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(Adulterer, flip-flopper) Giuliani asks Values Voters to trust him
The Politico ^ | 10/20/-2007 | Mike Allen

Posted on 10/20/2007 10:21:39 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky

Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, walking into a political lion’s den, told the year’s largest gathering of social conservatives that he is “not always the best example of faith” but that their similarities are much greater than their differences.

“Isn’t it better that I tell you what I really believe instead of changing all my positions?” Giuliani told an audience of 2,000 at the Family Research Council's Values Voters Summit at a Washington hotel. “I believe trust is more important than 100 percent agreement.”

The audience, generally hostile to Giuliani, recognized the shot at former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and laughter and a few cheers spread across the room.

The former mayor, who left the stage grinning amid applause after his 40-minute speech, went for an authenticity contrast with Romney, substituting his law and order credentials for the family values emphasis of Romney, a long-married father of five.

Giuliani paid obeisance to the group’s concerns by speaking at length about his support for school choice, home schooling, conservative judges and Israel.

All drew earnest – even enthusiastic – applause. He also gave a detailed plan for reducing abortions and increasing adoptions, the meatiest policy element of his speech.

It was the “everything but” approach – he could agree with the audience on almost everything except whether a woman should be able to choose an abortion, which he supports.

"You and I know I’m not a perfect person,” he said. “I pray for forgiveness, I pray for strength.... I feel my faith deeply, although perhaps more privately than others, because of the way I was brought up.” He said he had prayed to God at the toughest parts of his life.

“During our lives, at some time, all of us need forgiveness,” he added. “If we expect perfection from our political leaders, we’re just asking for disappointment .... We lose trust when they’re not honest with us.... I don’t always agree with myself. [Laughter] … You’ll always know where I stand.... I will continue to extend my hand to you. I hope you’ll take it.”

Giuliani showed humor, noting that he almost entered seminary: “I know that’s hard to believe.” Noting that he attended Catholic school, he said the first school he attended where a prayer wasn’t said at the beginning of the day was the New York University School of Law.

He said that on the first day, out of confusion, he made the sign of the cross. “I looked around and realized people were staring at me,” he joked.

Giuliani pointed out that as New York mayor, he reduced murder, drugs, prostitution and other vices. "I don't believe in inevitable decline," he said, adding he shares President Ronald Reagan's belief in optimism.

"You put Republican ideas into action.... We got results. Humbly, I would say, the best results anyone in that time got in government."

"We drove pornography out of Times Square and other public spaces," he said, drawing hearty applause. "The pornographers lost and they were driven out of Times Square."

Instead of pandering to the group, Giuliani held his ground.

“We’ve got to find a way to be more inclusive,” Giuliani said. “Christianity is all about inclusiveness. It’s built around the most profound act of love in human history, isn’t it? … I’m running for president of the United States because I believe I can bring us together. Strong leadership can help us find common solutions to our problems.”

Giuliani drew laughter by saying he spends as little time in Washington as possible: “I’m afraid there’s something in the air here.”

“I’m not going to pretend that I can be all things to all people,” he declared. “I’m just not like that.”

But he added, in another dig at Romney, “I’ll always be honest with you.... You will always know where I stand.”

“You have absolutely nothing to fear from me,” Giuliani went on, adding that he was puzzled by those who make him out to be some kind of liberal activist: “Just read any New York Times editorial when I was mayor of New York City.” That got a big laugh.

Giuliani was speaking to one of the most conservative audiences in American politics. During a Christian worship service from the podium an hour before Giuliani spoke, leader Ron Freeman interspersed the praise hymn “Blessed be the Name” with the hopeful wish:

“We’ve got the right Senate and the Congress!” The prayer included: “We’ve tried hard to make your agenda, our agenda.”

Politico’s Jonathan Martin contributed to this report.

TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; frc; giuliani; valuesvoters
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To: Galactica

I’m with you. I am praying that it’s not Rudy, but if it is, he’ll get my reluctant vote.

I do understand those who say they will not vote for the GOP nominee if it’s Rudy, so hold your flames. I just cannot in good conscience NOT vote for the GOP nominee.

61 posted on 10/20/2007 11:55:22 AM PDT by Theresawithanh (FRED!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
I’m anti-life
I’m a gun grabber
I’m a queer lover
I’m a “sanctuary city” person
I’m a liberal in sheep’s clothing

But, hey, I’m not such a bad guy

We agree on lots of stuff

So vote for me!

62 posted on 10/20/2007 11:56:26 AM PDT by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery! She will redefine "How bad can it get?")
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To: stockstrader

the people who brought us Mehlman, keep FOley, and other effete elites of the GOP leadership want us to lose focus on the primary and get distracted by the general election.

The key is to keep remembering.

NO Giuliani, no problem.

the NYC mentality GOP leadership is lock step to coronating Giuliani . (see “YOU HAVE to accept comprehensive immigration reform.” and “no its not reeeeealy amnesty”)

63 posted on 10/20/2007 11:56:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! and
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To: stockstrader
If you want a more authoritarian, bullying, more intrusive, more controlling, all-powerful, ‘big government knows what is best’, 'Big Brother' type of government,,,,,

Then you'll make the mistakes that will allow Hillary to win.

