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Romney Wins Conservative Straw Poll
ABC News ^ | 10/20/07 | Karen Travers

Posted on 10/20/2007 1:41:59 PM PDT by freespirited

Mitt Romney won the Family Research Council Values Voters' Summit straw poll in Washington Saturday, barely beating out Mike Huckabee with just 30 more votes.

Romney garnered 1595 votes to Huckabee's 1565 in the poll of conservative activists. Ron Paul was third with 865 and Fred Thompson was fourth with 564 votes. No vote count has been announced for Rudy Giuliani.

Romney spoke at the summit Friday and called for ending the "marriage penalty" and decreasing out-of-wedlock birth.

In a veiled hit at his rival, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and his more liberal positions on gay rights and abortion, Romney said, "We won’t win the White House with only two out of three or one out of three… We’re not going to beat Hillary Clinton by acting like Hillary Clinton."

Romney reiterated his belief that "two parents are the ideal setting for raising a child." On abortion, Romney declared he would be "a pro-life president," acknowledging that he was a "convert to this cause," referencing his 2005 change from an "effectively pro-choice" position to a pro-life stance.

More than 2,000 conservative activists attended the summit and heard from the Republican presidential field over the last two days.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said 5,776 votes were cast in the straw poll by voting in person, online or by mail. Romney's campaign actively petitioned supporters to vote online whether or not they had attended the conference.

The straw poll is non-binding, unscientific, and does not necessarily reflect the social conservative movement as a whole.

The following three questions were on the straw poll ballot:

1. Which of the following candidates for president would you be most likely to vote for?

RESULTS: Romney-1595 Huckabee-1565 Paul-865 Thompson-564

2. Who of the following candidates would be least acceptable to you as President of the United States? (results not yet announced)

3. Please indicate which issue is the most important in determining your opinion of the candidate that you will most likely vote for – choose one: RESULTS: -abortion -defending marriage -tax cuts -permanent tax relief


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; duncanhunter; elections; frc; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; huckabee; mccain; romney; ronpaul; strawpoll; tancredo; valuesvoters; wheresfred
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Romney's campaign actively petitioned supporters to vote online whether or not they had attended the conference.

Does this mean anyone could vote? If so, you could make an argument that the ballot box was stuffed--and the real winner was Huck.

1 posted on 10/20/2007 1:42:01 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited

Romney has to be VERY nervous about Huckabee’s sudden rise, especially in Iowa. Mitt’s entire campaign is predicated on sealing up the religious right and taking the two early states.


2 posted on 10/20/2007 1:45:21 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: freespirited

Here are the on-site results for the republicans. Source for these number is here:

http://www.frcaction.org/

Onsite Straw Poll Results

Mike Huckabee 488 51.26%
Mitt Romney 99 10.40%
Fred Thompson 77 8.09%
Tom Tancredo 65 6.83%%
Rudy Giuliani 60 6.30%
Duncan Hunter 54 5.67%
John McCain 30 3.15%
Sam Brownback 26 2.73%
Ron Paul 25 2.63%
Undecided 11 1.16%
Not Voting 7 0.74%


3 posted on 10/20/2007 1:45:43 PM PDT by Laverne
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To: freespirited

Read more detailed results over at www.race42008.com. Yes, Huck won the on-site vote by a large margin, but he also encouraged his supporters to vote on-line also.

Congratulations to Huckabee!

And Congratulations to my guy, Mitt Romney, who came in second to Huckabee in the on-site voting!


4 posted on 10/20/2007 1:46:22 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Al Gore didn't invent the Internet, but he did make up Global Warming.)
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To: Politicalmom; Sturm Ruger; 2ndDivisionVet; jellybean

ping


5 posted on 10/20/2007 1:47:03 PM PDT by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: asparagus; Austin1; bcbuster; bethtopaz; BlueAngel; Bluestateredman; borntoraisehogs; Bosco; ...


Which of the following candidates for President
would you most likely to vote for?

Mitt Romney 1595 27.62%
Mike Huckabee 1565 27.15%
Ron Paul 865 14.98%
Fred Thompson 564 9.77%
Undecided 329 5.70%
Sam Brownback 297 5.14%
Duncan Hunter 140 2.42%
Tom Tancredo 133 2.30%
Rudy Giuliani 107 1.85%
John McCain 81 1.40%
Not Voting 67 1.16%
Barack Obama 9 0.16%
Joe Biden 5 0.09%
Hillary Clinton 5 0.09%
John Edwards 4 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 4 0.07%
Christopher Dodd 2 0.03%
Bill Richardson 2 0.03%
Mike Gravel 1 0.02%
Total 5,775 100%

6 posted on 10/20/2007 1:48:51 PM PDT by Spiff (<------ Mitt Romney Supporter (Don't tase me, bro!) Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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These polls are all over the map!

