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NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Free Republic post ^ | 10/20/2007 | by ex-snook

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."

Agree.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan


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To: Jim Robinson; ex-snook; wagglebee; sofaman; All
As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles but biblical principles instead, one can only come to the conclusion FR is a Christian Right forum disguised as a Conservative forum.

As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it. In the same vein, as repulsive as homosexual acts are, there is no Constitutional prohibition.

Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution.

651 posted on 10/21/2007 7:14:28 AM PDT by olde north church (Epitaph for America: We weren't humble enough to be pragmatic.)
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To: Jim Robinson

al gore was “pro-life” once, wasn’t he?


652 posted on 10/21/2007 7:25:11 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: pookie18

That’s why it was said early on that we should select a non-RINO in the primaries, and avoid this mess altogether. We can do better than settle for someone who is pro-choice and pro-gun control and pro-gay marriage. We do not have to settle in the stinkin’ primaries.


653 posted on 10/21/2007 7:58:00 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: olde north church
As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it.

The Constitution's Preamble (or premise)

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In case you don't know how to find a dictionary, let me inform you that the word "posterity" refers to those who are not yet born.

The Fifth Amendment (the heart of the original Bill of Rights):

No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

That means charged, tried, and convicted on a capital offense. How is it possible for a child in the womb to be guilty of a capital offense?

The Fourteenth Amendment:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Do you agree with Blackmun that a child in the womb is not a "person"? Even he, in the text of Roe, admitted that if the babe in the womb were a person, that they were therefore protected by the Fourteenth Amendment:

A. The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a "person" within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment.

Tens of millions of American children have been brutally done to death because of the stupid lie that a child in the womb is not a person. And the slaughter continues every day because of the gross ignorance of ignoramus' like you.

655 posted on 10/21/2007 8:23:12 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Theo
Agreed...I supported Keyes in 2000, before voting for W in the general. At this point, I'm leaning towards Thompson in the primary. However, like Gary Bauer, I'll be voting for the Republican nominee in the general...


656 posted on 10/21/2007 8:29:10 AM PDT by pookie18 (I'm voting for the Republican nominee!!)
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To: pookie18

I did exactly the same thing. I voted for Keyes in the primaries, and Bush in the general election. I’m inclined to vote for Fred or Huckabee.

Vote *for* who you want in the primaries. Vote *against* who you don’t want in the general election.


657 posted on 10/21/2007 8:43:48 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Dittos!

I know from first-hand experience that every life is precious. I was conceived out of wedlock and after two weeks of considering abortion my mother decided to tell my father. My father stepped to the plate and said, “Then we better get married.” They still are and as a result this country has another rocket scientist (me), and my two brothers- a teacher and a carpenter. IMHO, we are all very worthwhile individuals.

658 posted on 10/21/2007 8:51:49 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: olde north church; Jim Robinson; ex-snook; sofaman
As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles but biblical principles instead, one can only come to the conclusion FR is a Christian Right forum disguised as a Conservative forum.

You are either ignorant or you are lying.

The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that we are endowed by God, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness," the Constitution's Preamble states that its purpose is to, "Secure the Blessings of Liberty." Amendments 5 and 14 make it perfectly clear that a person's life cannot be taken without due process.

Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution.

No, liberals would do well either adopt conservatism or else find another forum more suited to their leftist agenda.

659 posted on 10/21/2007 8:55:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hildy

I’m forty, what does that have to do with the fact that you enjoy the slaughter of infants?


660 posted on 10/21/2007 8:57:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Noble
No offense, but your support, as delivered through electoral politics, hasn't done them a bit of good.

Again, with unprincipled RINOs we would probably still have slavery.

661 posted on 10/21/2007 9:02:44 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: napscoordinator

“Than the Republicans better not pick Guiliani for the nominee then. I am sick and tired of the tired excuse of “if you don’t vote for Guiliani than you are voting for Hillary” HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And besides I don’t care because the Republicans have lost it not me!”

