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Fred Doesn't Fall: Thompson makes it through his first debate
Slate ^ | October 10, 2007 | John Dickerson

Posted on 10/10/2007 8:54:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If Fred Thompson is lazy, he sure didn't act it preparing for his first debate. Over two weeks, the former Tennessee senator and his aides held more than half a dozen question-and-answer sessions. Bush's first economic adviser, Larry Lindsey, was involved, as were Vice President Cheney's daughter Liz Cheney and GOP veteran Mary Matalin. There were also two full-blown rehearsals in which Liz Cheney's husband played John McCain, Rep. Adam Putnam stood in for Mitt Romney, and former New York Sen. Al D'Amato played Rudy Giuliani. To add verisimilitude to his character, D'Amato pretended to take a phone call in the middle of one session.

The preparation paid off. Thompson didn't win the night—Rudy Giuliani did—but he got through gaffe-free and at times seemed informed and in command. He came off as genuinely unaffected instead of irritatingly folksy. This may seem like a limited achievement, and it was, but Thompson has had such tough going recently that even a limited success is a win for him. Nervous staffers can now feel a little better about their boss, and disaffected GOP voters anxious to believe that Thompson is the candidate they've been looking for were given enough material to extend their dream.

The low expectations that Thompson cleared were a little phony. In retrospect, it shouldn't surprise us that an actor trained in memorizing short snippets of dialogue was able to perform in a setting where candidates are cut off if they speak in anything but short snippets of dialogue. But for those who watch debates like car races—only for the crashes—Thompson's first appearance had offered promise.(continued)

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Not too bad for a liberal website, except their saying Fred trails Rudy in South Carolina--he doesn't. (See RealClearPolitics)
1 posted on 10/10/2007 8:55:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stands to reason. CFR member Fred is prompted by this globalist CFR administration to shine. This administration who is pushing to get L.O.S.T. passed, and get comprehensive amnesty for illegals sneaked into any bill coming up; who has signed away our sovereignty with the NAU, and is now pushing to get one of their very own nominated to inherit “the throne”. No thank you very much!


2 posted on 10/10/2007 9:05:37 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Paperdoll

Yeah, that’s why Chrissy Matthews, Saturday Night Live, George Will, and 98% of the drive-by media are going after him hammer & tongs. Right, that’s them trying to get him coronated as King of the NAU. Do you realize how freaking silly you sound? You’re a Hunterite? You sound more like a Paulestinian to me...


3 posted on 10/10/2007 9:10:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred? An absolute outrage, I mean who the heck wants some Mayor of Massachusets as President. Those people haven’t gotten over their energy crisis yet, what would he know?


4 posted on 10/10/2007 9:15:39 PM PDT by Professional
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now, did I call you any names for how you view the situation?

The country is just where it is because no one wants to listen to what has been going on for decades now, or take the responsibility to do anything about it.

Actually, I’ve heard some rather nice things said about Fred Thompson’s appearance in the debate, though I think Duncan Hunter called him out royally.

It could be he is just a nice guy who is being used. It wouldn’t be the first time.


5 posted on 10/10/2007 9:18:02 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Paperdoll
CFR member Fred is prompted by this globalist CFR administration to shine.

Don't forget the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission .

< / sarc >

6 posted on 10/10/2007 9:21:22 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Paperdoll
He doesn't sound nearly as silly as the folks do who think Fred is a "conservative's conservative".

He lets Clinton off the hook on obstruction of justice charges, and his NBC/Hollywood pals reward him with more face time. Now he's recognizable because America watches TV.

The drivebys are going after him because they see him as a threat to Hillary.

Fred's a midget when you compare his record to Hunter's.

7 posted on 10/10/2007 9:22:26 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Paperdoll

At least Fred knows the correct procedure if he ever has to take out certain Nuclear, Military and Industrial complexes that threaten the lives and safety of Americans... He also does not have to ask his “attorney’s” what to do... he is an experienced US Attorney... a three term Senator... and by golly... he is somewhat of a Constitutional Scholar... but them mitt did look so dashing in that $2800.00 suit!

LLS


8 posted on 10/10/2007 9:30:32 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Paperdoll

Absolute horsepucky.


