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Rice sees 'moment of opportunity'
AP on Yahoo ^ | 10/17/07 | Matthew Lee - ap

Posted on 10/17/2007 1:12:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

JERUSALEM - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that Israelis and Palestinians have a new "moment of opportunity" to forge peace despite the eruption of fresh tensions between the two sides over preparations for a U.S.-hosted Mideast conference.

Even as President Bush said he was optimistic about the conference and the creation of a Palestinian state, Rice faced growing difficulties in her efforts to organize the meeting set for November or December to launch formal Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

Rice cautioned the going would be tough as she wrapped up four days of intense shuttle diplomacy during which she met twice with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to bridge wide gaps over a declaration the conference is to endorse.

"I do think it is moment of opportunity, but there is very hard work ahead," Rice told reporters at a news conference with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who's leading the Israeli negotiating team.

Underscoring the challenges, the Palestinians accused Israel of not being serious enough and Abbas said Israeli actions, including West Bank military raids, were damaging the pre-conference atmosphere.

Israel is "hindering the endeavor to reach a document with substance," Abbas said after seeing Rice at his office in Ramallah, stressing little time is left for the meeting. "We must not waste time."

The Israelis and Palestinians have vastly different expectations for the conference, where they are to present a document that would start negotiations to create a Palestinian state. The Palestinians want a detailed document. The Israelis favor a general agreement.

A senior Palestinian official said Abbas was disappointed by U.S. suggestions that he significantly scale back their demands for the joint statement to address Israeli concerns.

The Palestinians want the document to include at least a sentence or two on how to solve each of the issues of dispute, such as borders and Jerusalem, the Palestinians have maintained.

The Palestinians' core demand is that the future border between Israel and Palestine be based on the pre-1967 Mideast War lines, with modifications through land swaps. Israel captured the West Bank and other areas in the 1967 war.

Rice asked Abbas whether he could accept a more vaguely worded statement, which would not mention the 1967 lines, said the Palestinian official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the meeting with reporters.

She also asked whether the Palestinians were willing to drop a mention of Palestinian refugees, another key issue for the Palestinians, from the document, the official said.

Rice did not address the Palestinian complaints, but Livni appeared annoyed when asked about them and said she would not stoop to "play the blame game" or divulge sensitive information about negotiations over the document.

Livni did not address the issue of the 1967 borders but warned that excessive expectations that Palestinians might have if the document is detailed could lead to "frustration and violence."

Livni also appeared to suggest that the matter of Palestinian refugees could be resolved by them returning to the future Palestine, a position that has infuriated the Palestinian side in the past.

But she also reiterated Israel's commitment to a two-state solution and said the Jewish state would make difficult compromises if the Palestinians would, too. She said her negotiating team would have a second meeting with their Palestinian counterparts this week.

While Rice was engaged in tough diplomacy on the ground, Bush told reporters in Washington that he was pleased with his top diplomat's progress and promised a staunch U.S. effort to make the conference a success.

"The reason why there needs to be a vision of what a state could look like is because the Palestinians that have been made promises all these years need to see there's a serious, focused effort to step up a state," Bush said.

He also said he is seeking an Arab "buy-in" for a peace deal, something Rice is also pressing for on her mission. She met with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on Tuesday in Cairo and will see Jordan's King Abdullah II in London on Thursday.

Arab countries, notably U.S. allies Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, have been reluctant to commit to attending the conference unless there are guarantees that it will yield firm results.

But Rice appeared to have won Egypt's backing. After her talks in Cairo, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit endorsed the conference publicly less than 24 hours after suggesting it be postponed.

On Wednesday, ahead of Rice's meeting with King Abdullah, a senior Jordanian official echoed the initial Egyptian sentiments, saying the conference should be delayed if more time is deemed necessary.

Rice started her day with an emotional visit to Jesus' traditional birthplace in the West Bank town of Bethlehem. The daughter and granddaughter of Presbyterian ministers, she lit a candle in the grotto and paused for prayer.

"Being here at the birthplace of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has been a very special and moving experience," she said at the Church of the Nativity. "It is also, I think, a personal reminder that the Prince of Peace is still with us."

