Skip to comments.Ann Coulter Shocks Cable TV Show, Declaring 'Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians'
Posted on 10/11/2007 10:36:00 AM PDT by Froufrou
Slash-and-burn columnist Ann Coulter shocked a cable TV talk-show audience Monday when she declared that Jews need to be "perfected" by becoming Christians, and that America would be better off if everyone were Christian.
Coulter made the remarkable statements during an often heated appearance to promote her new book on advertising guru Danny Deutsch's CNBC show "The Big Idea."
In response to a question from Deutsch asking Coulter if "it would be better if we were all Christian," the controversial columnist responded: "Yes."
"We should all be Christian?" Deutsch repeated.
"Yes," Coulter responded, asking Deutsch, who is Jewish, if he would like to "come to church with me."
Deutsch, pressing Coulter further, asked, "We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians?" She responded: "Yeah."
Coulter deflected Deutsch's assertion that her comments were anti-Semitic, matter-of-factly telling the show's obviously upset host, "That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews."
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Worked for the Apostle Paul.
And all the other Apostles, too.
This is basic Christian doctrine. That’s why they stoned Stephen.
Now they want to throw stones at Ann.
She’s got more stones than all of them put together.
The act is getting old Ann. Try to come up with a new way to get publicity will ya.
Shocking? I don't think so.
She’s in the Celeb Shock Death Spiral in which everything she says has to be more shocking than the last thing she said.
She could have added that a person can still be a Jew and a Christian..........
That was beautifully stated. Thank you.
The title was longer; I copy pasted it in and had to delete some, but it is otherwise in the FOX original form.
Doesn’t persecution of Jews EVER go out of style? Does being Jewish mean someone will ALWAYS ‘blame’ you for something? Oy vey, already.
All she did was point out what ought to be obvious to Jews and Christians alike - that evangelical Christians think Jews (and everyone else) should convert, and Jews (and everyone else) have not done so.
Given that evangelical Christians also emphasize that conversion only counts if it is willing and sincere, how can anyone object?
I don’t mind Muslims wanting me to become Muslim - I only object because they think my free will in the matter is irrelevant.
What is not well known about her is that she attends a Reformed-Outlook Presb. Church, if IIRC. Such teaching in itself is greatly at odds with the, overwhelmingly, mainstream Christian free will theology - the ardent Pro-Zion John Hagee type of theology. Reformed theology is seen as terribly ‘anti-semitic’ from an end times point of view from the start, largely because it is Zionism neutral, at best, and even more so, due to the Covenant Replacement/Supersession offense.
The arguement is basically that Ann’s type of Christianity fuels the kind of anti-semitism that leads to hatred (the hatred that that is of the the ‘indifference’ variety) of Jews, which leads to the deaths of Jews.
That said, her comments are largely consistent with the end times outlook of reformed theology. If Christ is indeed the Jewish agent of Law fulfilment and more importantly, the new conventant, then Jew, Greek, Slave, Free, we all are to first Obey the law all the way to perfection.
The specific verse states: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. MATT 5:48. And this is in the context of Jesus telling the listener it doesn’t do any good to overlook the fact the the common grace, for example, of rain falls among the most just as well as the others.
It would be anti-biblical, in other words, to say that ‘perfection’ is attainable’ in any other fashion. More specifically, it would be akin to denying the Trinity, especially the Father part of the God Head. (It is quite interesting that the total number of times that God is directly labeled as “Father” is just once: in the Old Testament, in Isiah).
In short, the issue, as Ann honestly put it, is about the content of the New Testament itself. If it is not true, then her anti-semitism is of the exact same Rank as the Islamists points of view - but if it is true, her anti-semitism is a slander from the outside only, and what she is actually doing is preaching the gospel.
So, the bottom line is quite simple: it’s not about Ann, or, whether or not she is educated. It is simply whether or not the New Testament is Black or White, true or false. And in this world, the greatest sin is denying the only statement this is allowed to be black and white: “Black and White thinking is evil”. The world loves the grey.
ahem....I would normally do my customary silent lurking but as someone else pointed out there are the RULES!! Somebody help.
“Is she dating Andrew Stein to save him?”