9 posted on 10/10/2007 9:34:18 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred stood tall above the herd. He is real and down to earth. He impresses me as someone who understands the common man. Unlike Rommney the fact spewing robot. Rudy is too liberal. Huckabee suffers from inheriting Bll Clintons former position in Arkansas. Do they watch cartoons and Andy Griffith reruns all day in the Governors mansion what was up with his two tv references. The rest of them haven’t got a chance much less a clue.


10 posted on 10/10/2007 9:35:41 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obviously, somebody missed this major article from yesterday.

Bartlett on the GOP Field: A Hick, a “Dud” and a “Flip-Flopper”

Washington Post ^ | 10/9/08 | The Trail
One of President Bush’s closest advisers has a brutally candid analysis of the Republican nomination battle: Fred Thompson is the campaign’s “biggest dud,” Mitt Romney has “a real problem in the South” because people will not vote for a Mormon, Mike Huckabee’s last name is too hick and John McCain could end up repeating 2000 by winning New Hampshire but losing the nomination... ...Bartlett was harshest in his judgment of Thompson, the former Tennessee senator who jumped into the contest a month ago and faces his first televised debate today.


11 posted on 10/10/2007 9:37:38 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Slump Tester
He lets Clinton off the hook on obstruction of justice charges,

Not quite. He voted guilty on article II, obstruction of justice. He voted not guilty on article I, perjury. He stated that in spite of his personal feelings in the matter, the evidence actually presented on the first article did not support a guilty vote. If you're going to knock him, at least do so for the correct thing.

12 posted on 10/10/2007 9:46:43 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: cquiggy
Fred has been studying Sun Tzu. "If strong, appear weak"--He has got everyone lulled into thinking he's too late, too old, too nice. HA! He's like a freaking coiled steel-spring rattlesnake with boiling arsenic venom, just l a y i n g in wait. You watch: the week of the Primary, the teeth come out and ker-SPROIIINGGG!!! Ripped-up dead liberal, Mormon, Texan, Californian, Huckleberry meat everywhere.
13 posted on 10/10/2007 9:46:50 PM PDT by RedQuill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"former New York Sen. Al D'Amato played Rudy Giuliani. To add verisimilitude to his character, D'Amato pretended to take a phone call in the middle of one session. "

ROFL!

14 posted on 10/10/2007 9:49:02 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (FRED!)
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To: Paperdoll

Paperdoll, your support of Hunter is admirable. Your connect-the-dots game with Fred is silly.


15 posted on 10/10/2007 9:51:48 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (FRED!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rudy didn’t win the night although he did very well. I would say that Fred won the night with Mitt right behind. Mitt’s huge gaff may have really hurt his chances. Rudy is by far the most articulate and personable with no fear of mixing it up. Obviously not a Republican.

Pray for W and Our Troops


16 posted on 10/10/2007 9:56:15 PM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: Politicalmom

For all of Romney’s problems in the South, Giuliani has it worse. As the primaries approach and people pay more attention, he will have a hard time carrying any southern states. I find it funny that Thompson takes it on the chin for being part of the Powers That Be and yet also takes it on the chin from those same Powers because they fear him.

I started as a Hunter fan. Seeing the attitude of some of the others made me drop back and watch. When Fred came along, I decided that I could support my former Senator. At least he is someone that I learned to trust to follow his convictions and to tell the truth. If Hunter pulls a miracle and becomes competitive, I would reevaluate him and I would pull the lever for him in the General with no hesitation.

Romney has changed too much, too recently. He leaves me with the feeling that he is saying whatever it takes with no real understanding or conviction. Giuliani is no Conservative, at least not one that I could pull the lever for. Huckabee has problems of his own on immigration and other issues that disqualify him in the primary for me.

There is no candidate with a chance for me to support other than Thompson.


17 posted on 10/10/2007 9:56:24 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Paperdoll

Look at my profile. I know all about what you are commenting on. If it’s true, they’re hiding it from some VERY bright people.


