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NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Free Republic post ^ | 10/20/2007 | by ex-snook

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."

Agree.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; elections; electionsgiuliani; giuliani; moralabsolutes; prolife; rudy; wordup
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To: finnman69; Jim Robinson

I realize that common courtesy is difficult for liberals, but it is the norm around here to ping someone when you are talking about them.

But that aside, you seem to have missed the part about doing damage to AMERICA and yet all of your evidence of Stalin’s destruction is dealing with Eastern Europe.

And by the way, you can take the highest estimate available for Stalin’s genocide and it still pales in comparison to the genocide of the abortionists you support.


751 posted on 10/21/2007 12:56:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
A bit of advice, FRiend: Don't argue presidential politics with pro-abortion Rudy fans, especially the ones who literally have blood on their hands.
752 posted on 10/21/2007 12:59:52 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Petronski

It is getting a little heated, isn’t it?


753 posted on 10/21/2007 1:03:16 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; finnman69; Jim Robinson
If you are attacking another Freeper, it is common courtesy to ping him, especially when he is in general agreement with the site owner, and you are not.

That seems to be a habit of FRiberals.

754 posted on 10/21/2007 1:03:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: jonathanmo
Clearly the most insane, irrational, and idiotic post of the year on FR. You have totally lost your mind.

Still slightly more rational than locksteppers supporting a pro-abortionist on the Republican ticket.

755 posted on 10/21/2007 1:04:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: finnman69
The proclamation proves that person is not a conservative, but a pro-life single issue voter.

Read my post #725. Rudy is not just pro-abortion. He is liberal on all of the issues except the war, and he's still authoritarian on that, pushing National ID cards and crap. If Rudy's nominated, then the GOP might as well take me off their mailing list and stop begging me for donations, because they ain't getting it and I ain't going door-to-door on my own free time "spreading the word" for Rudy. (Oh, I'll spread the word allright...)

757 posted on 10/21/2007 1:13:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: finnman69
Which third party?

The one that will instantly form if Rudy's the nominee.

758 posted on 10/21/2007 1:15:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Some of the Rudy supporters have actually had an abortion, and rather than face the guilt of that act, they choose to insist there is nothing wrong with the killing, and all is well with abortion.

"Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!"

759 posted on 10/21/2007 1:18:21 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: finnman69

Some pro-life, pro-gun voters will support Rudy if he gets the nomination. Maybe a lot of them.

But not enough.


760 posted on 10/21/2007 1:19:36 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Jim Noble; wagglebee

Wow Jim, are you saying that calling people “abortionists” if they don’t agree with your method to eliminate abortions isn’t an effective strategy? Whodda’ thunk it???

I’m starting to no longer wonder why the pro-life movement has had such a small impact (or no impact) on reducing abortion over the past several decades given the tactics displayed here.

Maybe if they spent less time talking down their noses to everyone, demeaning and calling names, they might sway a few people to realize the abomination abortion is. All it took for me was seeing my first baby in the womb at 2 weeks gestated. THAT changed everything.


761 posted on 10/21/2007 1:20:04 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: Petronski

Didn’t know that. So we have actual, unrepentant baby killers around here? Revolting!! I feel dirty being around them!


762 posted on 10/21/2007 1:22:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: pillut48

We saw our baby’s heartbeat (couldn’t hear it yet, but saw it on ultrasound) at 14 days gestated.

And I’ll still vote Rudy if it’s him.


763 posted on 10/21/2007 1:23:01 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: Petronski

maybe, maybe not


764 posted on 10/21/2007 1:23:51 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: blasater1960
In a way, this thread is a pathetic feel good lie.

The only liars are you and the other Rooty Rooters!

765 posted on 10/21/2007 1:24:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; finnman69; jonathanmo
I realize that common courtesy is difficult for liberals, but it is the norm around here to ping someone when you are talking about them.


766 posted on 10/21/2007 1:24:53 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: wagglebee

I am not a Rudy supporter. Didnt you read all of my post before it got yanked by the censors?


767 posted on 10/21/2007 1:27:01 PM PDT by blasater1960
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If Hillary wins becomes president, the religious right will be fed to the left in order to appease them as to what needs to be done to stop islamofascism. Kind of a trade. (”all religions are bad”). Rudy respects your right to exist & worship as you please. The left doesn’t. Watch & see.


768 posted on 10/21/2007 1:27:37 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: finnman69
"The conservative Taliban are now threatening to strap on figurative suicide bombs and take down the party they can't sway."