That rant says it all. You/we do our job in the primaries then this is moot. Suppose we get an acceptible candidate but the other side of the Republican party does as you do and picks up their marbles and heads home in a huff. That’s never been an answer in any aspect of our lives. If you choose to wait to make a difference until you convince a strong majority of Americans to see this as you do it may take some time, possibly a lifetime. Whether you like it or not it is going to take voters who don’t necessarily see eye to eye with you to solve this in the near term. I realize reality conflicts with your absolutes, all I’m asking is to consider the long term in the event it doesn’t work out in the primaries. The best quote is “I don’t care.” I don’t believe that.


662 posted on 10/21/2007 9:15:37 AM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: olde north church; Jim Robinson; ex-snook; wagglebee; sofaman; All
As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles...

So "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " from the Declaration of Independence doesn't apply to the unborn? Who says?

or even the 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution?

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

663 posted on 10/21/2007 9:16:41 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: wagglebee
Again, with unprincipled RINOs we would probably still have slavery.

Slavery was ended in a bloodbath, not at the ballot box.

Look, your view of this issue and mine are not that far apart.

But your faith in electing politicians as a means to the end of stopping abortion is misplaced, in my view, and likely to do more harm than good.

Elections are not going to end abortion. Not ever.

664 posted on 10/21/2007 9:25:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Rockitz; olde north church; Jim Robinson; ex-snook; sofaman
The Preamble of the Constitution clearly states that one of its purposes is to "Secure the Blessings of Liberty," and it is axiomatic that these Blessings are "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" as stated in the Declaration of Independence. Moreover, the Declaration makes it clear that these rights are "inalienable," so coupled with the Fifth Amendment, it is obvious that the Founding Fathers understood that NOBODY'S life could be taken from them except by God or due process of law.

"Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
- John Adams, etter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, October, 11, 1798.

665 posted on 10/21/2007 9:26:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Noble
Slavery was ended in a bloodbath, not at the ballot box.

That paled in comparison to the bloodbath of abortion.

But your faith in electing politicians as a means to the end of stopping abortion is misplaced, in my view, and likely to do more harm than good.

I am curious, what do you propose the pro-life movement do? Do you think we should just accept that 1.3 MILLION babies a year are killed?

666 posted on 10/21/2007 9:29:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I can’t stand by and leave this thread at 666, so I’m posting again.


667 posted on 10/21/2007 9:40:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Blogger

I think its a completely stupid absurd analogy. As bad as abortion is, no matter how you slice it the most pro-choice politician is not Hitler.

Dumb dumb dumb.


668 posted on 10/21/2007 9:42:25 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Jim Noble; wagglebee

You can argue that elections ALONE will not win the battle against abortion, but they are one of the important things that has to be done.

The majority of the American people oppose abortions in most cases. Support for abortion as it is currently practiced is less than a third.

That majority is counteracted by the press, which is 95% pro-abort, by the entertainment industry, by academia, and by activist judges. That’s one reason why elections are important, because judges are mostly appointed by politicians. We are where we are because the pro-aborts worked harder at shaping SCOTUS than we did.

Yes, we need to change the culture, and the press, and the educational institutions. But we also need to elect pro-lifers to office as an important part of what needs to be done.


669 posted on 10/21/2007 9:46:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Hildy
If it is close, I will privately vote for Hillary, as the most effective way to destroy the GOP.

The conservative Taliban are now threatening to strap on figurative suicide bombs and take down the party they can't sway.

Unbelieveble.

670 posted on 10/21/2007 9:48:23 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: All

Has Rudy, Mitt, or any other flip floppin' RINOs made up their mind? Or do they lick their finger and stick it up in the poltical air to see which way the political wind is blowing?