18 posted on 10/10/2007 9:57:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: LibLieSlayer

A three term Senator? That’s news to me. I didn’t criticise Thompson’s appearance in the debate or anything he said. I thought he did rather well as a matter of fact.
The only other candidate I mentioned was not the “dashing” Mitt Romney, but the serious and sincere Duncan Hunter. :)


19 posted on 10/10/2007 9:58:35 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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20 posted on 10/10/2007 10:00:37 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Slump Tester
Fred's a midget when you compare his record to Hunter's.

You could hardly manage a more absurd claim. Thompson's record in Congress is at least the equal of Hunter's, and I'm not knocking Hunter. He's a good man, just unable to get significant traction, that's all.

And it is really disingenuous to drag out the "let Clinton off the hook" canard. Fred voted to convict on the perjury count. Either one of them would have been enough to remove the bent one from office, but you know as well as I do that the ENTIRE Senate chickened out of doing its duty.

21 posted on 10/10/2007 10:02:24 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Paperdoll

Wow...

Funny how Fred is in favor of NONE of that...


22 posted on 10/10/2007 10:05:34 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: Paperdoll

Boring!


23 posted on 10/10/2007 10:06:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Paperdoll

Wake me up when you have something substantial to say!


24 posted on 10/10/2007 10:07:38 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Politicalmom
It seems like the WHOLE political spectrum is scared sh*tless of Fred Thompson! I've seen nothing but put-downs so obvious it's sickening. Some of these writers seem amazed he doesn't show up with the remnants of a meadow muffin stuck to his boot or a pint of corn squeezins in his hip pocket.

I love seeing the left and the RINOs FEAR Fred's candidacy. GOOD !

Nam Vet

25 posted on 10/10/2007 10:09:47 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Timely reporting from Attila's right flank)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>Look at my profile. I know all about what you are commenting on. If it’s true, they’re hiding it from some VERY bright people.<

2nd, we checked each other out months ago, remember?

Incidentally, today in the parking lot of Borders Books, a young man approached me because of my Duncan Hunter bumper sticker and waxed so enthusiastic about DH. I asked him if he had a bumper sticker, or if he wanted one. Of course he did, so I opened the trunk and gave him about six, with a brochure and a contribution envelope. We stood there and talked for quite a while, mostly why he likes Hunter so much.

Came to find out that he’d just retired from the military after 22 years, and had been stationed on a ship in the middle East where the president had visited. He said the men and women serving over there are spectacular people, very dedicated. He said the media here has the story all wrong, that things are going very well in Iraq.

A very nice young man actually thanked me for the gift of meeting me! We exchanged phone numbers so he can help with the Hunter campaign here. A very pleasant experience. We really do have unusually fine people in our military, very polite and clean cut. Prayers going up for each and every one of them daily. And thank you again for your fine service.


26 posted on 10/10/2007 10:11:10 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Slump Tester
"He lets Clinton off the hook on obstruction of justice charges"

Gee, is being wrong a habit.

Thompson did not let Clinton "off" on anything. He voted FOR the obstruction charge and in a very well prepared statement could not support that the perjury rose to an impeachable offense.

The end result is Fred said he should be impeached, the obstruction charge was more than sufficient.

Remember RIF many years ago, Reading is fundamental? Try it, and get your damn facts straight.

http://australianpolitics.com/usa/clinton/trial/statements/thompson.shtml

27 posted on 10/10/2007 10:17:26 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: John Valentine
It was the more serious obstruction count, not the perjury count he voted guilty on.

Just want to keep clarity.

28 posted on 10/10/2007 10:19:41 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

are the dems freeping the FR poll and voting for ron paul?
i suspect they are...


29 posted on 10/10/2007 10:21:03 PM PDT by rogernz
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To: rogernz

Yes, and FRed has still managed to be on top, with over twice as many votes as the runner up.

Have I mentioned that Free Republic is FRed Country?


30 posted on 10/10/2007 10:35:03 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Paperdoll
Not to be a thompson supporting critic, but on alot of these threads, there is misunderstanding due to the initials used,i.e. "CFR".

Most folks think "Campaign finance reform" when instead it means councle of foreign relation, etc.

Please, please use the full wording instead of the initials, since everyone winds up looking like they are fighting in the tower of babble.