From a strictly analytical position, Rudy would seem to have the best opportunity to pull centrist voters, the voters that actually decide elections.

But I'm thinking that Romney might have a very good ability to sell himself to centrists, once he gets a campaign rolling.

I'd love to see Fred win, but I think Hillary might destroy him.

Personally, I wish Gingrich was in the race. Although there seems to be as much Newt derangement syndrome around here as Rudy derangement. I love Gingrich's ability to start with a new page and do something new. America has lost it's dynamism, and he might be able to restore it.

But whomever wins the nomination, they'd best be able to beat Hillary. That's the bottom line for me. I'm just not sure who that would be. The question will likely turn on just how stubborn hard core conservatives are to get their way or the highway.

64 posted on 10/20/2007 11:58:45 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby; Ol' Sparky
I'm not fired up about any of the candidates. But I am fired up to defeat Hillary, no matter what it takes. Keeping our heads about us will be necessary, and I'm afraid that may be impossible.

You and those like you are the problem and you are not the cure. You do not get what you want by putting up the worst you have. You get what you want by putting up the best you have and believing in it.

Its called standing up. Whatever happened to that?

65 posted on 10/20/2007 11:59:54 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Perdogg
Hillary will do far less damage than Giuliani to the conservative movement.

We know that Presidency of Bill Clinton paved the way for Republicans to win back Congress. A balanced budget and welfare reform followed as did an extension of Reagan-era economic prosperity.

Nothing good is coming from a liberal Republican pushing liberal legislation through a Democratically-controlled Congress while the GOP continues to be a shrinking minority in Congress.

I'd much rather relive the Clinton years than terminate conservatism with a Schwarzenegger-like liberal.

66 posted on 10/20/2007 12:00:42 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: ex-snook

‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan

67 posted on 10/20/2007 12:01:04 PM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: Ol' Sparky
putting a liberal Republican in the White House is short-sighted, stupid and political suicide for the conservative movement.

I disagree. You're making a highly subjective statement that can't be backed up, and making it solely attempting to help your cause of defeating Rudy. It carries no water with me.

68 posted on 10/20/2007 12:01:09 PM PDT by narby
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To: LowOiL; Sturm Ruger
wake up....

"No, Rudy, it is not. You’re spouting the “religious” left’s WCC-style false doctrine. Christianity is about just the opposite..."

Christianity is not about inclusiveness? The hell it isn't. That's what makes this a great country! Inclusiveness! Christianity is all about Love, Forgiveness and Inclusiveness. Any suggestion that it isn't will reap a strident repsonse from this FReeper. And that, my FRiend, comes from a Jew.

"Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free." Freedom of expression, RELIGION, the freedom to be great!

This country is and has become great, precisely because the Founding Fathers were ardently inclusive as part of their Christian beliefs.

Over the line? Hardly.

69 posted on 10/20/2007 12:02:42 PM PDT by sofaman (Ahmadinejad: Those who attempt to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it.)
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To: ex-snook
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

Or the way you ensure Hillary wins. If that's a responsible pro-life move, then it could be pretty self-defeating.

70 posted on 10/20/2007 12:04:16 PM PDT by narby
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To: stockstrader
What has happened here on FR is good, very good--because is a perfect example of what will happen to the Republican Party if a liberal (who is out-of-sync with traditional, long-held, core, bedrock principles and values) is nominated.

I'm sorry, you cannot seriously compare the political junkies at FR who follow politics and political issues like most people follow sports and gossip shows, with the rest of America.

The famous poll that says 27% of conservatives would vote for an unnamed generic canddiate is utterly worthless. Who's going to be the candidate? What party? Look at how well third parties have done the last few elections. Any pro-life billionaires out there with name recognition able to fire up enough people to give s sh*t and throw away their vote, or do you think most Americans will realy be pragmatists and vote for a candidate who will keep things status quo as oposed to Hillary who will gurantee abortions increase and become more plentiful AND paid for with your tax dollars? Now if there is going to be a well funded thirdy aprty independent candidate it will be someone like Mike Bloomberg who most certianly is a social liberal.

America is currently a center right nation, and is also a nation of pragmatists.

71 posted on 10/20/2007 12:08:17 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: stockstrader
the best possible way to elect Hillary is to DIVIDE and SPLIT the Party WIDE-OPEN--while demoralizing the base. No one does that better than a liberal like Rudy.

LOL. So it's all Rudy's fault that you must take positions that helps Hillary.

Listen, the help to split the party wide open is being supported by Hillary. Exactly how many trolls are there here on FR are hyping up this anti-Rudy emotionalism? I'm not saying you are one, but guaranteed there are some here.

I once thought FR was a place where conservatives could come and quietly and intelligently discuss how we were going to defeat Democrats. I see that I was mistaken.

