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'Columbine'-Type Attack Plot Foiled In Pa.
cbs4denver.com ^ | Oct 11, 2007 | (CBS) News Denver

Posted on 10/11/2007 1:23:06 PM PDT by Shots

(CBS) PLYMOUTH MEETING, Pa. A 14-year-old was arrested after reportedly planning a 'Columbine'-type event at a high school in Pennsylvania Thursday.

Police received a tip call saying the home-schooled teen was plotting an attack on Plymouth-Whitemarsh High School.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: schoolviolence; shooting; thwarted
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Yet another time bomb caught while waiting to explode
1 posted on 10/11/2007 1:23:14 PM PDT by Shots
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To: Shots

Why was he being home-schooled...? Did he get kicked out of the high school..?


2 posted on 10/11/2007 1:26:54 PM PDT by Texans
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To: Texans

The article said he had been bullied. So he must have at one time either been part of the school, or at least had contact with the kids at that school.


3 posted on 10/11/2007 1:28:29 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Shots
I noticed that the weapons, many of them toy lookalikes, were taken “from the home of” the teen.

No indication that they belonged to the teen, especially the 9mm “assault rifle”.

Dad just lost his collection!

The picture that goes along with the news article makes it look real scary, but most are toy guns, according to the article.

4 posted on 10/11/2007 1:29:38 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: dawn53

I was bullied and threatened with a firearm at school many times... I didn’t go out and “Columbine” anyone...


5 posted on 10/11/2007 1:30:04 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Shots

Who bullies you when you’re home-schooled? Your little sister?


6 posted on 10/11/2007 1:30:34 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Shots

“The weapons included a 9 mm assault rifle that the teenager’s mother had recently bought for him, Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr. said. Prosecutors are reviewing her actions.”

Gee, ya think?


7 posted on 10/11/2007 1:30:57 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Shots
This is what he had collected up until this point
8 posted on 10/11/2007 1:34:20 PM PDT by Shots
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To: Shots

Some kids are just plain broken.


9 posted on 10/11/2007 1:35:16 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Shots
From the article:

"...police conducted a search of the teen's home and recovered a cache of weapons...Officers recovered a 9mm assault rifle..."

A cache of airsoft replicas. The article shows a camera scanning over a table of several airsoft replicas.

Officers recovered a 9mm assault rifle..."

The only real gun on the table is a Hi-Point 9mm carbine rifle (Which is NOT an assault rifle).

I seriously doubt that any of those grenades are real.
10 posted on 10/11/2007 1:35:47 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Shots

See Post #10.

With the exception of the Hi-Point 9mm carbine, those are all Airsoft Replicas.


11 posted on 10/11/2007 1:37:55 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Ramius

Nuts come in all shapes and sizes. But his mother bought him a gun? She must be nutz too!


12 posted on 10/11/2007 1:40:09 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: DBrow

Did you even read the article??? His mother had just bought the 9mm for him


13 posted on 10/11/2007 1:40:13 PM PDT by Shots
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To: Shots
"Did you even read the article??? His mother had just bought the 9mm for him"

It's strange that you are so quick to suck this article up as a fact, when it's showing a table full of airsoft replicas as a "cache of weapons"
14 posted on 10/11/2007 1:46:41 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

“I was bullied and threatened with a firearm at school many times...”

And I thought my school was bad!


15 posted on 10/11/2007 1:48:58 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Shots

A 14 yo cannot technically “own” it. If Mom signed the 4474, it’s hers.


16 posted on 10/11/2007 1:49:46 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Texans
Why was he being home-schooled...? Did he get kicked out of the high school..?

More likely this is an NEA assault on homeschoolers. I doubt seriously a home schooled teen would waste their time plotting to kill children in a public school unless, as you say, the child was expelled in which case he is a product of the public education system and their inability to cope with the manifestations of their own morally bankrupt values system and not an indictment of home schooling. Will the liberals take this into account?

