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Man steals large amounts of fuel in broad daylight
TampaBays10.com ^ | 10/17/2007 | Janie Porter

Posted on 10/18/2007 12:16:42 PM PDT by shooter223

Polk County, Florida – More charges are expected after deputies caught a Winter Haven man siphoning more than 923 gallons of fuel from underground tanks at gas stations in Pasco and Polk counties.

70-year-old Hobert Gibson was arrested Tuesday and charged with two counts of grand theft.

Over the last ten months, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd suspects Gibson has stolen 3,000 to 10,000 gallons of fuel each week. But so far, only one gas station has come forward.

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guess he thought the prices were too high
1 posted on 10/18/2007 12:16:45 PM PDT by shooter223
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To: shooter223

Damn, a very spry 70 year old!

Did he have a fuel tanker?
How else could you steal 10000 gallons?


2 posted on 10/18/2007 12:22:36 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: bill1952
How else could you steal 10000 gallons?

By driving an SUV. A lot.

3 posted on 10/18/2007 12:24:41 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: shooter223

He definitely deserves an ‘A’ for ingenuity.


4 posted on 10/18/2007 12:25:29 PM PDT by GOPmember
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To: shooter223

Excuse my ignorance, but how do you siphon from UNDERGROUND tanks? I was never able to get my ‘Oklahoma credit card’ to work on anything but above ground tanks.


5 posted on 10/18/2007 12:27:53 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Spok

Here is a link to the story:
http://www.polkonline.com/stories/101807/crime_heists.shtml


6 posted on 10/18/2007 12:29:26 PM PDT by A. Morgan (Fred Thompson’s solid, he does not waffle. Fred 2008!)
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To: bill1952

Side bet:

He has a tanker truck and told the gas stations he would sell them really cheap gas that he, uh, found.

Then he’s suck their tank dry, goober the measurement equipment to show the owner a big delivery, and get a check made out to cash (or maybe even cash money) for $2.00 a gallon.

He gets the gas and cash!

The owner thought he was buying stolen gas, so he’s a *little* reluctant to come forward...


7 posted on 10/18/2007 12:30:30 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: shooter223
I smell an inside job.

But so far, only one gas station has come forward.

8 posted on 10/18/2007 12:31:10 PM PDT by DManA
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To: GOPmember

Very shrewd......wrong way to live, though.


9 posted on 10/18/2007 12:31:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Spok

Electric pump?


10 posted on 10/18/2007 12:31:33 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: shooter223

Gee, I hate to see crooks cheating other crooks! (Tee-hee!)


11 posted on 10/18/2007 12:32:32 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: null and void

“The owner thought he was buying stolen gas, so he’s a *little* reluctant to come forward...”

Brilliant!


12 posted on 10/18/2007 12:33:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: shooter223
Judd estimates the operation has been going on since January, and said Gibson was responsible for stealing between 3,000 and 10,000 gallons of fuel each week from gas stations. Gibson would put the stolen fuel in larger tanks at his business property, Crews Towing, LLC at 3435 Recker Highway in Winter Haven and sell it to friends, arrest records indicate.

Well, surprise, surprise, surprise. The thief owned a towing company and was using it in his own trucks and selling it to his friends.

13 posted on 10/18/2007 12:33:36 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: shooter223

Geez, ingenious idea. Whoever the tipster was should be boiled in oil.


14 posted on 10/18/2007 12:34:35 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Proving once again, that you can’t cheat an honest man.


15 posted on 10/18/2007 12:35:35 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: null and void

“Electric pump?”

Yes, the article misuses the word ‘siphoning’, which only works when you are moving liquids downhill without the use of a pump.


16 posted on 10/18/2007 12:36:53 PM PDT by Spok
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To: shooter223

Thieves getting robbed by thieves.


17 posted on 10/18/2007 12:40:30 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Still needs a tanker truck for all of those schemes.
10,000 gallons weekly is a hell of a lot of fuel.

