Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
LOL!
Yes...she is good on the abortion threads. ;o)
BTW...
BTTT!
>> But that begs a question: At what point does that bunch of cells become a baby?
It also begs the question at what point does the woman become the mother.
Well that is what the fight is about and why I have posted what I did at #594 hundreds of times in the last four years. I think it pretty well shows how things have changed and how petty and selfish the reasons for abortions are.
>> >> But that begs a question: At what point does that bunch of cells become a baby?
>> It also begs the question at what point does the woman become the mother.
I’d like to know from the perspective of a pro-abortionist the point the woman does become the mother. Is the woman not the mother until the child is delivered, or is the woman the mother in the third trimester? Is the woman not the mother at any point during the first trimester? If the woman, who also supports abortion, claims that she has the right to be the mother in the first trimester, would she not then be killing her child if she aborts during the same period?
If the woman refuses to be the mother until the child is delivered, can the father claim right to the child during the pregnancy in order to protect the child from the woman until the child is born?
Let me just say that I’m making a judgement call on Rudy from a long ways away here in California. From what I have seen of Rudy, I don’t dislike the guy. Do I like all of his political stances? Not really. I do think he handled 09/11 well, but other than that I’m not a big fan of him politically.
I can’t vote for him, and I do see some of the same problems with Rudy that I do with Arnold. I don’t want to see him become the President. I’ve had enough of the down sides of voting for RINOs. Rudy is a RINO IMO. I won’t be voting for him.
When I say I like him, I like a lot of people. I sure don’t agree with his stances regarding abortion. I think his stance on that has been despicable. I guess I shouldn’t really like the guy, but I don’t operate that way.
Ted Kennedy I don’t like. Pelosi, Ried, Murtha, Sheehan, I don’t like. These folks are the ilk of the earth. Rudy is just a misguided fool on conservative issues, and I couldn’t vote for him period. I don’t see him as anti-American by any means, and so he resides in a different category then the people I mentioned above.
Our terrorist enemies have, IMHO, a three pointed attack on the West. They argue that it is legitimate to indiscriminately attack civilians, and that is a moral abomination. They say that Islam has a right to politically dominate the earth, and to suppress or kill those who will not ‘submit’, and that is a moral abomination. The third argument is that the West is totally corrupt and decadent. If the greatest power on earth makes it politically impossible to oppose the American Holocaust, then I think that the argument about moral decadence would be proved, and would lead to our defeat in the War on Terror.
If Gillian became President, only Republican politicians who are morally courageous would dare to remain pro-life, and the GOP would never nominate a pro-life candidate again. I do not believe that there are very many congressmen with that amount of moral courage. In such a case it would be necessary to sweep the Republicans into the trash heap of history, so that a truly conservative party could emerge, and again make the United States deserving to be saved. So that if the Republicans nominate Rudy, it is better to kill the party sooner rather than later.
As far as what will I do if Rudy is the nominee, that would depend on the existence of a creditable third party. If there is one, I will support it. If not it would depend on how close the contest is in Florida. If it is close, I will privately vote for Hillary, as the most effective way to destroy the GOP. If it isn’t close, I will write in ‘RONALD W. REAGAN’, and urge everyone else to do the same!
& if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it'll go back to the states...
Now, what kind of judges do you know that Hillary will appoint? & how many decades will that push back your cause?
Is there any doubt that we have come to a place where we are morally corrupt? I’m not able to deny it. The Congress is definately morally backrupt. It is my opinion that the White House is also morally bankrupt in many ways. It’s occupant has turned his back on U.S. Citizens and concerns himself with the plight of foreign nationals. He was also willing to send us further into debt to finance the new Medicare Medication enhancement. This guy just doesn’t get it, when it comes to fiscal matters. As much as we hate the Department of Education, he doubled their budget within a very few years of coming to office.
Look, it pains me to take Bush to task. He’s supposed to be on our side, and I wish he was. His efforts against the terrorists aside, the guy just doesn’t get it. And when it comes to homeland security, he has even shown himself willing to sell that out so that as many Saudi Arabian nationals that wanted to, could continue to come here on education visas. Then he allowed our southern border to remain out of control for almost his entire presidency. The man has been in violation of Aricle IV Section IV from the day he took his oath.
This being said, it’s not for some Islamic Fundamentalist nutjob to decide if our nation is in need of destruction or not. There is no justification for what has taken place. The citizens of Iraq don’t deserve what the terrorists have carried out against them. There’s no justification for what has taken place on our soil. Those who practice the Islamic religion, shouldn’t have to be represented by or threatened by such lunatics. And please don’t think I’m trying to intimate you advocated any such thing. I’m just addressing the situation as I see it.
The United States isn’t interested in trying to manage the Middle-East. Contrary to popular opinion amongst the left in our nation, and the terrorist leaders in the Middle-East, we would rather see nations in that region run their own affairs without our involvement. But that’s evidently not what the terrorists want. They don’t want to live in peace. They want to subjegate everyone to their will. They want to make the lives of their Islamic brothers and sisters a pure hell on earth, and they want to make everyone else subject to a hell on earth as well.
