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NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Free Republic post ^ | 10/20/2007 | by ex-snook

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."

Agree.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan


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KEYWORDS: abortion; elections; electionsgiuliani; giuliani; moralabsolutes; prolife; rudy; wordup
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To: DTogo
It will depend upon where you live. For many, their vote won't make any difference because they live in a state such as California, that Hillary will win no matter what.

In those cases your vote for a pro-life candidate instead of Rudy will not be "letting Hillary have it" since she will win that state anyway. However, your vote for a third party pro-life candidate night do a few things: send a clear message that RINOS are not supported by the base for one and two, possibly garnering enough votes for a pro-life third party to qualify for matching funds.

51 posted on 10/20/2007 2:38:00 PM PDT by ZGuy ("Modern universities and colleges are the biggest fraud on the planet." -- David Allen White.)
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To: Jim Robinson

PRay for the unborn.
VOTE PRO-LIFE.


52 posted on 10/20/2007 2:39:12 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (Duncan Hunter .....................a man of his word.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bumperoo


53 posted on 10/20/2007 2:39:13 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: Jim Robinson

Did you see or read quotes from Rudy’s speech to the Values conference?

Unbelieveable.

Apparently Christianity is defined by “inclusiveness” and what we share in common, not the principles that we don’t. Well, sure, if by that you mean sex, race etc...are not/should not be dividers we’re inclusive. But I don’t see God relaxing his his laws so we can have a big love in in heaven with Buddhists, Muslims and Atheiests and I’m not relaxing my principles to accept this liberal on the top of the ticket. i accepted too many in Congress and saw where that got us.

he also states he finds it difficult to understand why people make him out an advocate for liberal causes. sanctuary cities mayor? Liberal appointments to the courts? friendship with the ACLU ring a bell?

reagan is apparently now his hero, after Reagan is dead and one of the five most popular presidents. Not so much back when his approval rating was a lot lower and he was still breathing on this earth.

Rudy says we should never let anyone tell us our faith shouldn’t be part of our political values. then he cites that 80% agreement shouldn’t make him an enemy, meaning we should compromises our faith to elect him President.
At the end he gives this huge piece about a good political leader being one who is honest. After spending an entire speech being less then honest and referencing God more times then i suspect he ever did privately as mayor of new York, attending gay pride parades and courting his mistress.

the only parts that ring true in here are his remarks on the WOT and Israel. On thse issues I have some respect for him. but that’s not enough, not near enough to e the Republican nominee.


54 posted on 10/20/2007 2:40:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Minipax
"I will never vote for any of these baby-killers. Anyone who believes that it is ok to murder the unborn is irredeemable in my eyes."

Not even if they've had a recent "change of heart" on the subject!

55 posted on 10/20/2007 2:40:32 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Jim Robinson
If you don’t stand up for the unborn, how can you stand up for anything else?

Any society that stands by silently while 3500 babies per day are murdered does not have the moral authority to lead the free world.

56 posted on 10/20/2007 2:41:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RasterMaster
Right to Life act 2003 “Today I am introducing legislation that, if passed, will once and for all protect our unborn children from harm. Over 1.3 million abortions are performed in the United States each year and over 38 million have been performed since abortion was legalized in 1973. This is a national tragedy. It is the duty of all Americans to protect our children - born and unborn. This bill, the Right to Life Act, would provide blanket protection to all unborn children from the moment of conception.” http://www.house.gov/hunter/news_prior_2006/righttolife03.html Thanks, Raster. I was looking for this today.
57 posted on 10/20/2007 2:41:03 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: DTogo

Then it’s too late and we’ve already lost. A liberal abortionist vs liberal abortionist is no choice at all. If Rudy gets the nomination, I’ll be praying that enough pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-constitution senators, congressmen, governors, judges, religious and conservative leaders and grassroots citizens like you and I become thoroughly disgusted with the GOP’s head-long slide into socialism that they join together and form a new party dedicated to defending Life, Liberty and Freedom. There is precedence. It’s how the Republican party was formed.


58 posted on 10/20/2007 2:41:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

What if this position results in more deaths in the long runs?


59 posted on 10/20/2007 2:41:12 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Reagan Man

BUMP


60 posted on 10/20/2007 2:41:38 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Bogeygolfer

Whether you can “tolerate” it or not, It happened in ‘92, ‘96, ‘06 even in 2000 when the DUI cast doubt on G.W.B’s credibility and let us not forget the last admitted pro choice Republican gerald ford who lost to Jimmy Carter. the last democrat to get over 50% of the vote.