He would have to be reselling fuel to other stations, as well.

By their count, that is as much as 360,000 gallons and that is a lot of green.


18 posted on 10/18/2007 12:42:34 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: Spok
One can’t help but wonder whether he will be more vigorously prosecuted for failing to pay the gasoline and sales taxes, or for stealing the gas in the first place?
19 posted on 10/18/2007 12:42:35 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: bill1952
Damn, a very spry 70 year old!

What do you want to bet this guy has been doing nefarious things since his teens? No telling how many years he has been making off with the gas! They just have a guess that it has been since Jan.

20 posted on 10/18/2007 12:43:02 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: mysterio
Thieves getting robbed by thieves.

Your local gas station makes about 3¢ per gallon.

21 posted on 10/18/2007 12:44:27 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: Spok

Use a pump. Siphon is to “suck.” A pump sucks and then pushes.

BTW - 3,000 USG of gasoline = about 24,000 lbs. or 12 tons. I think he may have been taking less at a time.


22 posted on 10/18/2007 12:46:59 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: shooter223
"My big concern is, how could a station lose hundreds of gallons of fuel and not report it?" Judd asked.

That’s an easy one. You’re talking about gas stations and convenience stores. The only person that cares is the owner. The hired help only care that the till doesn’t come up short (if they even care about that) and that they don’t get caught lifting cigarettes or beer.

Owner comes up missing fuel that didn’t get pumped through the pump meters and his first assumption is that the tanks are leaking. Leaking tanks are a big deal. If a station owner really has leaking tanks he’d probably rather quietly/quickly unload the joint on someone else and let them deal with it (if possible – usually they’ll test tanks and ground for contamination before a sale).

23 posted on 10/18/2007 12:47:32 PM PDT by Who dat?
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To: null and void
Yeah, I've heard that. They actually only sell gas as a public service. Amazing that they don't just declare themselves nonprofit.

lol
24 posted on 10/18/2007 12:50:30 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: stephenjohnbanker

There was a similar scheme in the Austin area a little over a year ago.

A guy would find a closed gas station or one with just a teenager manning the register and proceed to park his truck next to the gas tanks. He would then open the tanks and start pumping. However, while he was doing that he started up a pressure washer and started washing the station’s parking lot.

If I recall correctly, he was caught when an owner of a closed station drove by and saw him washing his lot. He had probably stolen from more than a dozen stations before he was caught.


25 posted on 10/18/2007 12:52:32 PM PDT by Comstock1 (If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.)
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To: mysterio

On a per gallon basis gasoline is the second cheapest liquid you can buy.

Tap water is the first.


26 posted on 10/18/2007 12:53:44 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: bill1952
10K gallons is indeed a lot of fuel! So is the 360,000 gal. and the $972,000 it is worth at the pump, using an average of $2.70/gal. over the period since Jan.
27 posted on 10/18/2007 12:57:04 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: bill1952
To steal the fuel, Gibson would park his trailer over the openings to underground gas tanks. Then, deputies say, he would get in the trailer, remove a false floor, take off the tank cap, and put his own hose right in. Detectives say Gibson even dropped wooden blocks around the hole so no one would see what he was doing.

The trailer sat low to the ground, making it difficult even for trained law enforcement to see how Gibson did it.

28 posted on 10/18/2007 12:58:58 PM PDT by iowamark (FDT: Some think the way to beat the Democrats in November is to be more like them.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I hope he set some of that aside for attorney fees...
29 posted on 10/18/2007 12:59:17 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: shooter223

Interesting story.

There was a guy in Las Vegas who collected dry cleaning fuild for ‘diposal’ - and then later mix it into the cheap gas that was sold locally.

He was found out when his tranfer tank setup caught fire - visible to most of the valley. Located in the - then desert - area across from Nellis AFB Area III.

And gas was less than a dollar then (sigh)


30 posted on 10/18/2007 1:00:37 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: iowamark

Not as elegant as my scheme in post 7...