In Bethlehem, Rice saw Israel's contentious West Bank separation barrier, which lines the town on two sides.

Israel started building the West Bank barrier in 2002 as a defense against Palestinian attackers who have killed hundreds of Israelis in recent years. Palestinians say the barrier's meandering route cuts off large chunks of land they want for a future state.

Rice said she understood why Israel would need a barrier but that she hoped it would not be necessary in the future.

"Let's be real. There is a security problem," she said. "I look forward to a day when security is brought about in a different way, which is two states living side by side."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: middleeast; moment; opportunity; rice

1 posted on 10/17/2007 1:12:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, center, is seen during her visit to the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2007. Rice, a devout Christian, visited Jesus' traditional birthplace Wednesday in a symbolic bid to urge Israel and the Palestinians to move quickly to resume formal peace negotiations. Rice has been meeting with Israeli, Palestinian and Egyptian leaders this week as part of preparations for a U.S.-hosted peace conference in November or December. (AP Photo/Oleg Popov, pool)


2 posted on 10/17/2007 1:13:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

I suppose she’s only following instructions, but am I the only one to have been greatly disappointed in Condee Rice for the past three years or so?

I haven’t said so before, because I feel badly about it.


3 posted on 10/17/2007 1:15:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

The only side with opportunity are the Palestinians...seems Israel is once again, sacrificing for peace.


4 posted on 10/17/2007 1:16:09 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: NormsRevenge

Yawn. And this plan will succeed when every other one has failed? And I’ll be seeing pigs fly when it happens.


5 posted on 10/17/2007 1:17:25 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Israelis and Palestinians have a new “moment of opportunity” to forge peace”

Rhetoric which I hope no one seriously believes. The only ‘moment of opportunity’ the Palestinians are looking for is a chance to kill every Jew in Israel. That’s the truth that any lasting peace must first address.


6 posted on 10/17/2007 1:17:38 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Cicero
The State Department has not been user friendly!
7 posted on 10/17/2007 1:17:46 PM PDT by Right_Rev ("We need to get back to winning arguments by our ideas, not our ability to call people names.")
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To: Cicero

Condi doesn’t call the plays. Her boss does.


8 posted on 10/17/2007 1:19:36 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Spok

A false peace will develop in the not to distant future...


9 posted on 10/17/2007 1:20:21 PM PDT by Right_Rev ("We need to get back to winning arguments by our ideas, not our ability to call people names.")
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To: NormsRevenge


peace ... peace ... when there is no peace ... the stage is being set
10 posted on 10/17/2007 1:22:35 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Right_Rev

The evaah so brilliant Condi, just another fool on a fool’s errand...
Hate to say so but the best result will not be peace and certainly not be more land given up to Islamist terrorist!
Where is the Condi for Prez crowd now?


11 posted on 10/17/2007 1:26:35 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: dmz; Cicero
That's why a lot of people that supported her, cut her slack for so long.

I was very disappointed with her NK handling, then she followed up with more inanity in the ME.

Bush's orders or not, she's more than smart enough to know better.

She should resign, instead of supporting policies that not only create more terrorism in the world, but encourage it, imho.

12 posted on 10/17/2007 1:33:05 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: NormsRevenge

“Israelis and Palestinians have a new “moment of opportunity”

I guess that she means that the Palestinians have momentarily run out of ammunition and it’s quiet enough to talk right now as they wait for fellow terrorists to replenish their supplies.


13 posted on 10/17/2007 1:38:57 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Slapshot68
The only side with opportunity are the Palestinians... ...who never miss the opportunity to miss an opportunity.
14 posted on 10/17/2007 1:41:07 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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15 posted on 10/17/2007 1:41:47 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: NormsRevenge
If Condi Rice were a follower of the Christ
and read and understood the Holy Word of Elohim,
she would understand there will be no peace
in G-d's Holy Land until Yah'shua returns.

That will only occur when the Israeli nation
cry out for their salvation by calling on his name:

Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation )


16 posted on 10/17/2007 1:46:54 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt; Right_Rev; 444Flyer; Esther Ruth; Salem; Thinkin' Gal; Convert from ECUSA

amen


17 posted on 10/17/2007 1:48:34 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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I have an idea for Condi, actually it’s her idea. Let’s play Road Map!