What is our crime today, as it relates to Islam? Oh yes, we entered Iraq and removed a man and his two sons from killing, raping, maming and generally terrorizing the citizens of Iraq and it’s neighbors. We stoped a man from using chemical weapons on the practitioners of Islam. We stopped him from using those weapons on Iraqi nationals. We stopped him from threatening his Islamic neighbors. We stopped him from starting wars in the region. Each of these things were beneficial to the followers of Islam. We have sought to provide access to education for all Iraqi children. We have triend to get the infrastructure rebuilt. We have sought to provid food and peace for them. We have not introduced Christianity to replace Islam. We have supported the citizens of Iraq selecting their own government. We invision a time when we will pull out of Iraq and it’s citizens will govern themselves in peace. Now there’s a real threat to Islam.
If Giuliani became President, I’d expect him to continue on with the war and see it through. If he was elected, I wouldn’t expect to see him take on the abortion issue. He may or may not appoint conservative judges. As you say, the right to life issue would probably be put on hold for his term in office. I do think right to life is the battle cry. I do think folks are turning to that direction of thought. I do think it’s only a matter of time before the abortion issue is rectified to some degree. I just don’t see Giuliani taking the lead here.
Would that affect the ability for other Conservatives to promote the cause? I don’t think so. I could be wrong, but Giuliani isn’t going to put a cork in this bottle. It’s bubbling over and right to life will not be stopped.
If Rudy is the nominee, it would take a hell of a lot of people to create a groundswell that would replace Rudy and Hillary. I don’t see it happening. We live in interesting times. The down side to not having Rudy in office, would be the lifetime appointments to the courts. That is a serious matter.
The trade off would be this. Rudy isn’t going to appoint the most conservative judges to the bench. His appointments will disappoint IMO. They won’t disappoint as much as Hillary’s would. Could we let Rudy lose to Hillary knowing she would make court appointments? Well, that is the real question IMO.
Frankly, I’m so fed up with the Republican party that I simply cannot support it unitl it shows some signs of Conservative life within it’s leadership.
I can’t believe what I am seeing in this nation today. The left does it’s damndest to destroy our war effort, and about all we get out of our leaders is a single statement. I’m sure they are terrified.
If we can’t sick our Justice Department on the folks who try to sell us out to China and the Islamic Terrorists, what the hell is our government worth?
If we can’t stop the flow of illegals across our border to sap us dry, what the hell is our government worth?
If we can’t get the Republican Party to stand up and tackle some of this, what is it worth?
I’m at the end of my patience concerning these matters.
Republican Party, I consider it to be your responsibility to put an end to the treason in Congress. I expect you to put an end to the border issue. I expect you to stand up for the right thing. And if you are not going to do these things, then I have no use for you. Don’t call me. You’re not getting a dime. You’re not getting a vote from my family either. You’re party has been pulled from my call list. I’ve got no use for you. PERIOD.
Shape up G— damn it!
The differnce is that the President's JOB is to cause the laws of the US to be faithfully executed.
Illegal immigration is against the law. Permitting illegals to reside here without interference is maladministration, at the very least, and could be impeachable under certain circumstances.
The President has no laws to enforce in the matter of abortion. They two situations are not comparable.
I know this. I practiced medicine beginning in 1959. Abortions were common. Physicians were rarely prosecuted if they were cautious and simply induced a “spontaneous abortion.” Some women with funds went out of state and others used non-credentialled abortionists.
You were right though, the woman having an abortion was seldom prosecuted. Abortion in Minnesota was illegal but the law rested on the premise you suggested. This created a tautology in that abortion was illegal but those securing an abortion were not punished but those doing the abortion were.
The real solution to this is not Draconian laws that people do not obey, but real changes in how we look at abortion and the child. This will mean using all our present technology (sonograms)as well as changing hearts. The “changing hearts” phrase is from President Bush’s speech on this subject. We could make real progress if we wanted to.
This premise of punishing the doctor didn’t work. Those with $ got their abortion, those without $ either found a physician who would begin the abortion by dilating the cervix or they went to a medically untrained abortionist who charged a stiff fee.
Well i think we are coming by somewhat different paths to a similar conclusion, which is that the GOP under Rudyite control is more of an obstacle than a benefit to the national interest (maybe I have you wrong here). Of course if someone else is nominated the worth of the party is still in question. As of this point I could support any other GOP candidate (other than Paul, of course), with more or less enthusiasm. As to the WOT, I think Iraq will be settled, one way or the other, by January, 2009, and no action against Iran would be supported by the next president, unless it attacks us or Israel.
Very good post!
Hillary starts with Kerry's 59 milion votes and his 254 EV. She is a much, MUCH stronger candidate than Jean Francois.
To this, she will add millions of Republican women. If you don't believe this, compare the votes for Hillary in 2000 in upstate Republican districts to the 1998 election in which Schumer beat D'Amato. Hillary has a large hidden female vote.
To think she cannot win is absurd.
I guess we're about to find out.
When you are given no options, no recourse but to fight against tyranny then you must. I truly believe that with the Hsu and Chinatown examples before us, we are fighting the devil herself. We must win for the sake of the future of Liberty.
I am sorry that my post was not better written, but the pain and suffering my Wife, my Son and I endured was pure hell. The only way we were able to endure it was through faith.
I do not believe I am wrong in the slightest. My guidance came from the Lord.
Thank you, I will and I have. Bless you.
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