You reckon a glimps of heaven will convince him?
Amen, there is no other way. Even though they are God’s chosen and have a covenant with him he will judge them last at the end times at which time they had better be on the right page.
Thanks for keeping the rules.
Great. Just fine.
Another hit job. They are clearly targeting every single mouthpiece of the conservative movement. We aren't even sure what was said in the article was accurate now. No matter what Ann Coulter says now, this hit piece will be brought up. This marginalizes her. They can't shut her up, so they go for the dirty tricks. This is Hillary Clinton's deal all the way.
Folks, this is just the TIP of the iceberg. Major crap is coming all of our way. The democRATs are out for blood. Yours.
Hello! The billions of people professing faith in Jesus Christ believe that, too.
By definition, a Christian is someone who believe that the Mosaic era ended and that Jesus Christ came into the world, established his church, and through Jesus all must be saved.
I don’t believe Muslims, Buddhists, nor Jews (I.e those who follow Judaism) will go to heaven. I believe Christ is the way -
Act 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Act 4:9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Whats it to them since they've chosen not to believe? And why do many become infuriated because there are those that choose to believe?
It's the ongoing attempt in recent decades to elect legislators and appoint judges who would write such beliefs into law that is worrisome to non-Christians - and no less so than with Muslims trying to do the same thing with Sharia law.
Most of them decided to convert and stay.
The correct word is "coerced" not "forced", and unfortunately "forced" is frequently replaced with "foist" by speakers who want to soft-peddle their criticism.
Using "foist", BTW, means you consider Christianity an illegitimate religion ~ maybe some kind of mumbojumbo magic or whatever ~ so don't use "foist" (not ever), and replace that "force" with "coerce" ~
Remember, the original point of the Inquisition was to assure the correctness of the beliefs and behavior of the newly converted Jews, Moslems and anybody else who got in the way of the Hispanics.
Amazingly, when you look at the religious affiliation of members of the House of Representatives and the Senate, you find the Jewish cohort leading the way to admit even more Hispanics to this country, particularly from Mexico which has actually burned Jews at the stake since the founding of the United states.
Unless that little problem is dealt with (the apparant infatuation with the Hispanics) I really don't think it's time to suggest the rest of us have been sinning when we go out and "force" Jews to convert (which I don't believe has ever been done in this country).
Might come up with the name of someone "forced" to convert in the USA ~ I did some serious searches and couldn't find a single person.
Well, we woundn't want anyone to be upset. How un-PC of Ms. Coulter! She dares to counter the sedating of the populace via political correctness. Shame on her - for the umpteenth time!
Actually, WAY TO GO ANN!!! You've ruffled the dingy, dull feathers of another PC DoDo bird.
Jesus: I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
Reporter: But I am a follower of Zeus! Are you saying I have to follow you!
Jesus: Oh sorry...I didn't mean to offend you. Uh...all religions have their own unique way to find God. Just follow your heart, learn to love yourself, and you will find the you that is really you.
Note: the above is an absurd parody to illustrate the absurd.
Jews have always accepted converts from the Gentile nations. Uriah the Hittite, Rahab, Ruth, and a few others I cannot remember off hand. The early Christians had a great discussion over whether a person should first become a Jew and then a Christian. Paul essentially said “come as you are, don’t change a thing”...............
Yeshua HaNatzeri Melech HaYehudim "YHWH" (Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews) Hebrew tetragrammaton posted over Jesus as he hung on the cross by Pilate (who recognized Who He Was.)
Do you really believe that? In my experience when a Jew embraces Christianity the only people who continue to respect their Jewishness are Christians and other Jews who embraced Christianity.
I maintain for all practical purposes there is NOTHING she could have said to keep from provoking Talmudic Jews without actually denying her faith.
“This idiotic remark by her, even if it is a joke...”
Why would you think it’s a joke? She’s spot on. The only thing idiotic is that so few people have the guts to speak the truth anymore, and even fewer can bear to hear it.
Christ did not mince words why should a follower of Christ? Is it not Written that it is the Will of God that all be saved... and that it is only through Christ salvation is offered. What part of that did God through Christ water down?
