)
MSNBC ^ | 10.10.07

Posted on 10/10/2007 6:15:33 AM PDT by meandog

Rudy Giuliani Former New York City mayor Last Ranking: 1 Stars are aligning. It's not his nomination to lose, but there's a clear path to win for him. The latest NBC/WSJ poll shows that three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he's conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with re: conservatism (moral values and immigration).

Mitt Romney Former Massachusetts governor Last Ranking: 3 After languishing a bit for the last month, it seems Romney's camp has a plan for how to tackle Rudy: Ignore Thompson and try to make this a two-person race again.

Fred Thompson Former Tennessee senator Last Ranking: 2 If anyone is in need of a re-launch, it's Thompson.

John McCain Arizona senator Last Ranking: 5 His base (the media) seems desperate to deal him back in, but what's going to happen to McCain if he loses in Iowa to Paul and Huckabee?

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; candidates; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; gop; hunter; romney
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To: ClearCase_guy
Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.

Kind of hard to fight against the MSM and the RINO's in your own party at the same time.

I will NEVER vote for Rudy. Period.

81 posted on 10/10/2007 9:01:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: NordP

I agree. We do have a handful of worthy candidates for a change, much to the chagrin of the MSM. :)


82 posted on 10/10/2007 9:02:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: xzins
“I am one of those voters, and I will NEVER vote for him. “

Hildibeast loves you. Don’t you feel loved?

83 posted on 10/10/2007 9:11:56 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
Hildibeast should be sending money to the GOP right now. Any "real" conservative would whipe the floor with her. As it is, by the GOP's alienation of their base by pushing RINO's like McInsane and Rooty, they ensure a Hillary White House.

Bitch at them. Not us.

84 posted on 10/10/2007 9:14:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: monday
Years from now, a book will be written about the Willing Executioners of America which will ask the question, "Didn't Americans know that over 50 million people were killed during this time period??"

I will be able to answer -- and I will be able to tell my children -- that, yes, I did know about it. And I never once voted for someone who wanted to continue the practice.

It means a great deal to me.

85 posted on 10/10/2007 9:15:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Dead Corpse
“Bitch at them. Not us.”

I am not bitching at anyone. Just asking if you can feel the love! The GOP is imploding. I think I’ll go over to underground rodents and watch the Dem’s implode for a change. It’s got to be more entertaining that this.

86 posted on 10/10/2007 9:34:04 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
The GOP is imploding.

And it's the GOP "leaderships" fault. For not adhering to their core principles, they are screwing us all.

87 posted on 10/10/2007 9:40:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: meandog
These rankings are ordered by likelihood of winning the Republican Party primary and are based on a number of factors, including organization, money, buzz and polling.

In other words, more leftist dribble. Who cares?

"Buzz." Is that some new super-duper, new-fandangled, mega-scientific new rating method?

Vote for the best candidate and ignore what the leftists want you to do.

88 posted on 10/10/2007 9:43:35 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Rudy is a fraud.

Go look at the transcript of the debate. He dodged every question to offer up a redmeat, pre-scripted soundbite.

His 12 Commitments don’t represent what he believes (as evidenced by his record), but what some campaign adviser wrote for him so that you would drink the koolaid.

And WHY on earth would you believe Rudy would be ANY better than Bush on immigration? More koolaid, IMO.


89 posted on 10/10/2007 9:47:52 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.”

YUP.

And Rudy is #1 in part because of the same media.


90 posted on 10/10/2007 10:22:34 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: donnab

Er, latest poll from Des Moines Register has Romney leading in Iowa at 30% and Thompson at 18%.

Good new - Rudy is in 4th place!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299977,00.html

“Laughing with the glee.”
Glad to hear, as long as you don’t cackle like Hillary. :-)


91 posted on 10/10/2007 10:26:39 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: napscoordinator

“My top 3 choices are Hunter, Thompson and Romney.”

Likewise.

And likewise I dislike excessive sniping and bashing of GOP candidates. Pointing out issues and concerns on a candidate is one thing, but some go out of their way to pick nits and attack other candidates personally.


92 posted on 10/10/2007 10:31:42 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

“Would the existing party’s leaders alter it’s planks on issues like abortion and stem-cell research, or would a convention dominated by Giuliani supporters rewrite the party platform on such issues, or would he take the stage to accept the nomination promising to campaign against the party platform or to to promise somehow split the difference ... It’s just very, very hard for me to comprehend how this would work.”

Simple. Rudy only gets the nomination if the GOP primary voters let him by voting for him.

Those GOP primary voters are the ones who decide the fate of the party: Will we be a party of certain principles or a party that decides its core principle is “whoever can beat Hillary is good”?

I for one don’t recall any plank in the previous platforms that said the latter. It would indeed be a conundrum to try to reconcile the platform with the candidate, and neither would look good at the end of the process. But Rudy will not be to blame for this, the GOP primary voters would be.

And those pro-Rudy primary voters would have the responsibility of keeping the party alive after splitting it in two like that.


93 posted on 10/10/2007 10:40:39 AM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

“To take just one example, I have a hard time imagining the actual mechanics of a Giuliani nomination.”