We need a candidate who has always been strong Pro-Life. This issue is one of the reasons why I call myself a Republican. Duncan Hunter has a strong record for Pro-Life. Plus, other strong records that I think you will enjoy:

A+ Career Rating, Americans for Better Immigration
A+ National Rifle Association
100% Eagle Forum
100% National Right to Life
92% Lifetime rating, American Conservative Union
100% Concerned Women for America
100% Christian Coalition
100% Campaign for Working Families

671 posted on 10/21/2007 10:00:36 AM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TigersEye
I think you’re talking about a small minority and it doesn’t significantly effect the debate. The question here is whether Republicans can stomach voting Pro-Choice. I can’t. Until Roe v. Wade is struck down specific state legislation is a moot point. If I live to see the day I will decide then whether to support or oppose specific legislation in my state.

I think you're missing something here. My post -- the one that caused your imitial response -- was directed at a poster much earlier in this thread. This poster had told a man whose wife had aborted a child in order to be treated for the malignant melanoma that eventually killed her that God demanded more of him. So, basically, I was responding to that "small minority" whom you think does not significantly impact the debate. Perhaps they don't -- we'll agree to disagree -- but they are actually pushing me away from the pro-life movement with their "all or nothing" approach.

672 posted on 10/21/2007 10:02:22 AM PDT by cammie
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for posting this thread. I couldn’t agree more - we have to stand for life or we stand for nothing at all.


673 posted on 10/21/2007 10:05:36 AM PDT by dschapin
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
How about putting the blame on the proper people! You are saying that those of us that stand up for what is right will be to blame.

Hey, I'd like to see Mike Huckabee be our next president, but I am putting the blame on the proper people: the Republicans who will stay home and ensure a Democrat controlled House, Senate, and Presidency, which will ultimately mean a Democrat controlled SCOTUS, which will ultimately bring about the downfall of the US. We can survive a pro-choice president -- as others have noted on this thread, political posturing even on the pro-life side has brought us not one iota closer to limiting the number of abortions in this country -- but I'm not sure we can survive what the next Democrat administration may bring.

674 posted on 10/21/2007 10:07:01 AM PDT by cammie
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To: processing please hold

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675 posted on 10/21/2007 10:09:26 AM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Hildy; Jim Robinson
Jim, why are you being so childish? It’s really unseemly...it’s not the man I remember.

The simple fact that Jim allows you to post your liberal garbage here after some of the things you have said to him is clear evidence of his maturity and graciousness:

Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
  Posted by Hildy to Jim Robinson
On News/Activism 04/23/2007 7:32:48 PM EDT · 5,548 of 18,393

You’re losing it, Jim. You really are. You just want to ban me so badly, don’t you?


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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
  Posted by Hildy to Jim Robinson
On News/Activism 04/26/2007 8:04:58 PM EDT · 11,382 of 18,393

You will “KEEP” me around as an example - that’s rich. FR has become one big circle jerk. Not with a bang, but with a whimper. I mourn the great site this once was.

Goodbye Jim. It was a great decade and it’s been an interesting ride. I wish you and your family nothing but happiness. Life is too short for this kind of nonsense. Please close my account.


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676 posted on 10/21/2007 10:14:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I am curious, what do you propose the pro-life movement do?

Two things:

One: Focus on getting the illegitimate and unconstitutional power grab of Roe v. Wade reversed. The power claimed by the Court does not exist, and the result is that the power of the Court is now unlimited. Many, many more people want abortion returned to the states than want it banned.

Two: Work on changing hearts and minds. People are not going to rally to your side through being insulted and reviled. The reason abortion has not been changed even a little bit by electoral activism is that the people who keep Members of Congress in office don't want it banned, and they are convinced (rightly) that if they put you in power, that's what you will do.

677 posted on 10/21/2007 10:15:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: finnman69; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Hildy; Reagan Man; Liz; stephenjohnbanker; ex-snook; ...
The conservative Taliban are now threatening to strap on figurative suicide bombs and take down the party they can't sway.

Shocking!

We made it almost to post #700 before one of the Rooty Rooter FRiberals compared conservatives to the Taliban.

678 posted on 10/21/2007 10:17:32 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: finnman69; Jim Robinson
The conservative Taliban

Since the site owner is one of the Taliban you are talking about, I'd be a little more circumspect.