Either help get a conservative through that primary, or get used to tolerating enough of the base staying at home again. that or finding another option.


61 posted on 10/20/2007 2:43:19 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Duncan Hunter Anti-Abortion Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsbAfkubkjE

Duncan Hunter Right To Life 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYrExqXhZo


62 posted on 10/20/2007 2:43:56 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Jim Robinson

Look. My first wife had malignant melanoma diagnosed when she found out she was pregnant with our second child. She had to undergo emergency radical surgery to try to save her life. We were at a catholic hospital (the same one who watched as my Mother went into cardiac arrest and died.) we had to end that pregnancy to save my wife’s life. Well, she died a horrible death from melanoma spreading to her intestines, spinal chord and brain. Do not, I pray as a conservative person, judge what we had to do. I endured six years of hell.

I do not want Hillary Clinton elected President of the United States. If Rudy Guiliani is the nominee of the Republican Party and can beat Herself the First then I will indeed vote for her. This has struck a nerve with me. I hate abortion too, but it is between a man, his wife, his doctor and his God.


63 posted on 10/20/2007 2:44:35 PM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I think Guiliani is the MSM’s best hope for a third party split with the conservatives. The MSM is desperate to push out conservatives from the GOP. We also have RINOs and especially women who are Republican by marriage who have no problem voting for Hillary when it is NYC left vs NYC left. By eliminating the rino Rudy factor the distictions are too dramatic.

No Giuliani, no third party.
No Giuliani, no split
No Giuliani, no problem for GOP


64 posted on 10/20/2007 2:44:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

Explain to me how voting, e.g. a third party candidate and therefore, by default, allowing the democrat candidate to win is "winning". All of the candidates for the Republican nomination, including Giuliani, are better than any of the democrat candidates where it comes to pro-life positions. You can rest assured that if the democrat is elected by those who are pro-life by either staying away or voting for a third party, the cause of life is not advanced. It is a classic case of cutting off ones nose to spite it's face. Don't do that.

65 posted on 10/20/2007 2:45:01 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: El Sordo; Jim Robinson
What if this position results in more deaths in the long runs?

Please suggest any scenario where voting against an abortionist candidate for president would INCREASE the number of abortions.

66 posted on 10/20/2007 2:45:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: sweetiepiezer

Yes, pray for the unborn and their parents, and this country!


67 posted on 10/20/2007 2:45:23 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: BenLurkin
Permitting democrats to take elected offices will not protect any of the unborn. It can only serve to make things worse.

While your argument seems to be well reasoned, I will take exception:

If one allows the Republican Party to win with a Pro-choice candidate, it will effectively remove the Pro-Life plank from the platform. It is probable that abortion will never be revisited as a party issue ever again- ergo, Pro-life will have no champion.

If the Republicans will not defend Pro-Life, as it is Pro_life's only defender (politically), it is a virtual acceptance of abortion into our society.

One must also look to the moral fiber of our party and our country. If we cannot be trusted to defend the weakest and most vulnerable of our own society, then what right have we to defend anything?

68 posted on 10/20/2007 2:45:29 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: BenLurkin
First we have George Bush and the last Republican congress establish the GOP as the party of big spenders. Now we are asked to support a New York liberal, abortion supporter, gay rights advocate, cross dresser as the party nominee should he get it. Maybe we can get someone that is anti-military next and complete the transition to Dem-lite. Maybe you are satisfied with the direction of the party but I do not vote for liberals no matter what letter is behind their names.
69 posted on 10/20/2007 2:45:42 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Jim Robinson
Respectfully disagree - The current WOT/WWIV is more important than the long going battle of abortion.

Reality is Mr. Giuliani will not make abortion his litmus test for appointing federal judges (as most certainly will Democrats), however, Mr. Giuliani will appoint conservative judges to the bench. Being a conservative in terms of the law will be his guidelines (as it should be).

The abortion battle (for those on the pro-life side) is being won via education & technology.......

Reality is serious minded adults need to make choices between the options actual available to them (even when bad, ugly options are all they may have during a given instance)....one cannot wish away such realities nor choose some pie-in-the-sky nonviable alternative.

If Mr. Giuliani were to win the GOP nomination...and the choice be between him or the ilk of the Democrat candidate....There is no real choice for the serious minded at this time period, with this great nation. Mr. Giuliani would have to be that choice.