Not on your life.

Gird up your loins boys and girls. The real assault on home schooling is about to begin. If Hillary gets in in '08 home schooling is all but dead and if you resist?... Remember what happened at WACO to the 86 innocent people that defied her when her husband was in office.

17 posted on 10/11/2007 1:50:44 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: joseph20

Get ready folks. When toys are considered deadly we’re in trouble. I suspect the police are just hard up for their 15 minutes of fame. Anyone remember Nifong?


18 posted on 10/11/2007 1:54:13 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: Slapshot68
Mommy's going to jail too.

Good move, mom. Nice little monster you hatched.

That said, the big fancy display of airsoft guns by the police is pathetic.

19 posted on 10/11/2007 1:55:12 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} All Hail John Moses Browning)
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To: Shots

Plymouth-Whitemarsh is not a school where you would typically expect problems. My brother lives not far from there, and his three kids all graduated from P-W. It is a good school in a nice upscale Philadelphia suburb.


20 posted on 10/11/2007 1:55:55 PM PDT by blau993
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To: Thrownatbirth
A little sister like this:

If you have kids you know who this is.

21 posted on 10/11/2007 1:56:51 PM PDT by BBell
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To: EndWelfareToday
More likely this is an NEA assault on homeschoolers. "

My thoughts exactly

22 posted on 10/11/2007 1:59:02 PM PDT by Texans
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To: AngryJawa
"Mommy's going to jail too. Good move, mom. Nice little monster you hatched."

Why would she be going to jail?
23 posted on 10/11/2007 1:59:43 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Slapshot68

Minors can possess handguns with their parents or guardians permission. Nothing wrong with what she did. And the other “firearms” were all bb guns.


24 posted on 10/11/2007 2:03:11 PM PDT by therut
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To: therut

Not to mention that they found NO ammo for the 9mm. At least that’s what they said on the video.


25 posted on 10/11/2007 2:06:10 PM PDT by piano-woman
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To: therut

“Minors can possess handguns with their parents or guardians permission. Nothing wrong with what she did. “

Legally? No. As a parent of someone who was obviously troubled? She’s quite negligent.


26 posted on 10/11/2007 2:07:02 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: EndWelfareToday
More likely this is an NEA assault on homeschoolers.

So, you think the kid is in cahoots with the NEA to stage a shooting at a school in order to make home school kids look bad?

Interesting Viewpoint.

27 posted on 10/11/2007 2:07:34 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Slapshot68
"As a parent of someone who was obviously troubled? She’s quite negligent."

That's a rash judgement. What makes you say that this kid was "obviously" troubled? Because he had airsoft replicas and owned a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook?
28 posted on 10/11/2007 2:09:39 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Shots
Officers recovered a 9mm assault rifle, various realistic air guns, explosive black powder and four hand grenades, one of which was active.

Authorities said the teen had been constructing the three inactive grenades in order to make them operational.

Books on how to make explosives, videos of the Columbine shooting and notebooks full of plans, and details of violent acts were also recovered from the teen's home.

More here: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/10453397.html
Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor said the 14-year-old youth, who had a 9mm semi-automatic rifle purchased by his mother, did not have any ammunition for the weapon.
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Castor said the youth had attended Plymouth schools until 18 months ago, when his parents started home-schooling him because he was being bullied by other students.
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The mother may also be charged, he said. The mother legally purchased the gun at a gun show, specifically for her son, said Castor. The gun has a laser sight.

29 posted on 10/11/2007 2:14:40 PM PDT by esarlls3
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Why would she be going to jail?

Perhaps, because she was keeping a live hand grenade in the same house a her delinquent kid.

30 posted on 10/11/2007 2:16:26 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: EndWelfareToday

You seem to forget he had all kinds of books on how too build bombs etc. One thing is for sure the boy he approached thought he was for real even if you think it is the police kooking for fame when in truth it is not. Shame on you


31 posted on 10/11/2007 2:20:11 PM PDT by Shots
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To: trumandogz
"Perhaps, because she was keeping a live hand grenade in the same house a her delinquent kid."

