New Jersey: Clinton 51% Giuliani 40%

Rasmussen Reports ^ | October 16, 2007 | Rasmussen Reports

[SwinneySwitch]

Hillary and the dems are in trouble if this is even close.

[Clemenza]

SE Florida is filled with Noo Yawk liberals. Where do you think Wexler, Klien, and Wasserman-Schlussel were born anyway? There is about as much a chance of ANY Republican carrying Palm Beach or Broward Counties as there is of I bedding Scarlett Johanssen.

The only immigrant group that has had any effect on Florida elections are the Cubans, and they still vote majority Republican in state and local elections. The Mexicans and Central Americans are there, but are not registered to vote in large numbers. The main area of influx of Democratic voters has been in the Orlando area and that is because of Puerto Ricans (from both the island and NY/NJ), who are US citizens at birth.

There were folks in Palm Beach County in the 1980s that said "don't worry, we will remain Republican because all of the New Yorkers are fleeing high taxes." The opposite happenned, as people tend to bring their politics of their homestates with them.

[chimera]

OH pretty much went blue in ‘06. The GOP nominee is going to have to work very, very hard here to win in ‘08. Bush beat Kerry by a smaller margin than he did Gore in 2000, so the trend is against us. If Hillary tips it to the ‘Rats in ‘08, that’s 20 electoral votes gone from the GOP column, and I don’t see where we can go to make them up.

[bill1952]

You are not mentioning that a good deal of them are dying.

The newer models that are fleeing, and not simply retiring as used to be the case, are a somewhat different breed.

And there are increasing numbers of them as the NE and other failed liberal states are losing their populations and inviting immigrants in as replacements, thus hastening the out-flux.

Certainly the inner cities and such are democrat infested but from what I see - and this could, I suppose, reverse - the state is becoming less of a swing state and more solidly GOP.
Certainly (hillary!) is not counting on Florida.
Look at the vote shifts in the last decade and you will see the trend.

But the general idea of folks bringing failed politics with them is disturbing.

[exit82]

Good for you.

I made the move out a year and half ago, and I am so glad I’m out of there after 52 years.

NJ doesn’t realize that it will financially implode in a few years. And that is no joke.

People with means, the producers, are moving out in droves. Illegals are moving in. They require services and handouts.

Soon there won’t be enough producers to pay the taxes.

Mr. Corzine, for being such a financial wizard, is tap dancing around the issue, whistling past the graveyard.

In the face of all this, NJ has a $ 450 million bond issue on the ballot for EMBRYONIC stem cell research.

Sure, pay $ 2 billion back over thirty years to fund research that hasn’t accomplished a single thing yet, nor is there any promise that it will. That money will fall down a big rathole. And since when is it the government’s role to fund medical research to this ridiculous financial level?

The whole NJ government needs to go to the big house.

[bill1952]

Ohio is a key state at a key time in history.
Without it, the GOP is virtually out of National politics.

The NE is cobalt blue, done and gone, and if the mid West and Ohio are gone as well, then the GOP is toast for the foreseeable future as more third world immigrants will be rushed in to turn America into a third world cesspool that will always vote the cradle to grave care that is a characteristic of the self centered, lowest common denominator, sloth like existence.

And my children will be out of it. In fact, I'm planning for that right now.

[chimera]

OH and IN have been the floodwalls stemming the blue tide sweeping out of the Northeast and into the Great Lakes region. PA is gone. IL is gone. MI is a loser. WI and MN have been close in recent years but when push comes to shove they will fall into the 'Rat column. IN and OH are about all we have north of the Mason-Dixon and east of the Mississippi. VA is starting to look wobbly.

We need to look at the electoral map and put our resources into fights we can win. If the national GOP spends a dime in places like NJ or NY on the presidential race, even if Giuliani is the nominee, they'd be throwing money down a sewer. I'm not a big believer in the "spend money to make the 'Rats spend money", because all you do is spend money in a losing cause. Better to spend money on those races where you have a chance to win, because money spent on winners is a lot better than money spent on losers.

[Clemenza]

I admire your optimism, but most of the folks still moving down to SE Florida from New York and New Jersey are far from conservative.

Thankfully, there are still many folks moving from the Midwest and even other southern states, to the WEST coast or northern Florida. THOSE people are OK, but you would be fooling yourself if you think the folks from the northeast who continue to settle on the east coast of the state are becoming good Republicans when they move down.

[bill1952]

Most of the folks that I know here on the East Coast who have moved down from the NE either were pubs who could no longer stand living under the heel, or became so fed up with that system that they found a way out of the matrix on their own and fled here.

Don’t discount them. - People are moving here for some good reasons, and they aren’t simply moving here just to spend golden years baking in the sun.

But I see your points. Thank you for your post. - bill