We have too many warriors down range risking all 24/7 than to cut bait on them over a domestic issue that has been on going for the past 40 years (+) -

70 posted on 10/20/2007 2:46:05 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: wagglebee; All

“Any society that stands by silently while 3500 babies per day are murdered does not have the moral authority to lead the free world”

The truth!


72 posted on 10/20/2007 2:46:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: RasterMaster

Duncan Hunter Anti-Abortion Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsbAfkubkjE

Duncan Hunter Right To Life 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYrExqXhZo

A double thank you!


73 posted on 10/20/2007 2:47:57 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: El Sordo
"What if this position results in more deaths in the long runs?"

It won’t unless we surrender. If the Republican party abandons the fight for life and liberty, then the pro-abortion socialists will reign supreme.

74 posted on 10/20/2007 2:47:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Absolutely! Amen. Amen. Amen.


75 posted on 10/20/2007 2:48:13 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Jim Robinson

As for me and my family—we vote with you, Jim—no pro-choice candidate will get our vote.

I have 43 direct, living descendents-——all of those old enough to vote (there are 17 as of now) will not vote for a pro-choice candidiate. Those still too young to vote will follow in the footsteps of their predecessors when they are able to vote.


76 posted on 10/20/2007 2:49:58 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Jim Robinson

Then let’s stop him in the primaries.


77 posted on 10/20/2007 2:50:25 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bump.. for life.


78 posted on 10/20/2007 2:51:09 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
The recent examples of 2000, 2004 and 2006 should be a major clue. The Presidential elections were close only because a REAGAN conservative wasn't in the running and the base stayed home. The 2006 election was lost when Republicans didn't stick to conservative principles, thus losing their base voters.

When you push "moderate" candidates, there isn't much difference in them or the democrat and that alone drives the base away. When you push for CONSERVATIVE candidates, it isn't even a close race.

79 posted on 10/20/2007 2:51:54 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: mc5cents

not voting for Rudy Giuliani in the primary eliminates the issue.

Giuliani obviously is devisive and therefore a liability.

the solution

no Giuliani, no problem.


80 posted on 10/20/2007 2:52:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ElkGroveDan
I am thoroughly convinced that there is this small percent of Republicans, maybe 10-20%, who would - LITERALLY - give their immortal souls away to not have to see Hillary win.

Betting it's higher than 50%

Zogby Poll: Half Say They Would Never Vote for Hillary Clinton for President

81 posted on 10/20/2007 2:53:56 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: longtermmemmory

That’s true, but sometimes the electorate overrides our individual wishes and a guy like Giuliani gets the nod. If that happens, the party cannot depend on my individual vote. I can’t speak for anyone else.


82 posted on 10/20/2007 2:54:59 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: DevSix; Jim Robinson; wagglebee; All

“Reality is Mr. Giuliani will not make abortion his litmus test for appointing federal judges (as most certainly will Democrats), however, Mr. Giuliani will appoint conservative judges to the bench. Being a conservative in terms of the law will be his guidelines (as it should be).

Rudy is a LIAR, so he cannot be trusted on any level, especially on the appointment of Federal judges. Rudy is a reprobate.
Rudy must go!


83 posted on 10/20/2007 2:55:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Watch out. James Dobson was demonized and ridiculed for saying exactly the same thing.


84 posted on 10/20/2007 2:55:54 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: chesley
Then let’s stop him in the primaries

Agreed. California FReepers will have a lot to say about this. With all the votes this state has, if Rudy can't take CA, he would have a rough row to hoe. Make sure all your like thinking friends get out for the primary.

85 posted on 10/20/2007 2:58:08 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: wagglebee

“Any society that stands by silently while 3500 babies per day are murdered does not have the moral authority to lead the free world.”

Such a society also cannot expect the blessings of the Almighty God, from Whom all life originates.


86 posted on 10/20/2007 2:58:41 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty

Don’t mean to boast, but... on my parents’ behalf...

more than 70 living descendents-not all old enough to vote

yet. Of those who vote, none vote for death.

God bless you!


87 posted on 10/20/2007 2:58:41 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: chesley

the primary attention is the key.

The fact of the matter is voting against Giuliani in the primary is the SAME as voting against Hillary Clinton in the primary.


88 posted on 10/20/2007 2:59:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Baladas
Knock him out in the primaries, then.

The thing is, is that the RNC establishment & party hacks such as Governor Good Hair & Rep. Sessions are shilling for Rudy. Rudy and his stooge Vanity at Faux News (see tagline) are trying to give Rudy the nomination on a silver platter. We got our work cut out for us, but I'm confident Rudy won't get nominated, and if he is, conservatives will simply vote 3rd party as we should.

