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NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Free Republic post ^ | 10/20/2007 | by ex-snook

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."

Agree.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan


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KEYWORDS: abortion; elections; electionsgiuliani; giuliani; moralabsolutes; prolife; rudy; wordup
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To: SoConPubbie

“No talking, slave”


201 posted on 10/20/2007 3:51:34 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Eagles6

All too many talking heads, like Sean Hannity, claim that Rudy is a conservative.

After spending many months in 2006 attacking elected republicans over his “principle over party” mantra, then easily tosses any principle overboard to push for a cross-dressing, gun-grabbing, pro-abortion LIEberal RINO like Rudy or DUmocrats like Joe LIEberman.


202 posted on 10/20/2007 3:51:45 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: I_like_good_things_too
“If there were a viable pro-life option for us to vote for, that would change everything. But there isn’t at this time.”

One more time and with emphasis! YOU AND I, and those just like us, determine who is or who is not viable NOT THE MSM!! AND NOT THEIR POLLS.

If polls were to be believed, John Kerry would be President right now!

203 posted on 10/20/2007 3:51:48 PM PDT by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: Reagan Man

You dont know me, so stfu


204 posted on 10/20/2007 3:51:50 PM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Soul Seeker

Either help get a conservative through that primary, or get used to tolerating ...

I would be that each and every one of us could get a pro-life conservative candidate in the White House. And in the Senate. And in the House of Representatives.

We can’t wait for our precinct captains to come around with literature. Friend to friend is still the most powerful ammo out there for the voting process. We have to start talking about it to our friends.

And how wonderfully glad I was that another friend approached me in the church parking lot last Sunday with a petition for our congressman. People were standing in line to sign the petition!


205 posted on 10/20/2007 3:52:45 PM PDT by janereinheimer ((I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.))
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To: Reagan Man

If saying things like taht make you feel better, so be it.


206 posted on 10/20/2007 3:53:17 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen and amen.


207 posted on 10/20/2007 3:54:42 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

EEE - We’ll see. I think the true BASE is more than a one issue group. The fringe right (you) and the base (the rest of us), are not the same.


208 posted on 10/20/2007 3:54:44 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: mike h
As Mayor, Rooty appointed mostly liberal Democrats to NYC`s municipal courts. He thinks Ruth Bader Ginsberg was a fair choice as a SC justice.

Rooty has no intention of appointing conservatives to the SCOTUS. Tell me, what liberal does?

209 posted on 10/20/2007 3:55:57 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’m saying it’s not the only issue. I’m saying that a Hillary Presidency will be the worst thing this country could ever imagine. And, since Rudy says he will appoint pro-life judges, it means he’ll do the same exact things that GW has done. You don’t believe him, FINE...but that doesn’t mean you’re right, and I’m not willing to hand this country to Dems because of your FEELINGS. Sound familiar? The fringes of each party base their votes on their feelings, and that’s what gets us all in trouble.


210 posted on 10/20/2007 3:58:05 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy
"So you care more for a principle than you do about your country?"

This country was founded on the principle that all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are the rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Look it up.

Without these unalienable rights there would be no America.

I care for my country and I fight for Life and Liberty.

(tagline dedicated to you and all other pro-abortion RINOs, moderates and weak-kneed sisters)

211 posted on 10/20/2007 3:58:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: DeusExMachina05
>>>>>You dont know me, so stfu

I can smell a liberal a mile away and you stink to the high heavens.

212 posted on 10/20/2007 3:58:11 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Liz

“Our conditions must be met:

(1) Rudy Guiliani withdraws from the 2008 race at once.

(2) Rudy Giuliani resigns from the Republican Party.

(3) Rudy Giuliani is legally prevented from ever calling himself a Republican or running as a Repub.”

Love it!!


213 posted on 10/20/2007 3:59:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Hildy

You’re the one running around FR questioning the patriotism of good conservatives. Not me.