Puck the folls!

Stand on your beliefs when you cast your vote!


7 posted on 10/20/2007 1:52:04 PM PDT by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: freespirited

http://www.frcblog.com/2007/10/washington_briefing_straw_poll.html

Mitt Romney 1595 27.62%
Mike Huckabee 1565 27.15%
Ron Paul 865 14.98%
Fred Thompson 564 9.77%
Undecided 329 5.70%
Sam Brownback 297 5.14%
Duncan Hunter 140 2.42%

Mike Huckabee 488 51.26%
Mitt Romney 99 10.40%
Fred Thompson 77 8.09%
Tom Tancredo 65 6.83%%
Rudy Giuliani 60 6.30%
Duncan Hunter 54 5.67%

The first chart is total votes (those at the Washington Briefing and those voting online). The second chart is only those attending the WB in person.


8 posted on 10/20/2007 1:56:30 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Califreak

Money quote from the story: “The straw poll is non-binding, unscientific, and does not necessarily reflect the social conservative movement as a whole.”


9 posted on 10/20/2007 1:57:10 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Laverne

Well, that does look like a stuffed ballot box to me.


10 posted on 10/20/2007 1:57:53 PM PDT by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: RasterMaster
Mitt Romney 1595 27.62%
Mike Huckabee 1565 27.15%
Ron Paul 865 14.98%
Fred Thompson 564 9.77%
Undecided 329 5.70%

Sam Brownback 297 5.14%
Duncan Hunter 140 2.42%

Mike Huckabee 488 51.26%
Mitt Romney 99 10.40%
Fred Thompson 77 8.09%
Tom Tancredo 65 6.83%%
Rudy Giuliani 60 6.30%
Duncan Hunter 54 5.67%

The first chart is total votes (those at the Washington Briefing and those voting online). The second chart is only those attending the WB in person.

This is a good demonstration of why online polls aren't reliable. Looks like both the Romney camp and the Paul camp were voting a lot more heavily online than in person.

11 posted on 10/20/2007 2:04:46 PM PDT by Columbine
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To: freespirited

Yeah, it looks like Huck won very decisively.


12 posted on 10/20/2007 2:04:50 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: freespirited

It was.

Romney was reportedly working to do so days before this event. No shocker there, he’s done the same thing at every other straw poll. And Huckabee needs to claim traction in order to justify people supporting him enough to move up in the race, he probably put everything he had into getting voters lined up. though I find it interesting romney didn’t bus more people into the event to vote on site.

I find these last four more interesting because I don’t believe any of them worked overwhelming to gin up votes here.

Fred Thompson 77 8.09%
Tom Tancredo 65 6.83%%
Rudy Giuliani 60 6.30%
Duncan Hunter 54 5.67%

Tancredo beat Rudy? LOL Guess his speech didn’t build enough bridges...


13 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:20 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: freespirited

Slightly better than an internet poll.


14 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:57 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Columbine

I think the onsite poll is the one that gives us an idea about where this particular value organization stands. It appears that Huck smoked everyone.

Still to be determined: how much the leadership and activists of this and other values organizations reflect evangelicals as a whole.


15 posted on 10/20/2007 2:10:25 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: ellery

Yes, I agree.


16 posted on 10/20/2007 2:12:25 PM PDT by Columbine
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To: Columbine

Notice that Brownback got 297 votes after dropping out of the race. Looks like some Brownbackers didn’t hear the news?


17 posted on 10/20/2007 2:12:50 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune." - Fred Thompson)
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To: ellery

I guess some “Values Voters” are not as concerned with open borders and illegal immigration as the rest of us if they find Huckabee, who is weak on immigration, acceptable. Personally, I think it is extremely hard for us to be able to strenghten our families, our schools and our country if we cannot control our borders.


18 posted on 10/20/2007 2:22:18 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt to defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: Spiff

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin, LOL.