679 posted on 10/21/2007 10:18:01 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: finnman69

You simply do not get it finnman. If Rudy or Hillary get in, by the end of their first term we will have killed 50 MILLION children since Roe V Wade by abortion. To give you some perspective, take the entire population of N.Y., L.A., Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, Detroit and Cincinnati- and destroy them all. Now, you have an idea of how many humans in the womb have been murdered in the name of a “woman’s right to choose.” Take the number of death certificates filed as a result of 911 and multiply it by 18182 and you will have the scale of what it is we have done.

No, the most pro-coice politician in America is NOT Hitler. In sheer terms of scale, they are worse. Not to diminish the Holocaust one iota. However, anyone who claims to be pro-life and yet can support someone who does not care that they are murdering an innocent child needs to re-evalute the validity of that claim.


680 posted on 10/21/2007 10:18:24 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Jim Noble
One: Focus on getting the illegitimate and unconstitutional power grab of Roe v. Wade reversed. The power claimed by the Court does not exist, and the result is that the power of the Court is now unlimited. Many, many more people want abortion returned to the states than want it banned.

Which CANNOT be done without a pro-life president.

Two: Work on changing hearts and minds. People are not going to rally to your side through being insulted and reviled. The reason abortion has not been changed even a little bit by electoral activism is that the people who keep Members of Congress in office don't want it banned, and they are convinced (rightly) that if they put you in power, that's what you will do.

Congress has NOTHING to do with it, the president appoints Supreme Court justices and at this point they will be the ones to uphold any pro-life legislation which almost certainly would originate in a state legislature.

681 posted on 10/21/2007 10:20:52 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Blogger

Actually, we went over 50 MILLION some time in early 2006.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html


682 posted on 10/21/2007 10:24:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Blogger
If Rudy or Hillary get in, by the end of their first term we will have killed 50 MILLION children since Roe V Wade by abortion.

And the exact same thing is true if Thompson, or Hunter, or Tancredo is elected.

683 posted on 10/21/2007 10:26:39 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: finnman69

It’s insane...like they are. The first think I ever learned to type was this sentence: NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR PARTY.

These aren’t good men..these are fanatics, who throw tantrums when they don’t get their way...and I’ll go further that this is less about the unborn, then the control of women. There...I said it.


684 posted on 10/21/2007 10:27:15 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: wagglebee

Other abortion “counters” I have seen say we aren’t there yet. I’m taking the more conservative estimates. Regardless, if we are there or soon will be, we are wiping out the equivalent of the smallest 25 states of our union in the name of the god “choice.”

If conservatives do nothing, we will be punished. If they actually use their votes to put people in office who support this - we deserve whatever we get.


685 posted on 10/21/2007 10:28:28 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Hildy

As a woman, I would say there is nothing more controlling than a mother not allowing the child she conceived to live. Regardless what little inconveniences that you may imagine, NOTHING is more controlling than that.


686 posted on 10/21/2007 10:30:04 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Blogger

You’re right, it doesn’t matter what the exact number is. It is still a holocaust which is unparalleled in the history of the civilized world.


687 posted on 10/21/2007 10:30:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hildy
this is less about the unborn, then the control of women

Sorry -- ''this is less about the unborn, then the control of' NAZI 'women'

688 posted on 10/21/2007 10:31:13 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: Jim Noble

Perhaps. But, we have several possible vacancies in the Supreme Court coming up. If conservatives vote life, then we may actually get someone in there who will vote with the others to revoke Roe. If we vote pocket-book or anti-Hillary or whatever, odds are Roe will never be overturned and the killing will continue.


689 posted on 10/21/2007 10:32:08 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Blogger
If conservatives vote life, then we may actually get someone in there who will vote with the others to revoke Roe

Well, you need sixty pro-life Senators to confirm such a person, and right now there aren't 35.

But that aside, the day after Roe is overturned, what do you expect will happen?