214 posted on 10/20/2007 3:59:35 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Hildy; Jim Robinson
Without principles there is no country worth having!
215 posted on 10/20/2007 4:00:23 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: RasterMaster

“All too many talking heads, like Sean Hannity, claim that Rudy is a conservative.”

Hannity lost all credibility with his Pro-Rudy stance.


216 posted on 10/20/2007 4:00:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: mike h
Think courts thats where the issue will be decided.

I will say it again- The Courts are a lost cause. They require Senatorial approval. There is no way a Democrat controlled Senate is gonna approve constructionist judges. IT WON'T HAPPEN.

217 posted on 10/20/2007 4:00:59 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: Baladas; Jim Robinson; xzins; blue-duncan
Knock him out in the primaries, then.

The best way to knock him out in the primaries is to make it clear that there are millions of Registered Republicans who will not vote for Rudy Guiliani under any circumstances and that would include even if he is running against Hillary.

I for one am not going to compromise on this issue. If the Republicans choose Rudy as their standard bearer, then Republicans deserve to lose in 2008 and America deserves whatever punishment from God that will follow such an unfortunate turn of events.

A vote for Rudy in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the General election. Keep that in mind before you vote in the primaries. If Rudy is the nominee, then I will not vote for president next November. I will work towards getting a conservative Senate and Congress to keep the Hildebeast at bay. This is one issue we cannot capitulate on.

218 posted on 10/20/2007 4:01:24 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: pillut48
I saw a chart this week, which showed that the year that RvW was enacted via judicial fiat, was the first year that the birthrate in America dropped below some certain threshold. (IIRC from over 20/100 to 15/100)

LIve Birth Rate from 1950 - 1998

So, my generation (born 1974)has seen the abortion holocaust firsthand, since we are the first generation that was truly wanted. Those that weren't were tossed into the trashcans and formaldehyde bottles.

If the liberals realized that they were aborting their own future demographic and voter base, they might just reconsider. But since they are a political party of death, they will continue on their suicidal mission.

May their political death be slow and painful.

219 posted on 10/20/2007 4:01:50 PM PDT by Maigrey ("We still get our basic rights from God and not government." - Fred D Thompson)
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To: Reagan Man

“As Mayor, Rooty appointed mostly liberal Democrats to NYC`s municipal courts. He thinks Ruth Bader Ginsberg was a fair choice as a SC justice.
Rooty has no intention of appointing conservatives to the SCOTUS. Tell me, what liberal does?”

Nuff said.........Rudy is a liberal. You just proved it!!


220 posted on 10/20/2007 4:02:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

BEAUTIFUL.

THX


221 posted on 10/20/2007 4:03:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Hannity lost all credibility with his Pro-Rudy stance

You spoz he's looking to be Rudy's press secretary?

222 posted on 10/20/2007 4:03:28 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: roamer_1

Like I said, I will very carefully consider the situation at the time I have to pull a lever and make the best decision that I can at the time.

In the meantime, I will do whatever I can to get my favored candidate the nomination. At the moment, that is FT.


223 posted on 10/20/2007 4:03:54 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: Reagan Man

I would take the chance that “Rooty” would appoint something better than hillary.

Staying home and letting the beast win is not an option for me.


224 posted on 10/20/2007 4:04:22 PM PDT by mike h (God bless Ronald Reagan,)
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To: Hildy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIAE9Sik_SM


225 posted on 10/20/2007 4:04:23 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Reagan Man

Haha..Ill be keeping my out for you FRiend, when guys like you end up getting the Beast elected, your whining and bitching will make me laugh...then Ill post a reply to you and ask you how your blood pressure is. :)


226 posted on 10/20/2007 4:04:45 PM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen! Bump for Life. Never Rudy!