I bet that there are no live grenades at all...just like there is no "weapons cache".
32 posted on 10/11/2007 2:23:20 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: joseph20

So, if there was a live hand grenade in the house, should mom and dad be charged?


33 posted on 10/11/2007 2:25:38 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Shots
"You seem to forget he had all kinds of books on how too build bombs etc."

Yea...a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook
34 posted on 10/11/2007 2:26:01 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: trumandogz
"So, if there was a live hand grenade in the house, should mom and dad be charged?"

Why, yes, of course.
35 posted on 10/11/2007 2:27:33 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Shots

This is what he had collected up until this point

So what's the problem with collecting again?

36 posted on 10/11/2007 2:41:37 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: joseph20

[That’s a rash judgement. What makes you say that this kid was “obviously” troubled? Because he had airsoft replicas and owned a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook?]

Didn’t he threaten a “Columbine” attack on a school? Is that rational in your eyes?


37 posted on 10/11/2007 2:43:58 PM PDT by dbacks (I forgot to pay the rent on my tagline.)
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To: Centurion2000

I have no problem with collecting when you do it for the purpose of collecting. In this case I believe he wanted them for training to attack the school too bad you cannot see that


38 posted on 10/11/2007 2:55:05 PM PDT by Shots
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Castor said the youth had attended Plymouth schools until 18 months ago, when his parents started home-schooling him because he was being bullied by other students.

Now there's the real story, if you ask me. A kid bullied in the public school system is so angry and bitter that even after 18 months of being home schooled he's still plotting his revenge.

This wouldn't have happened IMO if the parents had started home schooling him earlier, before the problem got so bad -- as long as they're decent parents and he's not fundamentally unhinged to start with.

39 posted on 10/11/2007 2:55:50 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Shots

“You seem to forget he had all kinds of books on how too build bombs etc.”

I’d forgotten that it’s illegal to own certain printed matter in the USA. A copy of The Anarchist Cookbook?

Well at least he didn’t have TM-31-201-1.


40 posted on 10/11/2007 2:59:51 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Shots

It makes one wonder just how involved those parents are...

Sure, there are kids that have problems, but if parents did their jobs right...these types of things could be avoided/prevented, etc.

Just my $.02


41 posted on 10/11/2007 3:02:07 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (When you blame others, you give up your power to change.)
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The real point here is the fact that he had intentions of killing others. He made that clear by trying to recruit at least one other and no doubt more could he have succeeded. Yet you think this is right??? Boy what is this world coming to???


42 posted on 10/11/2007 3:03:50 PM PDT by Shots
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To: trumandogz
More likely this is an NEA assault on homeschoolers

So, you think the kid is in cahoots with the NEA to stage a shooting at a school in order to make home school kids look bad?

Interesting Viewpoint.

Let's be clear. That is YOUR "viewpoint." I never accused a young goat of being in "cahoots" with anyone. The NEA can and has conspired to make home schooling illegal. I see this as nothing more than an assault on those of us that love our children enough to keep them out of the reach of the Marxists concentration camps of social engineering and the brainwashing of the radical leftist perverts in the public school system.

Please refrain from trying to put words into my mouth. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I don't need you or anyone else trying to "read between the lines" of what I post.

Thx!

43 posted on 10/11/2007 3:47:52 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: Shots
You seem to forget he had all kinds of books on how too build bombs etc. One thing is for sure the boy he approached thought he was for real even if you think it is the police kooking for fame when in truth it is not. Shame on you

Interesting how you will believe anything anyone wearing a badge tells you. With your rational what do we need with courts? I suppose you and ol Mick Nifong are good buddies aren't you? Maybe you and ol Ronnie Earl spend your weekends out fishin eh?