19 posted on 10/20/2007 2:24:12 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Romney Republican)
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To: Soul Seeker

I thought Tancredo’s speech was quite good—except that he was a little too angry. Otherwise I thought he was a lot better than freepers give him credit for—perhaps you see that I wasn’t alone in these numbers.


20 posted on 10/20/2007 2:25:53 PM PDT by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: freespirited

Another stupid, wortless poll. How much money did the sponsoring organization make?


21 posted on 10/20/2007 2:30:28 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (THE NEXT GENERATION CONSERVATIVE)
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To: Sturm Ruger
Romney is just not real! He makes me very uncomfortable. Huckabee's immigration stand will drop him down as soon as people learn the truth.

Fred is still my choice and I believe he will be the choice of Conservatives. Be patient...he just got started. Look at all the polls; he is second or third in almost all of them (RealClearPolitics). Not that far off Rudy Nationally and not that far off Romney in Iowa. I'm still delighted with my choice. God Speed Fred!

22 posted on 10/20/2007 2:31:10 PM PDT by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN OLD FEMALE FREEPER! and a FredHEAD!)
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To: Bobbisox

You said: “Romney is just not real.” Wow, his wife and family would probably be surprised to find out that he is not real. You know, that is a really silly statement.

And as for Fred Thompson, the more people see him and hear him, the more unimpressed they are. Why else do you think he cancels appearances, won’t talk to reporters after his campaign stops and really doesn’t even want to talk to the people he speaks to? His campaign is terrified he is going to continue to make gaffes, so they are keeping him safe.

I think you will be disappointed when Conservatives do not make Fred Thompson their choice.


23 posted on 10/20/2007 2:38:27 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Al Gore didn't invent the Internet, but he did make up Global Warming.)
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To: bethtopaz

Sorry, but Fred Thompson is a rusty uninspiring empty suit. The fact he did so poorly in this poll screams ‘DUMP ME NOW’.


24 posted on 10/20/2007 2:42:12 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I agree with you. It’s my impression that Huck is a big-government guy, too, which is unappealing to me.

I’m starting to have doubts that the Reagan coalition is going to be able to unite around anyone this election. Collectively, these candidates are all over the map on almost every important GOP issue.


25 posted on 10/20/2007 2:43:06 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: freespirited

You had to donate a dollar to sign up. How do you think Ron Paul came in third?


26 posted on 10/20/2007 2:43:11 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: bethtopaz
You know...it’s not personal. Conservative runs clear to the bone. Mitt Romney will change positions on any issue to get elected. In my opinion, I think you are wrong. However, I certainly would not call your opinion silly. That is personal.

There is still 3 months to go before the first primary. Romney has been campaigning for over a year, and spent millions of dollars. Look where he is. Thompson just got started and will get better and better as he goes.

Let's keep it nice shall we?

27 posted on 10/20/2007 2:44:48 PM PDT by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN OLD FEMALE FREEPER! and a FredHEAD!)
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To: bethtopaz
I think you will be disappointed when Conservatives do not make Fred Thompson their choice.

I think I'll be more disappointed if Republicans nominate a still Liberal Giuliani or a Romney that still appears Liberal to me under that fresh coat of Conservative paint.

28 posted on 10/20/2007 2:47:41 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: finnman69

finnman69 wrote: “Sorry, but Fred Thompson is a rusty uninspiring empty suit. The fact he did so poorly in this poll screams ‘DUMP ME NOW’.”

Get back to us when Romney’s real poll numbers (you know, independent scientific polls that he can’t buy) rise up to somewhere McCain’s level... LOL!


29 posted on 10/20/2007 2:47:48 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Sturm Ruger

Who said I think Romney is a ball of fire?

http://www.freerepublic.com/~finnman69/


30 posted on 10/20/2007 2:52:28 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: freespirited

Tancredo is seen as a divisive figure wih no shot at the nomination. though, so is Ann Coulter. LOL I’m not condemining him, just stating reality. He garnered more votes then Rudy. Consider the statement that makes about Rudy’s progress with these voters.

My personal views about Tancredo are that he can irritate, annoy, and go too far in rhetoric at times. But he IS a conservative and valuable in the amnesty fight and therefore not an enemy even if his personality is such I’ll never be his warmest fan.

I’d still vote for him over Rudy in a heartbeat.


31 posted on 10/20/2007 3:01:49 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: finnman69

And yet he will still win the nomination while your turd of a candidate, Rudy, will become a footnote in the history books.