227 posted on 10/20/2007 4:04:45 PM PDT by tajgirvan (Please Pray for Steve Godbold. Christian Missionary Kidnapped by Rebels in Africa)
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To: Jim Robinson
It is beyond me how anyone could deny that this fetus is a human being:
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228 posted on 10/20/2007 4:05:00 PM PDT by JACKRUSSELL
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To: Hildy; Reagan Man; Liz; TommyDale; All

“As Mayor, Rooty appointed mostly liberal Democrats to NYC`s municipal courts. He thinks Ruth Bader Ginsberg was a fair choice as a SC justice”

Why do you believe a PROVEN LIAR??


229 posted on 10/20/2007 4:05:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: navyblue
>>>>>You spoz he's looking to be Rudy's press secretary?

Not a far stretch. Sean Vannity is already Rooty`s personal media butt boy.

230 posted on 10/20/2007 4:06:40 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: RasterMaster

Yes, Hannity is the first to come to mind. He mystifies me sometimes.


231 posted on 10/20/2007 4:07:32 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: navyblue

You spoz he’s looking to be Rudy’s press secretary?

Nah, and take a 15,000,000 pay cut?

Hannity suffers from N Y C Disease.


232 posted on 10/20/2007 4:07:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: DeusExMachina05
Lets see how Hillary protects the unborn. You dont betray the ones that “brung ya to the dance” and get away with it. If its Guliani vs. the Beast..Im for Guliani.

Same here ... the unborn and the country have a better chance at surviving without Hellary in the WH with Nan and Reid behind her in Congress

233 posted on 10/20/2007 4:07:55 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Hildy
"EEE - We’ll see. I think the true BASE is more than a one issue group. The fringe right (you) and the base (the rest of us), are not the same."


Boy are you deluded!

Rudy gets 25% of the Republican Party votes and the rest is split between Pro-Life candidates and you call your group the base? Did you ever take math in school or do you just have to be that brain-dead and morally bankrupt to back Rudy?

234 posted on 10/20/2007 4:08:00 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: mike h

You’d be betting on a sure loser.

Hillary and Rooty are liberal twins.


235 posted on 10/20/2007 4:08:03 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Guenevere; Hildy

I fight for my country and the principles that make it great!

Ronald Reagan fought for the same principles. He explained many times what sets America apart from the tyranny of socialist countries. Respect and love for God and his gifts of Life and Liberty sets us apart and makes America great! No other country has been as free, successful and prosperous as America and I intend to do my part to continue our American heritage.


236 posted on 10/20/2007 4:08:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: wagglebee; Jim Robinson
Well, this will depend quite strongly on the definition of what constitutes an “abortionist”.

Rather than get tied up in that, I’ll not split hairs or presume to argue about what direction the party should be pushed during the primaries.

So let’s cut to the chase.

I propose (but do not advocate) the following:

A Giuliani/Somebody ticket vs. a Hillary/Obama ticket in 2008. This is not outside the realm of possibility.

I would argue that on many (if not most) aspects of American life and policy, a HRC/BHO administration will result in more death in the long run, and not just of the unborn. Whether it be from an appeasement oriented foreign policy, a higher tax burden on the citizen, socialized medicine, a de-emphasis on US military readiness, or the opportunity to appoint USSC judges. A worst case scenario could go as far as expecting that the Democrat brand of appeasement and muddled thinking on human nature will result in hyper-proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Arabic speaking world, a quickening of the change of Europe into Eruabia, and all that will come with it.

By all means, use whatever resources available to try and influence the GOP towards your values. But let us please recognize that nobody is going to get a candidate that is acceptable to then on all their issues.

When election day arrives, each one of us is going to most likely be confronted by a Hobson’s choice.

The availability of abortions will not decrease under a HRC presidency. They are far more likely to increase and it has been clearly shown that HRC accepts the opinions of those who would also advocate infanticide. Under a Giuliani or other GOP presidency, there is at least a chance of change bringing about a decrease in the availability of abortion, and talk of infanticide would not even see the light of day.

We’ll be given a choice of flawed individuals, to be voted on by also flawed individuals.

I cannot argue against the need for an individual to vote their conscience.

Only that they be fully aware of the impact of their choice.

237 posted on 10/20/2007 4:09:35 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: P-Marlowe

Well said!


