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Are You Ready For WWIV? Author Says Fight Is Now
TheBulletin ^ | October 11, 2007 | By: Herb Denenberg, The Bulletin

Posted on 10/14/2007 9:12:34 PM PDT by PRePublic

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To: ClearBlueSky
Actually, I was thinking of starting with Nancy Pelosi, Turban Durbin, Dingy Harry, Fat Jack Murtha, Teddy the Swimmer,and the rest. IMHO, they long ago crossed the border from representing their constituencies into treason. When their pronouncements show up in Al Qaeda documents, as reasons for the terrorists to continue fighting, there can really be no doubt...
The lawyers of the ACLU (and a bunch from the Pentagon, too) can join them at Ft. Leavenworth, too.
51 posted on 10/15/2007 10:13:17 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Actually, I was thinking of starting with Nancy Pelosi, Turban Durbin, Dingy Harry, Fat Jack Murtha, Teddy the Swimmer,and the rest. IMHO, they long ago crossed the border from representing their constituencies into treason. When their pronouncements show up in Al Qaeda documents, as reasons for the terrorists to continue fighting, there can really be no doubt...
The lawyers of the ACLU (and a bunch from the Pentagon, too) can join them at Ft. Leavenworth, too.
52 posted on 10/15/2007 10:13:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: China Clipper

With all due respect- I am really trying to understand something here.
WHY the insistence that individual Muslims be separated from their ideology? Its pretty plain that Islam is anti every other religion. Why may we not assume that individual Muslims believe what their religion says?
We don’t challenge/disbelieve that an atheist does not believe in a deity. We don’t try to convince ourselves that Baptists, Catholics, Jews, etc do not believe what their religion preaches.
Why are Muslims exempt from being judged by what they believe, and what their religion admits to?
Is it the numbers? Is it that it is easier to imagine millions don’t believe the basic directives of Islam than it is to face it? Because facing it would mean we have millions of mortal enemies- and then the only decision left is what to do, fight or surrender?
Honestly- anyone- I am really trying to understand the reasoning that goes into the almost desperate insistence that we NOT judge Muslims according to Islam, when we judge every other being on the planet according to the belief system and groups to which they belong.


53 posted on 10/15/2007 10:20:27 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: PRePublic
Podhoretz original column appearing in Commentary Magazine.
54 posted on 10/15/2007 10:22:28 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: ClearBlueSky

55 posted on 10/15/2007 10:26:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: RightWhale

Nazism was a ‘religion’, for all intents and purposes.A cult of hate, death and domination- as is Islam.
Bullets did pretty good against Nazism.
It was resolve and GUTS and the determination that the Nazi ideolgy would NOT dominate the world that made the difference.
That’s what’s missing now.
We have more bullets, more weapons, and the ability to eradicate the new Nazism.
It’s the inability to face the us-vs-them scenario, and a lack of national guts that is the problem.


56 posted on 10/15/2007 10:32:17 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

There is an analogy, but the islams think they have a religion and not only that but the only religion. Fascism was defeated, but guess what? it hasn’t gone away.


57 posted on 10/15/2007 10:37:18 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: Little Ray

I’m not for financing internment camps to feed that bunch! Especially not the Swimmer- who could afford it?
Actually- since there is NO doubt as to their alliegances
(unlike the Japanese during WW2) I’d prefer a couple of C-130’s be used. Load’em up, and drop said individuals out over the ‘paradise’ that is the middle-east. A particularly nasty spot. Parachutes optional.


58 posted on 10/15/2007 10:37:49 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: RightWhale

No- it has not. There are neo-Nazis everywhere, BUT, are the numbers there? And who among us is insisting that there are ‘good’ neo-Nazis and facists?
Who is doing mental contortions to fantasize that there are facists who don’t believe in facism? Can any sane being say the words ‘good’ and ‘Nazi’ in the same sentence? Would society allow such an assumption?

And you know as well as I that religions can be wiped out. How many ancient religions no longer exist? Seen any Mayans tossing human sacrifices down pyramids lately? How about old Ra? He was big at one time!
History is full of religions that do not exist now. Islam belongs with them.


