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105-Foot Dinosaur Unearthed in Argentina
Associated Press ^ | 10/15/2007 | Michael Astor

Posted on 10/15/2007 2:00:35 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) — The skeleton of what is believed to be a new dinosaur species — a 105-foot plant-eater that is among the largest dinosaurs ever found — has been uncovered in Argentina, scientists said Monday.

Standing alongside a replica of a neck vertebra more than 3 feet high, scientists from Argentina and Brazil said the find was remarkable because they have recovered the most complete skeletons one of one of these "giants" found so far.

They said the Patagonian dinosaur appears to represent a previously unknown species of Titanosaur because of the unique structure of its neck. They named it Futalognkosaurus dukei after the Mapuche Indian words for "giant" and "chief," and for Duke Energy Argentina, which helped fund the skeleton's excavation.

"This is one of the biggest in the world and one of the most complete of these giants that exist," said Jorge Calvo, director of the paleontology center at the National University of Comahue, Argentina. He was lead author of a study on the dinosaur published in the peer-reviewed Annals of the Brazilian Academy of Sciences.

Scientists said the giant herbivore walked the Earth some 88 million years ago, during the late Cretaceous period.

Since the first bones were found on the banks of Lake Barreales in the Argentine province of Neuquen in 2000, paleontologists have dug up the dinosaur's neck, back region, hips and the first vertebra of its tail.

"I'm pretty certain it's a new species," agreed Peter Mackovicky, associate curator for dinosaurs at Chicago's Field Museum, who was not involved with the discovery. "I've seen some of the remains of Futalognkosaurus and it is truly gigantic."

Calvo said the neck alone must have been 56 feet long, and by studying the vertebrae, they figured the tail probably measured 49 feet. The dinosaur reached over 43 feet tall, and the excavated spinal column alone weighed about 9 tons when excavated.

Patagonia also was home to the other two largest dinosaur skeletons found to date — Argentinosaurus, at around 115 feet long, and Puertasaurus reuili, 115 feet to 131 feet long.

Comparison between the three herbivores, however, is difficult because scientists have only found few vertebrae of Puertasaurus, and while the skeleton of Futalognkosaurus (FOO-ta-long-koh-SOHR-us) is fairly complete, scientists have not uncovered any bones from its limbs.

North America's dinosaurs don't even compare in size, Mackovicky added in a phone interview. "Dinosaurs do get big here, but nothing near the proportions we see in South America."

Jeff Wilson, an assistant professor of paleontology at the University of Michigan, who was asked to review the finding, said he was impressed by the sheer amount of skeleton recovered.

"I should really try to underscore how incredible it is to have partial skeleton of something this size," Wilson said in telephone interview. "With these kind of bones you can't study them by moving them around on the table, you have to move around them yourself."

The site where Futalognkosaurus was found has been a bonanza for paleontologists, yielding more than 1,000 specimens, including 240 fossil plants, 300 teeth and the remains of several other dinosaurs.

"As far as I know, there is no other place in the world where there is such a large and diverse quantity of fossils in such small area. That is truly unique," said Alexander Kellner, a researcher with the Brazilian National Museum and co-author of the dinosaur's scientific description.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: argentina; brazil; dinosaur; dinosaurs; fossils; freepun; futalognkosaurus; godsgravesglyphs; mapuche; paleontology; patagonia; titanosaur
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1 posted on 10/15/2007 2:00:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker

This Thread won’t give children nightmares without pictures.


2 posted on 10/15/2007 2:03:24 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Alter Kaker

The Georgeosoros.

Oops, that’s not a plant eater. It feeds on wealthy nations.


3 posted on 10/15/2007 2:06:23 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Free commerce is the only just way to redistribute wealth.)
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To: Alter Kaker

HOw could something that large subsist as a herbivore?
It would have to consume tons of fodder a day?
Would the enviroment of that time have supported them?
Are we sure cave men weren’t putting steroids in their feed?


4 posted on 10/15/2007 2:06:25 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I am still trying to figure out how the blood circulated if this thing raised its head to the full extent.


5 posted on 10/15/2007 2:06:52 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Scientists said the giant herbivore walked the Earth some 88 million years ago, during the late Cretaceous period.

How could dinosaurs exist 87,993,352 years before the earth was created?

6 posted on 10/15/2007 2:07:06 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Alter Kaker
That's what I call a neck bone!


7 posted on 10/15/2007 2:07:25 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: massgopguy

8 posted on 10/15/2007 2:07:40 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Alter Kaker

105 feet, now that’s a lot of feet.

Cool find...


9 posted on 10/15/2007 2:08:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Alter Kaker
105-Foot Dinosaur Unearthed in Argentina

I'd call it the centasaur...

10 posted on 10/15/2007 2:08:45 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: tet68
Are we sure cave men weren’t putting steroids in their feed?

I think I saw that on the Flintstones.

11 posted on 10/15/2007 2:08:53 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Alter Kaker
Futalognkosaurus dukei

Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
12 posted on 10/15/2007 2:10:04 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: Dumpster Baby

That would have made a hell of a batch of neckbones and rice!.........