Start with Phase I, which was to be completed by December, 2003. Israel was in compliance with most of it at that time. Settlement expansion would be the only problem today. Four years later the palestinians haven’t done a thing.

Give them another 6 months, if they’ve ceased terror, dismantled terror groups, recognized Israel, and retaken Gaza, they can come to Washington and discuss Phase II.

Text of Israel's 14 comments on the road map

Text: Abu Mazen tells PLC he avoided complying with Roadmap

Israel's Conditions

1. Both at the commencement of and during the process, and as a condition to its continuance. Calm will be maintained. The Palestinians will dismantle the existing security organizations and implement security reforms during the course of which new organizations will be formed and act to combat terror, violence and incitement (incitement must cease immediately and the Palestinian Authority must educate for peace). These organizations will engage in genuine prevention of terror and violence through arrests, interrogations, prevention and the enforcement of the legal groundwork for investigations, prosecution and punishment. In the first phase of the plan and as a condition for progress to the second phase, the Palestinians will complete the dismantling of terrorist organizations (Hamas. Islamic Jihad. the Popular Front, the Democratic Front Al-Aqsa Brigades and other apparatuses) and their infrastructure, collection of all illegal weapons and their transfer to a third party for the sake of being removed from the area and destroyed., cessation of weapons smuggling and weapons production inside the Palestinian Authority, activation of the full prevention apparatus and cessation of incitement. There will be no progress to the second phase without the fulfillment of all above-mentioned conditions relating to the war against terror. The security plans to be implemented are the Tenet and Zinni plans. [As in the other mutual frameworks. the Roadmap will not state that Israel must cease violence and incitement against the Palestinians].

2. Full performance will be a condition for progress between phases and for progress within phases. The first condition for progress will be the complete cessation of terror, violence and incitement. Progress between phases will come only following the full implementation of the preceding phase. Attention will be paid not to timelines, but to performance benchmarks (timelines will serve only as reference points).

...snip..

Phase I: Ending Terror And Violence, Normalizing Palestinian Life, and Building Palestinian Institutions -- Present to May 2003

In Phase I, the Palestinians immediately undertake an unconditional cessation of violence according to the steps outlined below; such action should be accompanied by supportive measures undertaken by Israel. Palestinians and Israelis resume security cooperation based on the Tenet work plan to end violence, terrorism, and incitement through restructured and effective Palestinian security services. Palestinians undertake comprehensive political reform in preparation for statehood, including drafting a Palestinian constitution, and free, fair and open elections upon the basis of those measures. Israel takes all necessary steps to help normalize Palestinian life. Israel withdraws from Palestinian areas occupied from September 28, 2000 and the two sides restore the status quo that existed at that time, as security performance and cooperation progress. Israel also freezes all settlement activity, consistent with the Mitchell report.

At the outset of Phase I:

+Palestinian leadership issues unequivocal statement reiterating Israel’s right to exist in peace and security and calling for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire to end armed activity and all acts of violence against Israelis anywhere. All official Palestinian institutions end incitement against Israel. +Israeli leadership issues unequivocal statement affirming its commitment to the two-state vision of an independent, viable, sovereign Palestinian state living in peace and security alongside Israel, as expressed by President Bush, and calling for an immediate end to violence against Palestinians everywhere. All official Israeli institutions end incitement against Palestinians.

Security

+Palestinians declare an unequivocal end to violence and terrorism and undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere.

+Rebuilt and refocused Palestinian Authority security apparatus begins sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at confronting all those engaged in terror and dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure. This includes commencing confiscation of illegal weapons and consolidation of security authority, free of association with terror and corruption.

+GOI takes no actions undermining trust, including deportations, attacks on civilians; confiscation and/or demolition of Palestinian homes and property, as a punitive measure or to facilitate Israeli construction; destruction of Palestinian institutions and infrastructure; and other measures specified in the Tenet work plan.