690 posted on 10/21/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Hildy; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser; Salvation; NYer; cgk; Coleus; Liz; MHGinTN; ...
These aren’t good men..these are fanatics, who throw tantrums when they don’t get their way...and I’ll go further that this is less about the unborn, then [sic] the control of women. There...I said it.

You are so clearly unhinged, it is frightening!

Do you honestly believe that we are "fanatics" because we don't think that slaughtering 3500 infants a day is acceptable?

Do you honestly think that pro-life "fanatics" are trying to control women by not wanting them to kill their babies? Are parents trying to "control" their children by not allowing them to play in traffic?

Has it escaped your notice that of the 50 MILLION babies slaughtered by your favorite SCOTUS decision, approximately half of them were females?

How can you support women's rights and still support the murder of 25 MILLION women?

691 posted on 10/21/2007 10:40:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Noble

We need 60 pro-life and or not extremist liberals to confirm such a person. Pro-life is NOT the extreme position. The majority of Americans claim to support pro-life. Scalia was confirmed. Thomas was confirmed. We just had two (likely pro-life) gentlemen confirmed during the Bush administration. We just need rid of the Reids, Pelosis, Kennedys and folks of their extremist mindset to make progress.

What will happen. The NOW gang will be out hollering bloody murder. And depending upon the eloquence of the argument, pro-life conservatives will have something to use to outlaw abortion in the states. Never should have been a federal thing. Should be a states thing. And, with the exception of a few states, I think the majority would go life.


692 posted on 10/21/2007 10:40:41 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Hildy

I thought you promised to leave and not come back.

Ah well. Just one more proof that you can’t trust a liberal. Not that we needed any more evidence.


693 posted on 10/21/2007 10:44:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Blogger
Never should have been a federal thing. Should be a states thing

Thank you, Mr. Stephen A. Douglas.

The unalienable right to life predates and supercedes even the Constitution.

Unalienable rights come from the Creator, not from man. Any man who presumes to abrogate those rights is going to have a lot of explaining to do to Him. Good luck with that.

But, in any case, there is this:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. - The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

694 posted on 10/21/2007 10:49:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: wagglebee

How many times do we go around this...you think one way..I think another. Again, I live in the real world..you don’t. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned...so instead of being angry 24/7, why don’t you do something constuctive and really HELP babies?


695 posted on 10/21/2007 11:00:28 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: UKrepublican
The heart starts beating at 18 *days*. A baby is a baby from the gitgo. :*(
696 posted on 10/21/2007 11:01:40 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Agreed. But since our federal government has basically tossed out the constitution on its ear in this case,and since the Creator is not in the thinking of most politicians, we must rely on the states to undo what has been done.

Frankly, federal or states level period, it never should have been an issue. Murder is murder. Life is not something that we get to decide by majority rule. Unfortunately, we are placed in the situation where that is the case; and, I trust the states to revoke things before I trust the federal government.


697 posted on 10/21/2007 11:02:46 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: olde north church

Do you think Roe v. Wade is supported by the Constitution? I’d just like to see the issue return to the states where it rightfully belongs.


698 posted on 10/21/2007 11:03:21 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Hildy
How many times do we go around this...you think one way..I think another.

Typical moral relativist logic, you don't believe in right and wrong.

Roe v. Wade will never be overturned

That's what they said about slavery and it WAS constitutionally protected. And in case it escaped your attention, we only need on more vote on the court.

so instead of being angry 24/7, why don’t you do something constuctive and really HELP babies?

I happen think that trying to keep people like you from killing them is constructive.

699 posted on 10/21/2007 11:06:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hildy; wagglebee

Supporting their right to live does help them.

Killing 50 million does not.

We are destroying our future. Europe has already done it. They aren’t producing enough children to sustain their populations. They are being overtaken by Muslims and others who do not have high rates of abortion.

The evil we perpetrate today will come back 1000 fold on our heads tomorrow.

Hate illegal immigration? Get used to it. They are the America of the future as we abort ourselves into oblivious.

That’s the real world.


700 posted on 10/21/2007 11:06:07 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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