13 posted on 10/15/2007 2:10:15 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Old Professer

Indeed. Even something as *small* as a giraffe needs to maintain substantial blood pressure merely to remain conscious. Granted, a dinosaur probably had a much more primative, undeveloped brain as compared to a camelopard, but it still needed some degree of circulation up at the end of the 56 feet of neck.


14 posted on 10/15/2007 2:12:18 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: trumandogz
How could dinosaurs exist 87,993,352 years before the earth was created?

Don't worry about that... our top creationist minds are working on that little detail right now. Solution forthcoming.

15 posted on 10/15/2007 2:12:27 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Futalognkosaurus (FOO-ta-long-koh-SOHR-us)

That sounds too much like "foot-long-o-saurus" and makes it sound like the main ingredient in a prehistoric hot dog.

Some will drool....others may consider themselves "above" eating the lowly tube-steak.

I already have a spread-sheet open to calculate the number of "foot-longs" one could harvest from a Futalognkosaurus

16 posted on 10/15/2007 2:12:29 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: tet68

For you believers out there, the pre-flood vapor canopy theory explains this nicely. With 2X the oxygen density in the atmosphere, little fluctuation in daytime and night temperatures, plus abundant moisture, plants and things would grow VERY large. Further, if you believe that before the Fall, there was no sin and thus no death in the world, animals without a growth inhibiting factor (like fish and reptiles)would continue growing as long as they were alive. There are even skeletal examples of very large people who lived in pre-historic times. Or not, if you prefer.


17 posted on 10/15/2007 2:12:57 PM PDT by whipitgood (Let's burn some MEXICAN flags!)
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To: tet68
HOw could something that large subsist as a herbivore? It would have to consume tons of fodder a day?

Global Warming helped grow huge plants until the big dinosaurs, the SUV's of the era, emitted enough methane to ignite the flora and fauna, thus hastening their demise.............

18 posted on 10/15/2007 2:13:10 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Alter Kaker
105-Foot Dinosaur Unearthed in Argentina

Doesn't look much over 5'3" if you ask me.


19 posted on 10/15/2007 2:16:37 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Alter Kaker

So that’s where they’re outsourcing all those newspaper & MSM jobs being cast out here in North America!


20 posted on 10/15/2007 2:22:08 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: whipitgood; tet68
For you believers out there, the pre-flood vapor canopy theory explains this nicely.

1. A vapor canopy with more than twelve inches of precipitable water would raise the temperature of the earth above boiling (Morton 1979). A vapor canopy of only four inches of water would raise the temperature of the earth to 144 degrees F. It is worth noting that several prominent creationists agree with this conclusion, yet their close colleagues continue to teach that there was a vapor canopy (Morton 2000).

2. A vapor canopy capable of producing the global flood would have increased earth's atmospheric pressure from 15 PSI to 970 PSI.

Source: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH310.html

21 posted on 10/15/2007 2:31:31 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: tet68

You must be Clueless. Ask that noted Vegan, Alicia Silverstone


22 posted on 10/15/2007 2:32:11 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Old Professer
Dinosaurs had multiple hearts to overcome gravity. Their brains were contained in more than one location so you might say that like the Apple III they performed distributed processing.

Now you know where the term dinosaur operating system comes from.

23 posted on 10/15/2007 2:36:46 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Joe 6-pack
“it still needed some degree of circulation “
Maybe it had auxiliary pumping stations in it’s suburban areas?
24 posted on 10/15/2007 2:44:48 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: whipitgood

Are you serious?


25 posted on 10/15/2007 2:47:21 PM PDT by disrgr
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To: tet68

Imagine a nest of these hatching and the mother dino faced with a dozen beaks open at once: “Feed me! Now!”


26 posted on 10/15/2007 2:48:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: trumandogz
How could dinosaurs exist 87,993,352 years before the earth was created?

The Lord himself planted all that fossil evidence there to test our faith. Get with the program. Jeez.

27 posted on 10/15/2007 2:57:03 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Alter Kaker
I don't know why you're saying it's "new" and been "discovered". It's always been there, and the guys from the GEICO commercial could probably tell you its name if you bothered to ask them, but, no, you probably think that they were too dumb to beat off the dinosaurs while they were, I don't know, founding civilization as we know it . . .

;-)
(I won't mention a certain TV show that doesn't deserve to be named.)

28 posted on 10/15/2007 2:59:58 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When the dog bites, when the bee stings, when you're feeling sad ... Bush's fault.)
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To: trumandogz

how could global warming be wrong if Al Gore won the nobel prize?


29 posted on 10/15/2007 3:17:53 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: numberonepal

That was exactly the answer a coworker gave me one time when I brought up the fossil record in a discussion on science versus creationism. He was totally convinced that Earth was only 6000 years old.


30 posted on 10/15/2007 3:17:55 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Dumpster Baby
That was exactly the answer a coworker gave me one time when I brought up the fossil record in a discussion on science versus creationism. He was totally convinced that Earth was only 6000 years old.

You'd be amazed at the number of people on Free Republic who believe that... it's a strange world we live in.