72 posted on 10/20/2007 12:09:35 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
"Or the way you ensure Hillary wins. "

If you want to defeat Hillary, don't support Rudy.

73 posted on 10/20/2007 12:11:03 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: narby
So it's all Rudy's fault that you must take positions that helps Hillary.

The split is the fault of those willing to morph the Party into something entirely unrecognizale (ref. post #49, which you have not addressed). It would be outrageous for any conservative to support someone with "those conservative credentials".

The willingness of many to 'throw the base under the bus' is the problem. Yes, then, you must be mistaken.

74 posted on 10/20/2007 12:14:13 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Theresawithanh
I do understand those who say they will not vote for the GOP nominee if it’s Rudy, so hold your flames.

I don't. It's an objectively defeatist concept.

Would you have avoided fighting in WWII because you didn't like FDR and the New Deal? No way.

Defeating liberalism sometimes involves avoiding huge steps backwards by allowing a baby step backward. A strategic retreat in order to regroup and fight more tomorrow. The long term view is the proper way to look at this, and liberalism must be defeated in detail by denying it power for decades. Even if that means voting for someone who isn't perfect.

75 posted on 10/20/2007 12:15:53 PM PDT by narby
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To: Ol' Sparky

That brilliance kept Bustamonte from being installed in Sacramento. Same brilliance will keep hillary from being installed at 1600 Penn Avenue.

76 posted on 10/20/2007 12:17:02 PM PDT by bayareablues
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To: narby

for public perception


I was mayor on 9/11 = I was senator on 9/11

I will be strong on the war = I voted to approve the war

I cleaned up NYC = I will create universal healthcare

I support right to chose abortion = I support the right to chose abortion

I support the AWB = I support the AWB

We are in a PRIMARY

PRIMARY where we eliminate the unacceptable candidates and the pointless candidates.

We had many rudy bot trolls initially here who were hyping up the Giuliani campaign (more than a few paid I suspect) however, being against Giuliani as the nominee is not emotional.

No Giuliani, NO PROBLEM

is based on his positions, the reactions of various groups, and just plain logic. Eliminate Giuliani in the primary and we eliminate the Giulaini Problem.

77 posted on 10/20/2007 12:17:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! and
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To: finnman69

What you see happening on FR (the SPLIT in the Party) is exactly,,,yes EXACTLY,,,what everyone (Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative)—pundits, talk show hosts, yes even CNN, FOX, take your pick—is talking about. The potential split in the Party is one of the most discussing topics in any political discussion—and we all know who would cause that split.

78 posted on 10/20/2007 12:17:48 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: All

Giuliani’s Value Voters Speech: No Fear
October 20, 2007

Rudy Giuliani came here to the Value Voters Summit Saturday and boldly proclaimed, “You have nothing to fear from me”. Webster’s defines fear this way: “To be afraid or feel anxious or apprehensive about a possible or probable situation or event.”

With Giuliani inching closer to the Republican nomination, fear may be gripping some social conservatives for sure. But on Saturday, Giuliani laid out his best material and full arsenal in a pitch to get their votes. The case was compelling and if Giuliani keeps making speeches like this, he has a good shot to gather enough social conservatives to his side to win the nomination.

Listen, as we’ve said here before Giuliani isn’t going to get the bulk of the single issue voters (life, marriage) but what he did Saturday is lay out a bunch of items he does have in common with social conservatives. Issues like school choice, fighting Internet pornography, keeping God’s name in the public square, increasing adoptions, home schooling support, supporting a ban on partial birth abortion, parental notification, strict constructionist judges…and oh by the way, fighting terrorism and supporting Israel. Folks, any way you slice it, that’s a boatload. It was so much material that Giuliani said forget the 20 minute time slot, I’m going over. He did. By about 20 minutes.

The question is can social conservatives overlook his pro-choice and pro-domestic partnership views and settle on all the rest he says he has in common with them? I noticed throughout the whole speech Giuliani weaved this idea of trust into everything he was saying. You can trust me. You can trust me. You can trust me. Clearly, that was a veiled shot at Mitt Romney. So was the line where he said he won’t twist issues up like a pretzel.
Afterwards, the reaction by social conservatives seemed to be pretty positive. Nobody thinks Giuliani is going to win the straw poll but I even had a policy guy from the Family Research Council tell me the speech was a 7 out of 10. That’s saying something. Some weren’t too thrilled with his ‘inclusiveness” line at the beginning of his speech (which they believe is code for liberal) and he didn’t mention marriage at all. But all in all, the speech went over better than expected from the people I talked to.

Here’s the way I see it. The speech was very good and had a lot of issue oriented meat in it. Giuliani was greeted with polite applause but left the room to an even friendlier crowd. To use a football analogy, he may not have gotten in the end zone with this crowd, but he “moved the chains” with this speech. The ball is marching down the field. No fumble.

79 posted on 10/20/2007 12:18:17 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: narby

You need to go soak your head. You are way off base. You are a defeatist type.

You defeat nothing by accepting a part of it. What is wrong with you?

80 posted on 10/20/2007 12:19:56 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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