Sorry, pal. This is where we part company. Bye.

769 posted on 10/21/2007 1:28:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Gondring

Give your eyes a break. If you’re running Windows XP, turn on ClearType font smoothing.


770 posted on 10/21/2007 1:29:43 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Gondring; Jim Robinson
Actually it is 'Nobody by that name'.

Too bad, there aren't all that many fellow Finns around here!! Not a good idea to call the site owner a Taliban as I warned him.

771 posted on 10/21/2007 1:30:19 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: finnman69
<AOLVoice>Goodbye!</AOLVoice>
772 posted on 10/21/2007 1:31:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Gondring

Who got banned?


773 posted on 10/21/2007 1:31:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blasater1960
Didnt you read all of my post before it got yanked by the censors?

If you look just below the buttons on the 'Posting Comment' page it says:
'Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.'. If you continue to post that way, you will go to wherever Finnman69 is!!

774 posted on 10/21/2007 1:35:26 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: blasater1960; Jim Robinson
Didnt you read all of my post before it got yanked by the censors?

Free Republic is a PRIVATE web forum. ONLY the government can censor, what Jim and the moderators do is remove posts that are offensive to the FReepers, the state purpose of FR or violate a policy. There IS NO censorship here.

775 posted on 10/21/2007 1:40:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: cammie
I read the context of your post. I'm very sorry for that person's loss but what happened to his wife isn't really part of the abortion debate and never was.

For starters the operation to save a woman's life described in that post isn't considered an abortion in medical terms. When a doctor is faced with saving a pregnant woman's life and the pregnancy itself is a complicating factor unless the fetus is too immature to possibly survive outside the womb he/she will view both mother and child as patients and do everything possible to save them both. That is a quantitative difference in intent from abortion where the primary goal it to kill the baby.

You can let a small minority of Pro-Life people who support a position that never was the law and is only theoretically an issue in a possible future beyond the end of Roe v. Wade push you away from supporting life over destruction of life if you want to. That is your choice. I prefer to deal with the here and now not what ifs.

776 posted on 10/21/2007 1:41:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: I_like_good_things_too
Rudy respects your right to exist

Unless of course you are one of the 3500 babies who are murdered EVERY DAY with Rooty Toot's explicit support.

777 posted on 10/21/2007 1:42:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: I_like_good_things_too
I’m starting to no longer wonder why the pro-life movement has had such a small impact (or no impact) on reducing abortion over the past several decades given the tactics displayed here.

Abortion is down over 20% from its peak. In fact, abortion dropped LESS in NYC under Rooty Toot than it did in the rest of the country during the same time period.

778 posted on 10/21/2007 1:46:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Yes, I know. It didnt do any of those things however. I was trying to make the strongest Pro-life statement of all. It was an indictment of us all, not any one person. Most of us are guilty of not doing enough. Sorry, no intent to offend but trying to broaden the discussion. I guess it didnt need broadened......


779 posted on 10/21/2007 1:51:36 PM PDT by blasater1960
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To: wagglebee
I’m trying to figure out what your agenda is, because it CANNOT be to win people over to the pro-life cause. Your behaviour is repellent and you are swaying no one. Not a very effective tactic.

If the scenario plays out as it looks like it will, Rudy wins nomination but loses the general to Hillary, the prolife movement specifically & the Christian right in general will be obliterated. The same would not happen under Rudy. That’s how I see it, and I think we’ll get a chance to see who is right. Now, how many babies will that save?

780 posted on 10/21/2007 1:52:56 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: Reaganomix
I’d have to say abortion takes a backseat to our economy and foreign policy, sorry.

Why be sorry? You have your priorities and you've made them clear. Be proud of what you stand up for.

781 posted on 10/21/2007 1:54:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: I_like_good_things_too

What got me about Rudy was when the Lord spare his life on 9/11 you would think he would be grateful and wake up on the awful situation he was in defend the Lord’s children.

It is despicable to see him use his authority to have allowed partial birth abortion in the pass.


782 posted on 10/21/2007 1:55:03 PM PDT by restornu (Improve Each Shining Moment! PRESS FORWARD MITT!)
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To: restornu

I wonder if anyone has tried to change him through educating him about abortion, or if they just spend their time calling him names & questioning if he’s gay?


783 posted on 10/21/2007 1:57:03 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: Jim Robinson

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Actually there is something more important than life - God.

But I agree with the intent of this thread and give it a heartfelt bump.