+Relying on existing mechanisms and on-the-ground resources, Quartet representatives begin informal monitoring and consult with the parties on establishment of a formal monitoring mechanism and its implementation. +Implementation, as previously agreed, of U.S. rebuilding, training and resumed security cooperation plan in collaboration with outside oversight board (U.S.–Egypt–Jordan). Quartet support for efforts to achieve a lasting, comprehensive cease-fire.

-All Palestinian security organizations are consolidated into three services reporting to an empowered Interior Minister.

-Restructured/retrained Palestinian security forces and IDF counterparts progressively resume security cooperation and other undertakings in implementation of the Tenet work plan, including regular senior-level meetings, with the participation of U.S. security officials.

+Arab states cut off public and private funding and all other forms of support for groups supporting and engaging in violence and terror.

+All donors providing budgetary support for the Palestinians channel these funds through the Palestinian Ministry of Finance's Single Treasury Account.

+As comprehensive security performance moves forward, IDF withdraws progressively from areas occupied since September 28, 2000 and the two sides restore the status quo that existed prior to September 28, 2000. Palestinian security forces redeploy to areas vacated by IDF.

Palestinian Institution-Building

+Immediate action on credible process to produce draft constitution for Palestinian statehood. As rapidly as possible, constitutional committee circulates draft Palestinian constitution, based on strong parliamentary democracy and cabinet with empowered prime minister, for public comment/debate. Constitutional committee proposes draft document for submission after elections for approval by appropriate Palestinian institutions.

+Appointment of interim prime minister or cabinet with empowered executive authority/decision-making body.

+GOI fully facilitates travel of Palestinian officials for PLC and Cabinet sessions, internationally supervised security retraining, electoral and other reform activity, and other supportive measures related to the reform efforts.

+Continued appointment of Palestinian ministers empowered to undertake fundamental reform. Completion of further steps to achieve genuine separation of powers, including any necessary Palestinian legal reforms for this purpose.

+Establishment of independent Palestinian election commission. PLC reviews and revises election law.

+Palestinian performance on judicial, administrative, and economic benchmarks, as established by the International Task Force on Palestinian Reform.

+As early as possible, and based upon the above measures and in the context of open debate and transparent candidate selection/electoral campaign based on a free, multi-party process, Palestinians hold free, open, and fair elections.

+GOI facilitates Task Force election assistance, registration of voters, movement of candidates and voting officials. Support for NGOs involved in the election process.

+GOI reopens Palestinian Chamber of Commerce and other closed Palestinian institutions in East Jerusalem based on a commitment that these institutions operate strictly in accordance with prior agreements between the parties.

Humanitarian Response

+Israel takes measures to improve the humanitarian situation. Israel and Palestinians implement in full all recommendations of the Bertini report to improve humanitarian conditions, lifting curfews and easing restrictions on movement of persons and goods, and allowing full, safe, and unfettered access of international and humanitarian personnel.

+AHLC reviews the humanitarian situation and prospects for economic development in the West Bank and Gaza and launches a major donor assistance effort, including to the reform effort.

+GOI and PA continue revenue clearance process and transfer of funds, including arrears, in accordance with agreed, transparent monitoring mechanism.

Civil Society

+Continued donor support, including increased funding through PVOs/NGOs, for people to people programs, private sector development and civil society initiatives.

Settlements

+GOI immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001. +Consistent with the Mitchell Report, GOI freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements).


18 posted on 10/17/2007 1:51:54 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: NormsRevenge
fresh tensions between the two sides over preparations for a U.S.-hosted Mideast conference.

Who decides when these "conferences" need to be held? Why now? There seems to be an accelerated push for this "Palestinian" state.

19 posted on 10/17/2007 2:07:04 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Cicero

You’re not the only one. I guess it bears remembering that Secretary Rice’s college mentor was Madeleine Albright’s father. Then there’s just congenital Foggy Bottom Syndrome, which appears to invade the brain of even the most competent-seeming Secretaries of State and force them to engage in futile negotiations with the Palestinians. It’s like the merry-go-round from hell.


20 posted on 10/17/2007 2:21:17 PM PDT by Argus
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To: SJackson

And, of course, the Palis ALWAYS abide by the rules ... /s


21 posted on 10/17/2007 2:23:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Cicero
...but am I the only one to have been greatly disappointed in Condee Rice for the past three years or so?