31 posted on 10/10/2007 10:46:42 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: ejonesie22

You are right. I had it backwards. Thanks.


32 posted on 10/10/2007 10:46:47 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He came off as genuinely unaffected instead of irritatingly folksy.

Looks like we keep the cork in it on this one, folks.

33 posted on 10/10/2007 11:14:12 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Good. I don’t think I should drink and ping.


34 posted on 10/10/2007 11:17:42 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Slump Tester

Hunter’s a midget when you compare his electability to Fred’s.


35 posted on 10/10/2007 11:37:58 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Sonny M

Thank you, Sonny, I’ll do that. :)


36 posted on 10/11/2007 12:03:34 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Paperdoll

That’s a great story! Thanks for sharing!


37 posted on 10/11/2007 12:15:01 AM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: Rudder

Oh, ye of little vision.


38 posted on 10/11/2007 12:16:37 AM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: upsdriver

You are welcome, ups. It makes all our hard work well worth the trouble when you meet people like that doesn’t it? :)


39 posted on 10/11/2007 12:21:39 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
OK, I checked out the SC race on RealClearPolitics and I don't know what to think. The spread between the polls is insane, at least some of them must be worthless. If you throw out the most contrary one (from "American Res Group") it looks pretty good for Fred.
40 posted on 10/11/2007 12:22:39 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Paperdoll

Sure does. I have been telling my youngest brother about Duncan and have been sending him emails to educate him. Last nite, I went to pick him and my 13 yr old nephew up to go out for supper. His son was on the computer and asked his dad who he liked for president. My brother said Duncan Hunter, why? Nephew replied he just took an online test and found out he agreed most with Duncan Hunter. He had never heard of Hunter so was impressed that his dad supported him, too. Ron Paul and all the dems were at the bottom of his list.

Before I talked to my brother about Hunter, he had never heard of him. That is our challenge, to educate the public. The more one learns about him, the more they like him. Duncan Hunter is an easy sell to educated people.


41 posted on 10/11/2007 12:36:02 AM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My husband said at diner tonight the R.G.will be last man standing againt the Hill and he felt he was the only man to beat her.I have been taking a little thrift store poll and they are all for the Hill.


42 posted on 10/11/2007 12:45:30 AM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

Of course they are! She’s a female Santa Claus with a big bag of goodies bought with your & my money! Of course the underclass and illegals will be voting (several times each) for her. The dems might not even have to bribe as many voters with smokes and Thunderbird wine as they did in 2000!!


43 posted on 10/11/2007 12:49:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am only telling you from people walking in the door.Lower to middle class.They like her position on abortion and health care.


44 posted on 10/11/2007 1:02:11 AM PDT by fatima
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fred did fine. What's more is that he appears to be the most electable conservative candidate on the block. I donated a 2nd time already. I'm glad he's out there now, the race is taking on more shape and we can start taking on serious debate.

We have a choice: A socialist, socialist weenies or a conservative who will help in the fight to preserve your freedom and keep you from being turned into a socialist slave.

Wish Hunter could make a stronger showing, perhaps in the next administration?

45 posted on 10/11/2007 2:13:21 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
I see Congressman Hunter as a possible Secretary of Defense, Homeland Security or Veterans Affairs. What do you think? Fred08 - Contribute Now
46 posted on 10/11/2007 2:17:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I see Congressman Hunter as a possible Secretary of Defense

I've seen "Secretary of Defense" suggested on several occasions, each time by Freepers more knowledgeable than me on his qualifications.

The biggest thing I got out of the debate was that Ron Paul lives in an alternate reality. His commentary regarding "Imminent Attacks" was jaw dropping.

47 posted on 10/11/2007 2:31:02 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

The Secretary of Energy and FEMA director are usually military veterans or people familiar with that area, as well.


48 posted on 10/11/2007 2:34:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: John Valentine

No prob, just want to keep it straight for the Gnats.


49 posted on 10/11/2007 3:48:21 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: upsdriver
Duncan Hunter is an easy sell to educated people.

Gosh, us morons must not get it then...

50 posted on 10/11/2007 4:02:12 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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