Me... I like to see ALL of the evidence before I jump to conclusions. The police can blame anyone for anything they want and with people like you out there everyone they blame is guilty. It used to be that I would probably go along with you but since the mid-seventies I have watched the standards to become a law enforcement officer deteriorate and seen time and time again police officers arrested, incarcerated and/or fired for misconduct at best and/or our right breaking the law.

Remember Mark Thurman?

A table top of toys does NOT constitute an arsenal as far as I am concerned.

But then you are free to believe what you want.

44 posted on 10/11/2007 3:56:04 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: dbacks
"Didn’t he threaten a “Columbine” attack on a school? Is that rational in your eyes?"

Assuming that he did indeed make such a threat...

I'm not inclined to jump on that bandwagon as of yet. I'm willing to let this unravel a bit further before rendering such a judgement.

It may turn out that:

1. There are no live grenades.
2. "Bomb making plans" is just the Anarchist Cookbook.
3. "Assault rifle" is just a regular 9mm Hi-Point carbine (this one's already established).
4. "Plans to carry out attack" is just the innocent rantings of a bullied kid in a personal diary or somesuch.
5. "Columbine videos" is just a bookmark in Internet Explorer to a youtube video.

I'm just saying...this story could easily be thrown out of proportion by the Nanny police and the all-too-willing Left media. They seem to jump on *any* chance to demonize firearms and to demonize typical boy behavior (making a list of enemies, tinkering with devices, etc).
45 posted on 10/11/2007 3:56:41 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Shots

By the way. Owning books that you may find controversial in no way proves guilt. Maybe you should hold a book burning party and get rid of all the books you don’t like. Start with the Bible. China has!


46 posted on 10/11/2007 3:59:35 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: EndWelfareToday
Can you please explain how a delinquent kid with guns, hand grenades and a plan to attack a school is an assault by the NEA?
47 posted on 10/11/2007 4:10:20 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: EndWelfareToday

I thought I made it very clear it ws not about the books. here in case you missed it

The real point here is the fact that he had intentions of killing others.


48 posted on 10/11/2007 4:11:06 PM PDT by Shots
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Shots, I agree with most of your point. The situation certainly needed attention.

But the cops are trying to make it look much much worse, and the press is going along trying to scare everybody.

Photoshoots of airsoft guns and dark references to “books about bombmaking” are intended as propaganda to scare us and make us demand or accept more government control, more oversight. Holy cats, one of the weapons has a LASER SIGHT!

If I got raided right now they’d find videos of Waco and 9-11, Davis’s book The Chemisry of Powders and Explosives, an airsoft gun or two, smokeless powder, and flammable liquids, and cookies from FreeRepublic as well as www.pipebombnews on my laptop. Plus I have lots of “survivalist” type food stored and a supply of water (earthquake country here). What can you figure out about my intentions from that? The press would have a field day with all that, I think.

I don’t think we’ll get a clear picture of what really went on and won’t know what the actual threat was, because there are too many political hot buttons to expect straight reporting from MSM.

I do apologize for my sarcastic, snarky comment. I was trying to point out that it is OK to own such books. AC and even worse (Ragnar whatisname and dope synthesis books) can be found in public libraries.

49 posted on 10/11/2007 4:15:05 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Shots
You know, looking at the pic in #8 reminds me of something that happened in Hawthorne, CA some years ago.

The newspaper had a story about a gang-related raid on a home that netted cash, drug paraphernalia, and a firearm. They went in on an anonymous tip.

Next day they expanded the story to include a picture of three policemen in BP vests. On the table (the kitchen table of the raided house I think) was a small bundle of bills and a roll of aluminum foil (the heavy duty type preferred by druggies and relapsed turkey cookers). The cop in the foreground was holding a paintball gun.

The story had the added fact that the cash was “discovered stashed in a locked cash box”.

50 posted on 10/11/2007 4:23:02 PM PDT by DBrow
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