[narby]

the best possible way to elect Hillary is to DIVIDE and SPLIT the Party WIDE-OPEN--while demoralizing the base. No one does that better than a liberal like Rudy.

LOL. So it's all Rudy's fault that you must take positions that helps Hillary.

Listen, the help to split the party wide open is being supported by Hillary. Exactly how many trolls are there here on FR are hyping up this anti-Rudy emotionalism? I'm not saying you are one, but guaranteed there are some here.

I once thought FR was a place where conservatives could come and quietly and intelligently discuss how we were going to defeat Democrats. I see that I was mistaken.

[stockstrader]

So it's all Rudy's fault that you must take positions that helps Hillary.

The split is the fault of those willing to morph the Party into something entirely unrecognizale (ref. post #49, which you have not addressed). It would be outrageous for any conservative to support someone with "those conservative credentials".

The willingness of many to 'throw the base under the bus' is the problem. Yes, then, you must be mistaken.

[longtermmemmory]

for public perception

RUDY GIULIANI IS HILLARY CLINTON

I was mayor on 9/11 = I was senator on 9/11

I will be strong on the war = I voted to approve the war

I cleaned up NYC = I will create universal healthcare

I support right to chose abortion = I support the right to chose abortion

I support the AWB = I support the AWB

We are in a PRIMARY

PRIMARY where we eliminate the unacceptable candidates and the pointless candidates.

We had many rudy bot trolls initially here who were hyping up the Giuliani campaign (more than a few paid I suspect) however, being against Giuliani as the nominee is not emotional.

No Giuliani, NO PROBLEM

is based on his positions, the reactions of various groups, and just plain logic. Eliminate Giuliani in the primary and we eliminate the Giulaini Problem.

[Grunthor]

“I once thought FR was a place where conservatives could come and quietly and intelligently discuss how we were going to defeat Democrats.”

You are mixing apples and oranges. conservative vs democrats? No, it’s conservatives vs liberals. One of which is currently running for the Repub nomination.

I think a lot of the problem with the pro-Trudy, anti-Trudy folks is this; You argue party vs party, and the antis (myslef included) argue ideaology vs ideaology.

[MamaB]

The reason is that many on this site will not vote for a liberal like Rudy.