Not quite the words I would choose. Mine would be a little stronger. Betrayal might be one that fits.

22 posted on 10/17/2007 2:27:46 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: NormsRevenge

The Palestinians never miss the opportunity to screw up the “peace” process.

How many of these moments of opportunity have our diplomats and Presidents announced over the last 50 years?


23 posted on 10/17/2007 2:40:31 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Lijahsbubbe

This is the 2007 opening gambit of the newly established tradition of lame duck presidential administrations going into a foaming-at-the-mouth panic to build a last minute legacy by attempting to broker a palestinian-Israeli peace deal.

The primary strategery employed is to accept ever increasing outlandish demands from palestinian maniacs while at the same time beating Israel into submission so they will make additional suicidal concessions.

Condirisha already showed her negotiating skills in the laughable deal she cut to end the Lebanon-Israeli conflict.

Can she bring those same skills to bear in this negotiation?

Will Israel survive if she does?


24 posted on 10/17/2007 2:59:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Who decides when these “conferences” need to be held? Why now? There seems to be an accelerated push for this “Palestinian” state.

***

EU’s solana mentioned something about the planets getting in a right position - new age mumbo jumbo astrology etc.

http://gmfus.org/brusselsforum/doc/FiresideChatwithJavierSolana.doc

Now I think that the planets are getting in a southern distribution that they were intelligent, and we put energy, and we put focus and focus is very important and in our resources. We may be able to move the process forward. Big question mark is time. We don’t have much time.

****

Bible forbids astrology

25 posted on 10/17/2007 3:14:46 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: NormsRevenge
"Rice sees 'moment of opportunity'"

A 'moment of opportunity' to attempt what? The forced division of the Jewish capital of Jerusalem, or turning over all of Samaria and Judea over to Arab terrorists?

26 posted on 10/17/2007 3:18:30 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: F15Eagle
"peace ... peace ... when there is no peace ... the stage is being set"

That statement is sooooo true considering what other evil deeds are ongoing in the region.

Russia promises to complete A-plant in Iran

27 posted on 10/17/2007 3:26:23 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: XeniaSt; F15Eagle

“Being here at the birthplace of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has been a very special and moving experience,” she said at the Church of the Nativity. “It is also, I think, a personal reminder that the Prince of Peace is still with us.”

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Christians believe Christ Jesus their Lord and God resides IN them and that He does not leave them once He does come in and reside IN them - Why would a Christian need a REMINDER that Jesus Christ is STILL with them.

This sounds new age instead of Biblical thinking. Jesus Christ (who is The Prince of Peace) has always resided IN believers who have put their trust in Him and have been born again.


28 posted on 10/17/2007 3:26:40 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Esther Ruth; F15Eagle
; “Being here at the birthplace of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has been a very special and moving experience,” she said at the Church of the Nativity. “It is also, I think, a personal reminder that the Prince of Peace is still with us.”

***

Christians believe Christ Jesus their Lord and God resides IN them and that He does not leave them once He does come in and reside IN them - Why would a Christian need a REMINDER that Jesus Christ is STILL with them.

This sounds new age instead of Biblical thinking. Jesus Christ (who is The Prince of Peace) has always resided IN believers who have put their trust in Him and have been born again.

28 posted on 10/17/2007 4:26:40 PM MDT by Esther Ruth

Your point is well taken.

This is another indication that Ms Rice does not know Yah'shua

shalom b'shem Yah'shua
29 posted on 10/17/2007 3:33:24 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Maybe she does but is still sounds new age instead of Biblical

Galatians 2:20 ... but Christ liveth in me
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you...
Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith...

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


30 posted on 10/17/2007 4:02:08 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Iron Munro
lame duck presidential administrations going into a foaming-at-the-mouth panic to build a last minute legacy

Ah, it all makes sense now. Except that, looking back, I do believe that this has been an ongoing presidential tradition.

31 posted on 10/17/2007 4:20:57 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Esther Ruth

Wow. That’s crazy. Leading figures openly admitting that they’re being led by the stars.