31 posted on 10/18/2007 1:01:25 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: bill1952
Did he have a fuel tanker? How else could you steal 10000 gallons?

Saw this on last night's news. He had a large closed trailer with a BIG tank in it and a hole in the floor. He had an electric pump driven by marine batteries.

He'd pull into a station and park the trailer over the fill pipe for the tanks and start pumping.

The story said they have store surveillance video of him chatting with a state trooper while he was pumping the fuel from the tank

32 posted on 10/18/2007 1:02:13 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: shooter223
This guy is an amateur.

We had a case here in GA back in the 70s where just about the entire government of a small Georgia town was stealing gasoline from the interstate pipeline and selling it on the sly.

There was a book out - The Trial of the Tallapoosa Twenty - vanity press, cheap paperback, badly written (and absolutely the worst photo of the U.S. Attorney you could imagine on the back cover), but it tells the whole story. If you can find a copy.

Friend of mine lived in Tallapoosa at the time. It was quite a scandal and nine days wonder when basically the entire city government went off to federal prison . . . .

33 posted on 10/18/2007 1:03:02 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Tenacious 1

The 3,000 - 10,000 gal. are estimates of what he stole per week. So all he needs is a 500gal tank in his tralier.


34 posted on 10/18/2007 1:04:16 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: shooter223; MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside; lesser_satan; Rb ver. 2.0; jdm

“I’m old! I was confused!”


35 posted on 10/18/2007 1:06:07 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: AnAmericanMother
basically the entire city government went off to federal prison

It's a start...

36 posted on 10/18/2007 1:07:09 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: Vermonter

He must have had a kick ass pump.

Think about the lift, head pressure, and rate of flow that you would want to transfer any large amount of fuel out from an underground tank.

My first thought was that he had a fuel tanker truck that he would drive up with when the station closed and pretend to pump fuel in.

Thanks for the heads up.


37 posted on 10/18/2007 1:10:53 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: null and void

Yeah, it’s a real steal. In this case, literally.


38 posted on 10/18/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: bill1952

I think everyone’s lucky he didn’t blow himself, the station and part of the neighborhood to smithereens!


39 posted on 10/18/2007 1:23:37 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: null and void
On a per gallon basis gasoline is the second cheapest liquid you can buy.

Oh...I don't think so. I used to work as a test engineer for a company that made municipal sewerage processing equipment. At some point in the development process it was necessary to test new designs with raw sewerage. You guessed it, we would have to pay a septic tank pumper to drive his "honey wagon" down to our local sewerage processing plant and bring back a couple thousand gallons. Since we payed him about $100 per trip that works out to about a nickel a gallon.

Since the stuff he brought back was technically not "raw", having been in transit through the underground conduits for three days or more and had begun the anaerobic digestion process, it was necessary to develop other sources. We finally built an "outhouse" with a flush toilet, magazine rack, electric lights and a locking door. It was actually the only two story outhouse I've ever seen. The plumbing below was connected to a heavy duty garbage disposal unit which discharged into a fifteen gallon carboy. The drill went like this: Close door, do your thing for science, flip on the grinder, flush. Do to the limited storage it was necessary to keep an eye on the carboy and change them out as needed, hence the lock on the door! Imagine the look on the technician's face (who forgot to lock up) as he was switching the hose from a nearly full carboy to an empty when he heard the whirr of the grinder and almost simultaneously the gurgle of the flush.

Our motto was: "It may be S#!t to you, but it's our bread and butter!" I Still think of that incident every time I hear "What can Brown do for you?"

Regards,
GtG

40 posted on 10/18/2007 1:36:03 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
That is a great story. Thanks - bill
41 posted on 10/18/2007 1:40:58 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: shooter223
There was a case a couple years ago out on the East coast. It seems some Russian Mafia types bought a self serve gas station. They gimmicked the pumps to record credit card numbers as customers made "pay at the pump" purchases. It the evening they would drive around the city with their "tanker" (car with back seat and trunk gutted and replaced with a 700 gallon tank), buying twenty gallons here and twenty five there, paying with the stolen credit card numbers. Before quitting time, they would unload the purloined gas into their underground storage tank.