89 posted on 10/20/2007 3:00:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: chesley

That would be best. In the meantime, we need to send a loud and clear message to the GOP and its liberal, moderate and pro-abortion RINO wing, and other weak-kneed, hand-wringing members, if you abandon the party’s long-standing conservative principles and the party’s platform of defending life and liberty by nominating a constitution trampling abortionist, you will never ever win another election and your party dies.


90 posted on 10/20/2007 3:01:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Amen, JB. Fighting abortion is the #1 priority for anyone who thinks it through enough and realizes the constant human massacre that is going on under the pretense of medicine.

We have to pray that Giuliani will not be the nominee, but the polls aren’t looking good.

I only vote my conscience every time. But if it does come down to a choice between Giuliani and Clinton for President, I may have to painfully choose the lesser of two evils.

We can expect some Supreme Court Justices to retire in these next four years. I know Giuliani is pro-choice and stands by that, but he says (FWIW) he will appoint judges like Alito and Roberts. That gives me SOME hope for his picks, whereas I have absolutely ZERO hope with Clinton’s. Those judges will likely stay there for many years, so we are not talking about just the 4-year-long presidency.

This is in no way meant as a defense of Guiliani. First of all, we all just need to get a real Republican elected in the primary.

91 posted on 10/20/2007 3:01:33 PM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Jim Robinson

I will not vote for Rudy G. if I can avoid it, but his court nominees I am quite certain would be far preferable to any that any Democrat would put forth. While Rudy is not pro-life, neither is he pro-abortion, in my opinion. That is, I don’t believe he would pursue a rabidly pro-abortion agenda, as would any Democrat, and especially the Hildebeast.
That being said, my ticket of preference is Hunter/Thompson, or vice versa.


92 posted on 10/20/2007 3:02:16 PM PDT by Elsiejay (,)
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To: DevSix
Mr. Giuliani would have to be that choice.

You are asking conservatives to throw away their principles in exchange for political expediency that will change at the drop of a dime when Rudy's safely in the WH. No thanks. If the race is between Hillary and Rudy and if there are no alternatives, I will laugh my ass off when Rudy loses to Hillary.

93 posted on 10/20/2007 3:03:29 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Soul Seeker

That was exactly my point. The solution is in the primaries. When we get to the general election is where we disagree. Any party will lose if they have a faction, any faction, that stays home. As to the general election and folks not voting for a RINO I would suggest it is counter productive to the pro life movement in that there will be several Supreme Court justices appointed during the next term. Even a Rudy appointment will be better than a Clinton appointment. If faced with the choice of either Rudy or Hillary a vote for Rudy will save more lives than a protest vote.


94 posted on 10/20/2007 3:04:17 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

We need to “Swift Boat” Rudy....the MSM will not show him as a liberal.


95 posted on 10/20/2007 3:05:24 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: FreePoster

Giuliani is the new Bob Dole.

The GOP leadership of the effete elites inside the beltway and NYC snoberatti think Giuliani is “due” because THEY think he is electable and conservatives will not go anywhere.

no Giuliani, no problem


96 posted on 10/20/2007 3:05:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jim Robinson

If you feel sorry for the baby seal when you see the picture of it about to be clubbed to death, think of what they do to the baby humans with their knives.

Great post, Jim. (You been here long?)


97 posted on 10/20/2007 3:06:16 PM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; All

I know, as well as the MSM - they’re all pushing Rudy as a fail-safe. Abortion is probably the biggest tenet of the left, but you can’t put lipstick on a pig and sell it.


98 posted on 10/20/2007 3:06:25 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: DevSix; Jim Robinson; stephenjohnbanker
Reality is Mr. Giuliani will not make abortion his litmus test for appointing federal judges (as most certainly will Democrats), however, Mr. Giuliani will appoint conservative judges to the bench. Being a conservative in terms of the law will be his guidelines (as it should be).

Reality is that politicians will lie their asses off to get elected.

The Rooty Rooters have either been duped by a charlatan or they don't really care about life.

99 posted on 10/20/2007 3:07:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

From Family Research Council’s “Values Voter Summit” - Afternoon Session, Star Parker (at about 1 hr into the session):

“We WILL NOT COMPROMISE on the life of the unborn”

http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,&ArchiveDays=100


100 posted on 10/20/2007 3:08:03 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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