59 posted on 10/15/2007 10:47:56 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

60 posted on 10/15/2007 10:52:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: PRePublic

Purge or be purged.


61 posted on 10/15/2007 10:58:46 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: ClearBlueSky
The war is against ISLAM, period. And I fight it every day, in every way I can. I trust NO Muslim, deal with no Muslim knowingly, and reject them on every level of public interaction.

I'm not happy about it, but I feel the same way.

There is a salon I go to that has recently hired one.

I like this salon, but I am determined the 'she' will NOT touch me.

So, do I go somewhere else, or just refuse to be served by her, thereby risking arrest for hate crime?

62 posted on 10/15/2007 11:03:49 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

I’d go elsewhere- and TELL them why.
And since when is it a hate crime to have a favorite stylist in a salon and refuse appointments with anyone else?


63 posted on 10/15/2007 11:08:04 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: China Clipper
With all due respects, this sounds very similar to those Americans who demanded that ALL Japanese-Americans in the early WWII days should be all rounded up and thrown into a camp, just because they were of Japanese descent.

But, did that action save any lives?

We could never know.

64 posted on 10/15/2007 11:09:42 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: ClearBlueSky
I’d go elsewhere- and TELL them why.

I would be arrested.

And since when is it a hate crime to have a favorite stylist in a salon and refuse appointments with anyone else?

I go there to have my eyebrows waxed.
I've never asked for a specific worker, or refused one.

Maybe I'll just go with the Neanderthal look. ;-)

65 posted on 10/15/2007 11:21:13 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Fire burns. Rain is wet. Islam kills.

Good tagline material!

66 posted on 10/15/2007 11:24:31 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

I used to work with a Muslim QA (mfg) woman, and she was full of taqiyya. I was on to her, and caught her trying to lie and deflect numerous times; she knew I was on to her and she’d stop the lie.


67 posted on 10/15/2007 11:33:30 AM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: txflake

The sad thing is that that woman has probably had 6 kids by now.


68 posted on 10/15/2007 11:37:10 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Nope. Her muslim husband engineer divorced her - she’s barren. Actually, if you were to strip the Islam off her, she’s pretty cool, but she’s totally ruled and brainwashed by the ROP. Not a convert, she’s Egyptian.


69 posted on 10/15/2007 11:42:43 AM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: txflake

I wonder why she wouldn’t leave Islam. Family pressure I guess.

I know a lovely couple from Egypt.
They are Coptic Christians, and run a small business here in my city. They have 4 children, the nicest family you could meet.
They came here to make a safe life for their children, away from persecution, and yet it is following them here.


70 posted on 10/15/2007 11:57:01 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Marines are always looking for a few good men.

Maybe, but not old men - yet. When they'll take on the over 40's with a few "problems" then I suspect we'll have no other choice than to sign up.

71 posted on 10/15/2007 12:10:14 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Theirs is an ENEMY IDEAOLGY. Identify with it and you are my enemy.

Roger that CBS. You're coming in 5x5.

72 posted on 10/15/2007 12:12:26 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: fanfan

We do know that internment of Japanese saved lives during WW2.
There were NO terrorist attacks on our country by Japanese nationals, or Japanese Americans.
Internment prevented any with sympathies toward Japan from being free to act on them.


73 posted on 10/15/2007 12:56:39 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: RobinOfKingston

That would be the primary site and time for that cancer to begin its virulent metastases..


74 posted on 10/15/2007 11:01:21 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
OK, I understand your point of view.

I just don't agree with all of it.

For example, there is a major difference between Catholics and Protestants. They are both "Christians". Catholic "terrorists" in Belfast killed and maimed thousands. Are all Catholics "terrorists" and should be eliminated like rats? Of course not. Certain "branches" are more radical than others.

Unfortunately, there are radical Muslims who indeed, support some of the notions that you mention, and give other Muslims a very bad name. These radical individuals should be considered our enemies and treated as such.