32 posted on 10/17/2007 4:25:48 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Esther Ruth
If she does not know the word of G-d
then she does not know the living Word of G-d

33 posted on 10/17/2007 4:36:47 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
>Leading figures openly admitting that they’re being led by the stars.

Modern public education.

Decadent: adj; "fallen from a higher plane or ideal"

34 posted on 10/17/2007 4:50:05 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: Right_Rev; Cicero
The State Department has not been user friendly!

This is another example in the government of an executive appointee being captured by the mindset and world view of the agency they are sent to control. It happens all the time in government, and is one of the intrinsic problems with a civil service bureaucracy. If you want to change the government's policies, the Andrew Jackson approach of the 'Spoils System' does the job. If you want to reduce individual corruption, independently selected personnel does the job. No one has implemented a system to do both.

35 posted on 10/17/2007 5:28:45 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: SJackson
+Palestinians declare an unequivocal end to violence and terrorism and undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere.

Umm, I have to say that this condition has not been met.

36 posted on 10/17/2007 8:35:10 PM PDT by Sender (Can I just post until I need glasses?)
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To: Right_Rev
The State Department has not been user friendly!

My reply from the State Department today:

Jerusalem, Israel [Incident: 071015-000208]

Recently you requested personal assistance from our on-line support center. Below is a summary of your request and our response.

Thank you for contacting the State Department.

Subject --------------------------------------------------------------- Jerusalem, Israel

Discussion Thread --------------------------------------------------------------- Response (Support Agent) - 10/17/2007 11:53 AM

The Bureau of Public Affairs is in receipt of your message. Please know that all views are welcome and we appreciate the time you took to express your concerns.

Secretary Rice and President Bush are committed to making the world a better place for all Americans and all people.

We encourage you to visit our website at www.state.gov for information on the Secretary and Department publications.

Thank you for contacting the U.S. Department of State.

Question Reference #071015-000208 ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date Created: 10/15/2007 08:49 PM
Last Updated: 10/17/2007 11:53 AM
Status: Solved

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37 posted on 10/17/2007 8:41:47 PM PDT by Sender (Can I just post until I need glasses?)
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To: Cicero; NormsRevenge
"...I suppose she’s only following instructions, but am I the only one to have been greatly disappointed in Condee Rice for the past three years or so?..."

I agree that she's just following orders, and that those orders are to keep trying diplomacy, while we are preparing for the end-all war. And she knows what she's doing.

Sorta like saying: "Nice Doggy", while you're picking up a baseball bat ............................ FRegards

38 posted on 10/17/2007 10:10:05 PM PDT by gonzo (My Mother never understood the irony of calling me a 'son-of-a-bitch' ...)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
I do believe that this has been an ongoing presidential tradition

You are absolutely correct.

Whenever I think about this kind of diplomatic blitz I have visions of Madeline "Mad Maddie" Albright when Arafat walked out of the peace negfotiations in the Paris US Embassy, October, 2000.
Wobbling and teetering on her heels as she breathlessly chases Yasir Arafat out of the door, rolly-polly Maddie yells at the Marine guards, "Close the gates! Close the gates!"

To some extent, Condi began morphing into another Albright the moment she was sworn in as Secretary of State.

I suppose this kind of negotiating dementia began in the Carter administration but it is sad to see President Bush playing the old role of a hapless Charley Brown to the Palestinians' Lucy as they tempt him with the football he will never get to kick and the legacy-building peace agreement he will never get to broker.

39 posted on 10/18/2007 8:37:07 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Duncan Hunter: Israel Shouldn’t Give an Inch

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/22/93841.shtml

Rep. Duncan Hunter: ‘I Will Never Abandon Israel’

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/22/160234.shtml?s=lh

LGF Has Special Duncan Hunter Post About Israel
http://tammybruce.com/2007/05/lgf_has_special_dun.php

http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/19083/

An Interview With Duncan Hunter
http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/duncanhunter.php


40 posted on 10/19/2007 5:57:42 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: NormsRevenge

Believe nothing the palis say. They are muslims, therefore they are liars and murderers.


41 posted on 10/19/2007 6:01:50 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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