I believe the scheme fell apart when the tanker car sprung a leak and blew up, toasting the driver.

Regards,
GtG

42 posted on 10/18/2007 1:54:24 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: mysterio
The real steal happens in two places.

It costs Saudi less that a dollar to pump a barrel of oil out of the sand. They are selling that oil for $85.

That's a steal at $2.05/gal.

Then there are a whole sh!t load of people who invest time, money, risk, effort and equipment in transporting that crude, processing it into a host of chemicals (including such things as plastics, pesticides, pharmaceuticals, dyes, solvents, waxes, tar, asphalt and on and on). These people expect to get paid for all the work and value they add to the crude.

The tanker ship company and pipeline owners get about 4¢/gal
The refinery gets about 40¢/gal

It gets hauled to your local gas station by a trucker who also wants to get paid enough to cover the cost of his truck, the fuel he burns, the insurance, and licensing, with enough left over to feed and clothe his nagging wife and runny nosed kids.

The trucker gets about 35¢/mile. Call it 5000 gal per delivery, 50 miles round trip yields a cost at 0.4¢/gal

Your neighbor who owns the station has to pay the Big Oil company its franchise fee, pay rent/mortgage on the station, taxes, insurance, cover the occasional drive off, set aside enough to remediate any damage a leaking tank might cause and live on whatever is left over.

For taking on all these risks and expenses, and the occasional armed robbery he gets to pocket 3¢/gal.

So where is the second real steal?

Who assumes none of the risk, invests in none of the equipment, pays none of the salaries, and not only contributes nothing to the process of getting that gas into your car, but actively tries to make that process as difficult and expensive as possible??

That would be the government.

State Underground Storage Tank Fee 1¢/gal
State and Local Sales Tax 23¢/gal
State Excise Tax 18¢/gal
Federal Excise Tax 18¢/gal

For a total government burden of 60¢/gal

And the democrats want to add a 50¢/gal carbon tax to that!

43 posted on 10/18/2007 1:59:14 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I gather that technician wasn’t you, else your screen name would be Gandalf_The_Brown


44 posted on 10/18/2007 2:02:49 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: null and void
basically the entire city government went off to federal prison

It's a start...

Hardly a drop in the bucket! There are 159 counties in GA, and they are just chock full of little municipalities, probably around 500 or so, each with its own full-dress gummint . . . . I'm not sure anybody noticed when the Tallapoosa city fathers donned horizontal pinstripes . . . .

45 posted on 10/18/2007 2:07:58 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Under the circumstances, I apologize for using the term "drop in the bucket."

Yechh.

I once dug a vault privy, but it hadn't been USED yet.

True story: when my dad was a student, they used to have houseparties at somebody's lake cabin, which of course had the one-holer privy "down the path", no running water for miles. My dad rigged a transmitter and speaker under the seat of the privy, and when a pretty coed went in he would wait about a minute, then transmit, "Hey, could you move out of the light? I'm trying to WORK down here!"

He said some of the girls laughed it off, but some were highly indignant and demanded their dates take them home instanter.

He met mom at a house party, so I guess she was a good sport!

46 posted on 10/18/2007 2:23:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: shooter223

It only seems fair. The oil companies steal millions of dollars from us every day. In broad daylight.


47 posted on 10/18/2007 2:24:39 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: bill1952

How else could you steal 10000 gallons?
***10 Gallons at a time, a thousand times. “umm, I’ll pay you for that next Tuesday”. You’d think the owner would catch on.


48 posted on 10/18/2007 2:51:18 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: null and void
I gather that technician wasn’t you, else your screen name would be Gandalf_The_Brown

My Mom didn't raise ANY dumb children. I'm the guy who suggested the lock!

Regards,
GtG

49 posted on 10/18/2007 2:57:36 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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