Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
And I’m not the only one either.
NONE of these exist without life.
How many men, women and children have died to protect freedom?
Far too many, but still far less than have died in abortuaries.
Martyrdom has a long history in defense of a cause. Paying a price with one's own life is often the necessary cost for principle.
Specifically, WHAT IS THE CAUSE for which you have supported the martyrdom of 50 MILLION innocent Americans?
Then the vote will be split and the Democrat will be elected, because I will not vote for Rudy under any circumstance, ever. Hold up the Republican party without me if it comes down to Giuliani, because I won't help you.
“You’re talking about voting for a liberal in 2008.
An aboritonist no less.
That is defeatism of the first order!”
So what’s your solution, stay home?
There are actually many similarities between slavery and abortion, as I have posted here many times.
Each is a "peculiar institution", for which all normal laws and rules have to get out of the way, each creates irreconcilable antagonisms between defenders and opponents, each embeds a "way of life" which cannot survive without the institution. And each represents the triumph of evil over good.
That having been said, the position of the antiabortion forces now is much weaker than the position of the proslavery forces in 1860 (I analogize the two because each is arrayed against the power of the Federal government).
The proslavery forces had a compact territory to defend wherein their institution could survive, the antiabortion forces need to overturn the Federal government, or radically reduce its power, to prevail.
It's my view that this battle will not be won be electing Republican presidents, of whatever rhetorical stand with regard to abortion, and I think that the history of the increasing abortion carnage since 1973 bears this out.
The people have to be convinced that their present lifestyle rests upon an enormous evil, and that they must give up the evil although this will result in their lifestyle, which they love and desire intensely to continue, being altered.
This of course is very difficult, whereas electing candidates who pretend they are going to do something substantial is easier.
If one pays with one’s life for a worthy cause (principle, as you put it), it still is necessary to have life in order to forfeit it.
Life is the very essence of being—after that, to be free, to have values and principles, and even to die, in order that those same values and principles may be preserved for others, STILL requires life in order to be exercised.
I am quite sure you can see the logic of that, olde north church.
Well facing the prospect of Bustemante, I voted for Arnold. The state has slid backwards since then, and I’m partially to blame. I guess I’m also to blame for Bustemante not making it also, but that’s not very comforting as we watch Arnie screw up time after time.
Is that the electoral adjustment?
I thought what I wrote was particularly prosaic. Have another look at it. It does not disparage life, or the love of life. In fact, it elevates it.
To put it in Christian religious terms, the life and teachings of Jesus was extremely important, but His death was *essential* to Christians. The death of Jesus was the culmination of His life, even His greatest purpose for having had life in the first place.
All this points to the sanctity of the life of the unborn.
As precious as their lives are, even more precious is what their lives may become. And in those lives, and maybe even in the eventual end of those lives, will they, like Jesus, find the culmination of their purpose. But first they must, like Jesus, be born.
Bump in support.
I do not see much in human history that leads me to the perspective that the good Lord protects humanity from bad decisions.
Remember GHWB, he was pro-choice and then declared he was pro-life in order to run with Reagan.
Well that pro-life president gave us Thomas and then David Souter to offset that vote.
I am very skeptical of Romney.
Bump
Between Hillary and Rudy? I don’t see a difference.
I’m as likely to vote for Rudy as I am to vote for Dennis Kucinich.
Man wants but he never wants to commit!
Let's restore sanity to our nation again!
Once upon a time not too long ago the majority of good people were in control now it is the opposite!
Maybe so, but we're the winning margin.
Very well stated.
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