32 posted on 10/20/2007 3:12:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: freespirited
With the following info one can calculate the onsite percentages versus the online percentages if it matters that much. These polls represent the group that attends or the abilitiy of the candidate to push online voting via their internet activities.

Which of the following candidates for President
would you most likely to vote for?

Mitt Romney 1595 27.62%
Mike Huckabee 1565 27.15%
Ron Paul 865 14.98%
Fred Thompson 564 9.77%
Undecided 329 5.70%
Sam Brownback 297 5.14%
Duncan Hunter 140 2.42%
Tom Tancredo 133 2.30%
Rudy Giuliani 107 1.85%
John McCain 81 1.40%
Not Voting 67 1.16%
Barack Obama 9 0.16%
Joe Biden 5 0.09%
Hillary Clinton 5 0.09%
John Edwards 4 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 4 0.07%
Christopher Dodd 2 0.03%
Bill Richardson 2 0.03%
Mike Gravel 1 0.02%
Total 5,775 100%

Onsite Straw Poll Results

Mike Huckabee 488 51.26%
Mitt Romney 99 10.40%
Fred Thompson 77 8.09%
Tom Tancredo 65 6.83%%
Rudy Giuliani 60 6.30%
Duncan Hunter 54 5.67%
John McCain 30 3.15%
Sam Brownback 26 2.73%
Ron Paul 25 2.63%
Undecided 11 1.16%
Not Voting 7 0.74%
Barack Obama 5 0.53%
Christopher Dodd 2 0.21%
Dennis Kucinich 2 0.11%
Joe Biden 1 0.11%
Hillary Clinton 0 0.00%
John Edwards 0 0.00%
Mike Gravel 0 0.00%
Bill Richardson 0 0.00%
Total 952 100%

33 posted on 10/20/2007 3:17:20 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Bobbisox

I’ll call her opinion silly. Wanna see me do it? :)


34 posted on 10/20/2007 3:20:13 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: freespirited
Romney's campaign actively petitioned supporters to vote online whether or not they had attended the conference.

Whoopee! the mittwitts bought another straw poll, what bunch of con's!

35 posted on 10/20/2007 3:25:27 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: deport
Another analysis:
The Brody File

Romney Wins Value Voter Straw Poll...Wait. Is Huckabee the Winner?

October 20, 2007

I'm not sure how to explain this. Let's start with this. Technically, Mitt Romney won the big Value Voters Straw poll but it’s not that simple. The vote was open to people online and in that sense, Romney won with 1595 votes compared to Mike Huckabee’s 1565 votes. It was just a 30 vote difference. But for the people that actually voted onsite, it was no contest. Huckabee won 488 votes to Romney’s second place 99. That’s called a thumpin’. Look at the results here.

Here’s what I make of all of this. Romney might be able to claim victory but the onsite voting is a better barometer. Still, the press release the Family Research Council sent out says it's Romney and doesn't even mention the onsite polling. Read it here. We should point out that there's already stories about emails circulating to pump the online vote for Romney. Read  more here. Clearly, the people that actually heard the speeches thought Huckabee was the best candidate there. It would be one thing if Huckabee and Romney were neck and neck for onsite voting but for Huckabee to be such an overwhelming onsite winner, that is saying something.

Here’s what it says. It says that you have social conservatives that are ready to embrace him and he’s ready to embrace them. That speech he made on Saturday was electric. I was there. I saw the crowd. They ate it up. See more on Huckabee's speech here. But let’s call a spade a spade. You have Evangelical leaders that are reluctant to back him because he’s having a hard time raising money and putting what they see as a top notch organization in place. He needs their support. He’s going to have to earn it. If social conservatives really want Huckabee so bad, then they'll need to put their money where their mouths are.

Having said all that, Huckabee is poised now to really take off. Why? Two words: Sam Brownback. With Brownback out of the race, many of the votes may go to Huckabee. That could translate into some marginally better poll numbers. Plus, Huckabee can claim victory here and go around the country saying that social conservatives have spoken and that he’s the guy. Romney will make that same claim but don't tell me for a second that the onsite margin differential doesn't have some in the campaign concerned. Maybe because Huckabee is financially challenged, they're not too worried.

It’s going to be interesting to watch the spin coming out of both the Huckabee and Romney camps. Each will claim victory. Each campaign will be right. Read more here and here.