“Would there be a Republican party, as we understand it, left standing afterwards?”

Let me start by saying that so far I’m neutral for the 08 election. However I’ve been watching the races shape up, and as an impartial observer, here’s what I think is happening.
I think that the moderate or liberal wing of the GOP is trying to separate the values voters from the party. I also think the reason for this is simply long term pragmatic political strategy. The states that are solidly made up of values voters are the southern states and the western mountain states. (I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of values voters in other states, so this isn’t flame-bait) just that the southern and western states are majority values voters.
With the immigration of retiring baby boomers from the northeast and the west coast to the southern and western states (VA, CO, and to some extent ID, and NC)
The Republicans from the west coast, and north east seem to be more socially moderate/liberal. They mostly seem to care about tax cuts, education, and healthcare. Not God, guns, and gays. Take VA. Jim Webb ran as a conservative democrat, by the time his first term is up there will have been 6 more years worth of socially liberal/fiscal conservatives that have moved into VA. The same goes for the other “border states” that are turning more and more purple as more people move into them from back east or out west.
The bedrock red areas are getting smaller geographically.
If the moderate/liberal wing of the GOP can separate the values voters, they will be in a much better position over the next 15-20 years to re-take the re-aligned southern states, with major gains in the midwest, west coast, and northeast. It’s just my opinion, but it’s my belief that the national leadership of the GOP doesn’t really plan on winning this year anyway, so why not run Rudy? He appeals to the moderate/liberal Republicans, and has the added plus of further alienating the values voters, who the moderates want to purge anyway. I think the GOP is willing to gamble that with moderate/liberal candidates, they can more than make up for the votes they lose if the values voters walk.(I also think, and again it’s just my opinion, that the moderate/liberal Republicans see the values voters as something of an embarrassment, like a nutty aunt living in the attic. The Foley, Vitter, Graig episodes didn’t help).
It’s also my belief that this strategy started a long time ago, and hit critical mass after Karl Rove leveraged the values voters. Both wins were squeakers, and with the red states getting more purple, the alliance isn’t looking to remain viable for much longer. I know someone will bring up the point that the alliance would have worked, had the GOP really held up their end of the bargain, but the leadership had to have known from day one that it would be impossible to deliver on most of the values voters expectations, so instead they built the alliance and bucked the tiger till it throwed and ate em, and now they’ll regroup...form a new alliance with moderate Republicans and Conservative Democrats and start over. I believe we are witnessing the first steps of this sea change.
Ok those are my observations. This wasn’t meant to get any one group POd, just something to consider.


94 posted on 10/10/2007 10:54:07 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: codercpc
I, personally, besides health care, think that social issues will not play too much into the general election.

I agree. Social issues will have very little play in the election. Health care and the economy will be the big players. People have become complacent about terrorism and the war in Iraq is a back-burner issue as most Americans don't have a loved-one over there fighting it.

On election day, the presidency will be decided by swing voters --people that won't make a decision on who they'll vote for until they step into the voting booth and these people don't really have strong opinions on anything.

95 posted on 10/10/2007 10:57:00 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Keith

Don’t forget that if Hunter can hang in there as other low-polling candidates drop out, his percentage of exposure will go up and it will become progressively harder for the media to ignore him. That durability will prompt more voters to actually take a look at him, his stands, his record, and his expertise.

Also, much closer than this to the ‘92 election, a certain Democrat was tagged as a “political corpse” by the major media. The corpse went on to spend 8 years in the White House.

Do not make the mistake of presuming that today’s snapshot is a picture of the race a few months from now.


96 posted on 10/10/2007 11:04:39 AM PDT by william clark (DH4WH08 - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: meandog
Ranking the GOP contenders (Hunter at bottom)

What's that rap, rap, rapping
On that coffin lid tapping
Just the final nail being driven more
On the GOP party's door
Conservatives tossed out in the cold
The soul of the GOP to liberals sold
For 30 silver illegal votes in a bag
While conservatives weep, the liberals brag.
GOP, we conservatives knew you well.
Remember we warned you, when you wake in political hell.

97 posted on 10/10/2007 11:25:37 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: xzins

That’s exactly the way I see it. The day the Republican party condones the murder of innocent life in the womb is the day the Republican party dies.


98 posted on 10/10/2007 12:09:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I owe you one for some timely guidance last year. Thanks for being there.


99 posted on 10/10/2007 12:16:46 PM PDT by xzins (If conservatives will just agree to murdering their children, then Rudy might win the presidency!)
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To: meandog
The posts on this thread are virtually all “how such-and-such looked to ME.

No concept of how they looked, and would look, to OTHERS - meaning all the various groups involved in the voting public.

The only person yesterday who would appeal to young voters was Mitt Romney. He has charisma, good looks, and after you listen to him, you feel better instead of worse (as with most politicians including Hillary).

Being a person of serious religious belief, who has lived according to these beliefs, has seemingly given him this optimism and this ability to make others feel good. Romney is going to do alright.

100 posted on 10/10/2007 12:48:16 PM PDT by mtntop3
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