I guess you are offended that christians should participate in the democratic process. Tough sh*t.
The bottom line is that the blood of Moses will NOT save the Jews eternally, and their keeping of every Commandment will NOT gain them entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven.
ALL have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God.
Only the Blood of Jesus Christ, and believing in Him as the only Son of God, the one True Messiah, can save a human soul from being lost eternally.
Jesus said ‘I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one cometh unto the Father except by Me’.
God Bless Ann Coulter, she dared to speak the Truth.
Would it have been better for her to say "Jesus said, 'No one comes to the Father except through me.' Since I don't want any Jews in heaven, I don't want them to convert to Christianity."?
I didn't see anything in there about Ann threatening to chop Deutsch's head off if he didn't convert.
The only thing that shocking is that she had the balls to say it.
So when are we going to start calling reporters "slash-and-burn reporters"? I'd say whoever wrote this fits the bill.
End of story.
Christians believe that their doctrine is true, and they want to convince others of the truth of their doctrine, i.e. convert them to Christianity. Nothing new there, nothing offensive to anyone, either. Ann is just stating the obvious.
Yes, I really believe that. And yes, you are correct that other Jews sometimes do not recognize the converts Jewishness. But that is the other Jews' problem, not the converts' problem. You are a Jew in the heart and that's what's important to God. Sure, there will be conflicts within the Jewish community over the convert's Jewishness, but when has this not been so? It will always be so until Jesus' return proves to them otherwise............
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
You are going to have to spell it out for me. I copy pasted the title and it was too long. I removed superfluous verbage such as ‘shocks talk show host with her comments.’
I added nothing to it except for the colon.
I posted with genuine interest to know what other FReepers had to say about it. If I have done something wrong, it has been completely unintentional.
It's her forth-rightfulness that I like about her. There's so little of that today. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Just look at our leaders with their nuance and their shills explaining what they really said. She and a few others are breathes of fresh air.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
What the hell is Deutch so upset about intimating Ann wants Israel gone
If anybody is Anti Israel it is the left wing (which HE is a member of ) in this country NOT the Christians
True -- unless you use the word "Christian," like many do today, to mean "I'm a nice guy and anything you do is OK by me."
The reason she’s going to get heat is because she used the word “perfected”. That word has an alternative meaning thanks to Hitler and others like him. The word has been corrupted. My instinct was to cringe as a result.
She’s not anti-semitic, she’s not Pat Buchanon, and I get what’s she means by reading the transcript in context (novel concept), though I don’t think she expressed herself well at all during the interview. Someone who doesn’t understand Christian theology is not going to come away understanding it any better after that interview.
First of, the interviewer is offended she believes the world would better if everyone was a Christian. The interviewer equates that to the extremisism of Iran’s mullahs and implies that means she wants Israel extreminiated off the map. Completely ignoring, I guess, that Christians defend Israel better then any in this world without any demands they believe as we do in return.
There is nothing that should be controversial about a Christian believing if everyone expressed a committment to Jesus Christ and followed His teachings this world would be a better place. Name a real religion that does not believe the same of their tenets? Liberals certainly believe if we all went “Green” the world would be a better place. Oh, right, they pretend it’s “science” and not religion they are expressing.
I’ll go one step further. Not only would the world be better, but I do NOT believe in this mantra Bush was preaching the other day that we all pray to the same God.
Nor do you get to heaven without expressing the belief Jesus Christ Is the Son of God, seeking forgiveness from Him, and committing to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I disagree with Coulter on that point. I don’t believe you are going to get to heaven if you are a Jew that has yet to accept Christ anymore then if you are an athiest, Muslim or whatever.
Basically this guy is trying to tie proselytizing into being the same as edicts to murder non believers. I’ll not let that go unchallenged. Unfortunately, the word she used gives the Liberals an excuse to go after Christians (Again) and cowardly conservatives reason to rebuke her and Christianity by default and they’ll repeat this mantra about inclusivenes and pray to the same God and blah, blah...all because they won’t read the context, they’ll presume she uses “perfected” in the context Hitler used it, and they will runs as the wimps they are rather then set the record straight.