238 posted on 10/20/2007 4:10:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Hildy; Liz; TommyDale; Reagan Man; All

“Ronald Reagan fought for the same principles. He explained many times what sets America apart from the tyranny of socialist countries. Respect and love for God and his gifts of Life and Liberty sets us apart and makes America great! No other country has been as free, successful and prosperous as America and I intend to do my part to continue our American heritage.”

And IIRC, Reagan did fairly well in 2 elections :-)


239 posted on 10/20/2007 4:11:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Killing another in self-defense is perfectly legitimate.
240 posted on 10/20/2007 4:12:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Hildy
EEE - We’ll see. I think the true BASE is more than a one issue group. The fringe right (you) and the base (the rest of us), are not the same.

Define the fringe right. You want us to accept Rudy's train-wreck of a personal life and social liberal beliefs after the spectacle of Clinton doing the same? Forget it. I'm not even a religious so-con I'm more of a libertarian but a President still has to have morals and realize that abortion is just wrong.

I’m saying that a Hillary Presidency will be the worst thing this country could ever imagine.

BS. Hillary might scare you but not me. I welcome a Hillary presidency so we can get this show on the road and let people choose sides once and for all.

241 posted on 10/20/2007 4:12:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: DeusExMachina05
Haha..Ill be keeping my out for you FRiend, when guys like you end up getting the Beast elected, your whining and bitching will make me laugh...then Ill post a reply to you and ask you how your blood pressure is. :)

No you wont, President Hillary will shut down websites like FR.

242 posted on 10/20/2007 4:12:18 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: DeusExMachina05
>>>>>... your whining and bitching ...

You're the one talking about voting for a liberal. Not me.

Free Republic doesn't support liberals like Rooty Toot, or talk about giving our precious vote for any liberal.

Just ask JimRob.

243 posted on 10/20/2007 4:12:42 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: ConservativeMind

That would not be murder.


244 posted on 10/20/2007 4:15:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Hildy

You might try getting some feelings Hildy. Other than caring about your own self.

How about your right to live? I would bet it is a good thing to you to send those young guys and gals into battle to protect your right of freedom and provide security for you and yours.

Think of conservatives wanting to go to battle to preserve that same right to life of the unborn.

The muzzies might try to take your life and you want your life to be fought for, how about thinking of those little unborn that need the protection for their right to survive.

They may be little, but that makes them no less human and as equally entitled to protection as you feel you are.

I find it amazing how willing people are to trust a man who shares no conservative values. Either you are naive, or you really do not care.

Common sense is not a feeling, it is doing what is right.


245 posted on 10/20/2007 4:15:30 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen.


246 posted on 10/20/2007 4:15:34 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
And IIRC, Reagan did fairly well in 2 elections :-)

And this, my friends is the problem. This is not 1980. WE ARE A DIFFERENT COUNTRY...you can keep your head in the sand..but we are not the majority. The difference between me and you is that I understand that.

247 posted on 10/20/2007 4:15:44 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: stephenjohnbanker
>>>>>>And IIRC, Reagan did fairly well in 2 elections :-)

About the best any Republican has ever done. Reagan`s two election day accomplishments in 1980 and 1984, dwarf anything any GOP'er had done before or since.

248 posted on 10/20/2007 4:17:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: P-Marlowe; Baladas; Jim Robinson
A vote for Rudy in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the General election.

Precise and succinct.

Who are these supporters of Rudy?

They cannot possibly conservatives. There is only one issue on which Rudy appears possibly to be conserative....and that's the War.

Yet, at the same time, he's the man who had such disdain for Homeland Security that he recommended Kerik, a recommendation that blew up in Pres. Bush's face.

I cannot think of one issue on which Rudy is reliably conservative.

249 posted on 10/20/2007 4:17:15 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: RasterMaster

My favorite map of all time. Unfortunately, I was too young to
vote then.


250 posted on 10/20/2007 4:17:30 PM PDT by rdl6989
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