31 posted on 10/15/2007 3:19:42 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

yes it’s so amazing there are people on FR who take their religion seriously. If you go to daily kos or DU you won’t find too many people who do.


32 posted on 10/15/2007 3:29:22 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I worked with engineers that believed it


33 posted on 10/15/2007 3:30:21 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: Alter Kaker

The only Christians that believe that crap do not know anything about Bible Scripture. The Bible does not teach that, they just heard it from some other Christian and took it to be true. I’m a Christian and know that the earth is millions of years old.


34 posted on 10/15/2007 3:32:54 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: ari-freedom
yes it’s so amazing there are people on FR who take their religion seriously.

I'm all for taking religion seriously, but I'm not in favor of placing dogmatic (mis)interpretation of scripture in direct opposition to, well, reality.

If you read scripture that you believe says the sky is green and the grass is blue, you have three options. First, you can abandon your faith. Second, you can question your interpretation of the scripture, given the obvious facts. Third, you can believe that the grass is indeed blue and the sky is indeed green regardless of what your own eyes tell you. I chose the second of those options. Clearly, others chose the third.

35 posted on 10/15/2007 3:37:32 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
That's a Big 'un!

Alexander Kellner, left, a researcher with the Brazilian National Museum, and Argentine paleontologists Jorge Calvo, center, and Juan Porfiri, display parts of a skeleton of what could be a new dinosaur species, a 105-foot plant-eater, Futalognkosaurus dukei dinosaur, during a news conference in Rio de Janeiro, Monday, Oct. 15, 2007. The Patagonian dinosaur was uncovered on the banks of Lake Barreales in the Argentine province of Neuquen and according with the scientists the giant herbivore walked the Earth some 88 million years ago, during the late Cretaceous period. (AP Photo/Ricardo Morales)

36 posted on 10/15/2007 3:44:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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Graphic shows schematic drawing of new giant dinosaur
and parts of its skeleton that were discovered in Argentina.


37 posted on 10/15/2007 3:45:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Alter Kaker
""I'm pretty certain it's a new species," agreed Peter Mackovicky..."

That's funny, but I'm pretty certain that it's an old species. Ba dump bump!

38 posted on 10/15/2007 3:46:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Young Werther

Such as “explained” and illustrated here?

http://www.levenspiel.com/octave/OL_images/DinosaurW.pdf


39 posted on 10/15/2007 3:48:10 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"Maybe it had auxiliary pumping stations in it’s suburban areas?"

All I know is that when considering the biology of a 105 ft. herbivore, one would do well to steer clear of the major outlets during rush hour!

40 posted on 10/15/2007 4:09:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Alter Kaker
There’s a six foot dinosaur in Cuba with the name of Fidel.
41 posted on 10/15/2007 4:11:36 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Alter Kaker

“Third, you can believe that the grass is indeed blue”

It is in Kentucky!

:0)


42 posted on 10/15/2007 4:20:28 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: zencat
Futalognkosaurus dukei

Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

Sounds like it is referring to coprolites...(translated):

futa = fu??(ing)

loqnko = long

saurus = lizard

dukei = dookie

:)

43 posted on 10/15/2007 4:48:39 PM PDT by eldoradude (Think for yourself!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Hmmmm . . . . . . . I WONDERED where Rosie had disappeared to after Baba Wawa gave her her walking papers!!

Argentina . . . . . . WHO KNEW!!???


44 posted on 10/15/2007 4:53:03 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Alter Kaker
"Don't worry about that... our top creationist minds are working on that little detail right now. Solution forthcoming."

Yep, the "Yabuts"* will soon be hard at work.

(* From the Pennsylvania Dutch: "Ya.....BUT.....")

45 posted on 10/15/2007 4:55:14 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: whipitgood
"Further, if you believe that before the Fall, there was no sin and thus no death in the world, animals without a growth inhibiting factor (like fish and reptiles)would continue growing as long as they were alive."

Now, there is a genuine dumb@$$ statement! If there were "no death in the world", what caused them to become no longer alive?

Plus, where in Scripture does it say anything about human sin affecting the lifespan of (other) animals?

Besides, without death, there can be no continued life.

Face it: you are neither equipped scripturally or scientifically for this discussion. Bow out and leave it to the believers who are -- and stop being an embarassment to all intelligent believers.

46 posted on 10/15/2007 5:18:14 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Alter Kaker
a 105-foot plant-eater

Ain't no such thing for a creature that size. No telling how many cavemen were accidentally eaten while hiding in the shrubbery and that big honkin' lizard never even knew it.......

47 posted on 10/15/2007 5:20:40 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: TXnMA

Spoken like a real Texan! Sure glad I left there when I did.


48 posted on 10/15/2007 5:44:58 PM PDT by whipitgood (Let's burn some MEXICAN flags!)
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To: TXnMA

Spoken like a true Texan! Sure glad I left there when I did.


49 posted on 10/15/2007 5:49:22 PM PDT by whipitgood (Let's burn some MEXICAN flags!)
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To: whipitgood
"Sure glad I left there when I did."

Amen!

50 posted on 10/15/2007 7:15:09 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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