By the way, in terms of onsite polling, Fred Thompson finished with 77 votes after people heard him speak. Rudy Giuliani finished with 60 votes. I think the Giuliani team will take that number and as for the Thompson number, I’m sure they were hoping to do better than that.

The story today is Huckabee.


36 posted on 10/20/2007 3:28:27 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: freespirited

“Does this mean anyone could vote? If so, you could make an argument that the ballot box was stuffed—and the real winner was Huck.”

In order to vote, you had to be a member of the FRC, and to become a member of the FRC, you need to make a monetary contribution. I doubt ballot-stuffing was an issue.


37 posted on 10/20/2007 3:31:10 PM PDT by bw17
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To: freespirited

..I misunderstood the numbers in the beginning—Romney didn’t win, Huck did...


38 posted on 10/20/2007 3:35:20 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: bw17

In order to vote, you had to be a member of the FRC, and to become a member of the FRC, you need to make a monetary contribution. I doubt ballot-stuffing was an issue.


$1 got you the voting right....... Pushed online by both Paul and Willard’s camps... maybe others also.


39 posted on 10/20/2007 3:36:57 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: freespirited

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/253694.aspx

Romney Wins Value Voter Straw Poll...Wait. Is Huckabee the Winner?
October 20, 2007

I’m not sure how to explain this. Let’s start with this. Technically, Mitt Romney won the big Value Voters Straw poll but it’s not that simple. The vote was open to people online and in that sense, Romney won with 1595 votes compared to Mike Huckabee’s 1565 votes. It was just a 30 vote difference. But for the people that actually voted onsite, it was no contest. Huckabee won 488 votes to Romney’s second place 99. That’s called a thumpin’. Look at the results here.

Here’s what I make of all of this. Romney might be able to claim victory but the onsite voting is a better barometer. Still, the press release the Family Research Council sent out says it’s Romney and doesn’t even mention the onsite polling. Read it here. We should point out that there’s already stories about emails circulating to pump the online vote for Romney. Read more here. Clearly, the people that actually heard the speeches thought Huckabee was the best candidate there. It would be one thing if Huckabee and Romney were neck and neck for onsite voting but for Huckabee to be such an overwhelming onsite winner, that is saying something.

Here’s what it says. It says that you have social conservatives that are ready to embrace him and he’s ready to embrace them. That speech he made on Saturday was electric. I was there. I saw the crowd. They ate it up. See more on Huckabee’s speech here. But let’s call a spade a spade. You have Evangelical leaders that are reluctant to back him because he’s having a hard time raising money and putting what they see as a top notch organization in place. He needs their support. He’s going to have to earn it. If social conservatives really want Huckabee so bad, then they’ll need to put their money where their mouths are.

Having said all that, Huckabee is poised now to really take off. Why? Two words: Sam Brownback. With Brownback out of the race, many of the votes may go to Huckabee. That could translate into some marginally better poll numbers. Plus, Huckabee can claim victory here and go around the country saying that social conservatives have spoken and that he’s the guy. Romney will make that same claim but don’t tell me for a second that the onsite margin differential doesn’t have some in the campaign concerned. Maybe because Huckabee is financially challenged, they’re not too worried.

It’s going to be interesting to watch the spin coming out of both the Huckabee and Romney camps. Each will claim victory. Each campaign will be right. Read more here and here.

By the way, in terms of onsite polling, Fred Thompson finished with 77 votes after people heard him speak. Rudy Giuliani finished with 60 votes. I think the Giuliani team will take that number and as for the Thompson number, I’m sure they were hoping to do better than that.

The story today is Huckabee.


40 posted on 10/20/2007 3:45:47 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Columbine
Looks like both the Romney camp and the Paul camp were voting a lot more heavily online than in person.

Actually, it looked like Romney won the 'live' vote overwhelming at the Family Values convention, but Huckabee won overwhelmingly in the online voting.

While some congrats should go to Huckabee for energizing his online supporters, Romney is the one who got overwhelmingly support from the actual event.

It also begs the question of WHERE THE HECK are these pollsters getting Republicans who say they prefer Guliani.

Personally, I know one Rudy supporter out of hundreds of Republicans I talk to near Philadelphia.

And this particular Republican has no issues in which he believes. In fact, he doesn't like church going Republicans, he says.

He simply wants to win.