I’m sorry if anything I said could be considered “persecuting” the Jews. The Jewish people were God’s chosen people, and he has a special place in his heart for them. He sent his Son to die for them, and that message was delivered to them first.
As a practical matter, if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ, it should not be “persecution” to have someone who does tell you that you need to believe in Jesus Christ.
I don’t consider myself persecuted when liberals tell me I should vote Democratic. If you are comfortable in your religious beliefs, you should not feel threatened by those who have differing beliefs and express them.
If Ann’s message does disturb you, I beg you to consider the possibility that it isn’t what Ann is saying that disturbs you, but rather the Spirit of God. If Ann makes you question your position, please look into it. I say that in love.
“You are going to have to spell it out for me’
Sorry, don’t take it too seriously. There is an unwritten rule that all Ann threads have to have a picture of her.
That's right, my post from the other thread. The dems and media will make hay with this one. Boost her book sales though.
Ann's a bombthrower, and she's out for Ann. This will help her personally. To the extent she's associated with the Republican Party, and as I noted during the faggot incident excitement, that association should be minimized.
The JDC's call for her to be boycotted is absurd, however criticism should be expected. Essentially she characterized the Republican as a Christian party, and advanced the position that the nation would be a better place without Jews.
I doubt she believes that, but it's a stupid statement if one is trying to advance a political agenda. Smart if the intent is personal aggrandizement. This won't hurt her book sales a bit. My bold.
DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We're going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your forget that any of them
COULTER: I like this.
DEUTSCH: are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women's with abortion what would this country look like?
DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?
COULTER: It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like.
COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I'm talking about this country. You don't want to make this country it's not about Republicans. I'm saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.
COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman [I-CT], the Republican Party would look like [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA]
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don't want I'm not talking about politically the landscape. What would our would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more
COULTER: We would be a lot safer.
DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription prescription. What tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because
COULTER: Well, all of those things.
DEUTSCH: I can give I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate
COULTER: Oh, no.
DEUTSCH: that there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other tell me what why this would be a better world? Let's give you I'm going to give you say this is your show.
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they
DEUTSCH: Christian so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.
DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But so we would be better if we were - if people if there were no Jews, no Buddhists
COULTER: Whenever I'm harangued by
DEUTSCH: in this country? You can't believe that.
COULTER: you know, liberals on diversity
DEUTSCH: Here you go again.
COULTER: No, it's true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that's really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And
DEUTSCH: I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don't see any more or less chips there either way. That's erroneous.
COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire "Seinfeld" episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you're lying.
DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some "Seinfeld" episode? OK.
COULTER: But yeah, I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.
DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or
COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.
COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.
DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.
DEUTSCH: You can't possibly you're too educated, you can't you're like my friend in
COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean
COULTER: We have the fast-track program.
DEUTSCH: Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that.
COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.
DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, "Let's wipe Israel"
COULTER: I don't know if you've been paying attention.
DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?
COULTER: No, we think we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?
COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued when you say something absurd like that, there's no
COULTER: What's absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself
COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.
DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more "Big Idea" when we come back.
DEUTSCH: Welcome back to "The Big Idea." During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I'm going to give her a chance. So you don't think that was offensive?
COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe this is just a statement of what the New Testament is is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
DEUTSCH: You said your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.
COULTER: No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is.
DEUTSCH: But that's what you said don't you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic
DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You're an educated woman. How do you not see that?
COULTER: That isn't hateful at all.
DEUTSCH: But that's even a scarier thought. OK
COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don't want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean, [Rev. Jerry] Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins." We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.
DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won't we? Ann Coulter. New book. More "Big Idea" straight ahead.
You said it better than I.
She'll catch grief over this, but at least she remembered what is important.
Mark 8:35-38 [Jesus said:]
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Good for Ann for not being ashamed of stating what she believes and for declaring God's Love (Who IS the Way, the Truth, and the Life...).
It took 55 posts for a picture.
There is truly something wrong here.
And yet when the average imam sincerely repeats what his holy book says, that Jews are dogs and worthy of nothing but death, everyone just smiles and pretends like they don’t smell the fart. Isn’t that interesting?
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