For reasons which I hope are obvious, please do NOT paint EVERY Muslim with the same brush. Every Muslim doesn't secretly have the desire or "command" to kill the "infidel", anymore than every Catholic has a desire to kill all Protestants.
Each has the ability and the responsibility to decide what is propper behaviour for him/herself.

BTW, I am Catholic

75 posted on 10/16/2007 9:49:00 AM PDT by China Clipper
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To: China Clipper

I am Catholic too. The comparison you make avoids the main issue.
Compare the Koran to the New Testament.
The CORE of Islam is to make the world submit to it- by violent means if necessary.
NOWHERE in the New Testament are there orders to kill and dominate by violence( jihad) as there are in the Koran.
Catholic ‘terrorists’ are an ABERRATION. They are acting AGAINST their religious teachings.
If local priests in Ireland are calling for the murder of Protestants from their pulpits- they are acting against what Catholicism teaches. They are bringing politics into religion. Islam and politics are one.
Muslim terrorists are OBEYING the very core of Islam.
Catholics/Christians don’t kill each other if they question the religion, or wish to convert to another. Muslims do- and Islam orders them to!
Every Muslim may not have the desire to kill all infidels-or the guts- but their religion tells them they should!
Islam is evil. Those who belong to it and do not obey it will, nevertheless, not get any points from me for not actively obeying it. That’s like saying a Klan family- supporting the male who actually goes out to terrorize blacks and Jews- is ‘good’ despite their refusal to reject the prejudice.
Each Muslim MAY have the responsiblity to decide proper behavior for themselves, but Islam does not give them the right to do so.
I ask again- why is it normal and accepted to think that a Republican believes what the party stands for, that a NAMBLA member believes in sex with boys, and that a Catholic/Christian believes in the teaching of Jesus Christ but NOT to attach the individual Muslim to Islam and what
its goals are? Do you agree that Islam- as a belief system- is evil? If not- do you agree that the world is certainly getting plenty of proof of its evil side?
If so- how can an individual Muslim expect to be considered good while associating themselves with it?
If I announce myself as belonging to a neo-Nazi group, will you insist that I do not REALLY believe blacks and Jews are sub-human? Why? Why the insistence that Muslims do not believe the religion they claim? Especially when the face of that religion is now revealed and is terrorizing the world?
It’s ludicrous!
I’m honestly trying to understand the almost desperate insistence on separating Muslims from Islam.
We don’t do that with any other group.
They won’t disavow the Koran in any way, they won’t reform it to make clear what they DO believe, they hold every word holy and unchangeable( including the parts that are being acted upon to terrorize the world), but that doesn’t matter?
The Koran is the problem. ISLAM is the problem, and the enemy.
Would you, seriously.tell a black person that someone who admits to being associated with the Klan is not their enemy?
I’m sorry- if you’re proud to call yourself a member of NAMBLA, I WILL judge you as a practicing/or supporting sick pervert.
Why then should I not consider every Muslim who reveres and defends a ‘religion’ that calls for my submission/destruction as my enemy?


76 posted on 10/16/2007 10:25:22 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: PRePublic
"Containment is not possible when unbalanced dictators with weapons of mass destruction can deliver these weapons or missiles or secretly provide them to terrorist allies."

Saddam was staging a comeback on the international scene, but Bush interrupted that comeback.

Pre-War "containment" of Saddam had failed more and more each day.

1. The oil-for-food program was corrupt
2. The weapons inspections were a farce
3. US and allied planes were targeted
4. Uninspected flights to Baghdad gutted the sanctions
5. Terrorists were training in Iraq
6. Saddam supported terrorism - $25,000 to each family of a suicide bomber (Thanks, Prost1).
7. Saddam brutalized our fellow human beings
8. Iraq and Libya were co-operating on a nuclear program
9. Saddam founded the "Jerusalem army" (Jaysh al-Quds) to invade Jerusalem
Saddam was thumbing his nose at decent people as he rewarded his collaborators.
77 posted on 10/17/2007 6:10:10 AM PDT by syriacus (Christians are told to forgive others. Leftists THRIVE on bearing grudges at home and abroad.)
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