784 posted on 10/21/2007 1:57:49 PM PDT by free_life (Pro God is Pro life)
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To: I_like_good_things_too

I think Hannity did try many times on and off the air!


785 posted on 10/21/2007 1:59:48 PM PDT by restornu (Improve Each Shining Moment! PRESS FORWARD MITT!)
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To: blasater1960
I guess it didnt need broadened....

Not quite THAT broad, IMHO!

786 posted on 10/21/2007 1:59:51 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: I_like_good_things_too; restornu
I wonder if anyone has tried to change him through educating him about abortion,

Are you suggesting that someone who is a major candidate for the GOP nomination might not be aware of the specifics of abortion and its impact on America?

787 posted on 10/21/2007 2:00:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: restornu
I think Hannity did try many times on and off the air!

Eventually, Hannity just dropped the issue and now spends his time trying to convince is declining audience that Rooty Toot's liberalism isn't an issue.

788 posted on 10/21/2007 2:03:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hildy
"These aren’t good men..these are fanatics, who throw tantrums when they don’t get their way...and I’ll go further that this is less about the unborn, then the control of women. There...I said it."

Amazing confession.

789 posted on 10/21/2007 2:08:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: wagglebee

These are the times that try men souls

Some more Thomas Paine!:)


790 posted on 10/21/2007 2:29:37 PM PDT by restornu (Improve Each Shining Moment! PRESS FORWARD MITT!)
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To: cammie
Even if everything you said was true, we are not even at the primaries yet. Continued talk of settling for Rudy at some point,only helps Rudy now, and lessons the chances of a Huck, Thompson or Hunter nominee.

btw, GW Bush gave us Roberts and Alito.

791 posted on 10/21/2007 2:41:59 PM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend (God Bless Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, and Huck.)
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To: restornu

I had a two hour drive the other day and Hannity’s radio show was on. He was talking about the decision to give 11 year old girls birth control pills. A bunch of callers were supportive of the plan, which seemed strange to me. After listening a while longer I realized that not many conservatives were even calling his show anymore. I think he has run off most regular listeners who aren’t Rooty Rooters.


792 posted on 10/21/2007 2:44:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
Oh Geez, not another pogrom. Even though I pledged $100, and will certainly pay it, please disappear me now!
793 posted on 10/21/2007 2:56:27 PM PDT by Jagman (I drank Frank Rabelais under the table!)
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To: wagglebee

Look at the address line :-)


794 posted on 10/21/2007 2:59:15 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Yeah, I figured it out.


795 posted on 10/21/2007 3:01:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The one that will instantly form if Rudy's the nominee.

And who would vote for it? You and some other single issue voters. The vast majority of Republicans and conservatives such as myself will be voting for the Republican nominee. See we live in reality and understand how the political process works.

796 posted on 10/21/2007 3:02:24 PM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: Jim Robinson

Been waitin’ for that :)


797 posted on 10/21/2007 3:09:33 PM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: scarface367; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Jim Robinson
And who would vote for it? You and some other single issue voters. The vast majority of Republicans and conservatives such as myself will be voting for the Republican nominee. See we live in reality and understand how the political process works.

Rooty Rooters fall into exactly two categories:

1. They are conservative "single issue voters" who have been duped into voting for Rooty because he was mayor of NYC on 9/11. Hopefully, when they understand that Rooty is a liberal who didn't do anything on 9/11 (though he is responsible for untold unnecessary deaths due to his ignoring the fact that the WTC was a terrorist target for seven and a half years), these conservatives will come around. (For what it's worth, I think that the number of people in this category is VERY SMALL.)

2. Thy are Rooty Rooters because they actually support his liberalism and have always resented conservatives in the GOP.

So, which category are you in?

798 posted on 10/21/2007 3:10:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: scarface367
Vast majority might be a bit of a stretch.

Free Republic Opinion Poll: (10/12)

If it's a constitution trampling, gun grabbing, abortion/gay rights/illegal alien supporting NY liberal vs Hillary in the general election, how do you vote?

Composite Opinion
Rudy the abortionist 49.5% 1,172
Third party 23.5% 557
Write-in 12.5% 296
Stay home 9.4% 223
Hillary the abortionist 3.0% 72
Leave blank 1.9% 46 99.8% 2,366

799 posted on 10/21/2007 3:11:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: scarface367

“You and some other single issue voters.”

Do you just lump every social issue into the “single issue” smear or are you speaking of abortion only, and you agree with Rudy on evrything else?


800 posted on 10/21/2007 3:15:05 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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