41 posted on 10/20/2007 3:50:45 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: freespirited
You had to become a member of their group to vote, which took a contribution. I'm told a $1 contribution would suffice, so not a very large barrier. Subtraction provides these offsite voting totals:

Mitt Romney 1496
Mike Huckabee 1077
Ron Paul 840
Fred Thompson 487
Sam Brownback 271
Duncan Hunter 86
Tom Tancredo 68
John McCain 51
Rudy Giuliani 47

Although unscientific some things can be inferred from these and the above numbers. First, Rudy didn't make a very strong impression, at least not as the first choice, of those attending and didn't feel it worth any effort to stuff the results offsite. The same can be said for McCain. Second, Romney and Huckabee, at the least, deserve recognition for out stuffing Ron Paul on this poll. Third, there is nothing here that the Fred Heads can use for bragging points over their competition for the title of either "the social conservative" candidate or even "the southern social conservative" candidate. He was beaten on and offsite by both Romney and Huckabee. So much for Fred as an internet powerhouse; Romney tripled his take and Huckabee doubled it. A good showing at this media hyped conference would doubtless have been touted by Fred Heads as evidence their man was THE option to Rudy. Instead they'll have to listen to Romney and Huckabee both make such claims. And, since Mitt has money to spin his case and Mike doesn't, Romney's spin will win out. For better or worse, this is the most hyped straw poll since Iowa and Mitt got a lot of mileage there. This will move him up somewhat, and mainly from the undecideds and Fred leaners. Huckabee will use this to keep his hopeless campaign alive longer, again mainly at Fred's expense.

42 posted on 10/20/2007 4:01:09 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Sturm Ruger

I think some of the offsite votes were mailed in so Brownback could have done some stuffing before dropping out.


43 posted on 10/20/2007 4:04:44 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Bobbisox
Be patient...he just got started.

Atlanta claims that if their drought continues they'll run out of water in 80 days. Iowa votes in 75 days... Fred is running out of time to get started. Patience is hard to sell when we were told he didn't need to start with the rest of the candidates because he'd come out like at cat 5 political hurricane when he finally did start. It is hard to accurately judge candidate strength prior to actual voting, but if you accepted the claims of his fans Fred should have been singing in the rain today at this event. Instead the rains skipped Fred today and Mitt and Mike are dancing.

As a separate issue the size of Huckabee's seemingly large win amongst those onsite has been challenged www.evangelicalsformitt.com. They claim many pro-Romney attendees were told to cast their votes online so as to avoid the long lines to vote onsite and potential missed votes. This might just be a groundless political claim, but it might be confirmable. From the way they conducted their online voting the FRC probably could cross index online (and mail in) votes with their list of those attending and produce a vote total of those who attended regardless of where they voted. I have no idea whether they will try to do so, but with sufficient interest and some time they probably could. I have no idea as to the size of any candidate's "offsite, but attended" vote total, but I can say that as a Romney organizational ploy having some do this rings true. At the Iowa straw poll Romney was very organized in getting his supporters to vote before they did anything else, presumably to avoid both non-votes and converts to other candidates. Telling Romney leaning attendees to vote online in advance of hearing the competition would be consistent.

44 posted on 10/20/2007 5:17:09 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: freespirited

“No vote count has been announced for Rudy Giuliani.”

That bad?


45 posted on 10/20/2007 5:40:22 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: JMack

It certainly never hurts to remind people. They have already run commercials about his previous stands. People don’t change that easily unless they have no core principles!


47 posted on 10/20/2007 6:25:05 PM PDT by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN OLD FEMALE FREEPER! and a FredHEAD!)
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To: Spiff
A few FACTS about these numbers.

5775 votes were cast total
952 of those were cast in person.
4823 votes were cas online

3000 members were there so about 2000 members cast their vote on line BEFORE the convention.
Voting has been open to members since AUGUST.

Huckabee got 488 votes in person.

Huckabee got 1107 votes on line.
48 posted on 10/20/2007 6:28:52 PM PDT by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: elizabetty
3000 members were there so about 2000 members cast their vote on line BEFORE the convention.

Voting has been open to members since AUGUST

So since August they have been able to generate 4832 votes. This has got to be the biggest non story around. How many voted out of the total population. And how much did mitt spend to win. :) LOL

49 posted on 10/20/2007 6:53:31 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: finnman69

It doesn’t really matter if Romney or Huckabee one. The REAL story out of this poll is that Thompson lost.


50 posted on 10/20/2007 7:02:47 PM PDT by Spiff (<------ Mitt Romney Supporter (Don't tase me, bro!) Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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