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Can Hillary Clinton win? - Opponents try to cast doubt on her electability
Chicago Tribune ^ | October 20, 2007 | Jill Zuckman

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:48:28 PM PDT by neverdem

WHEAT RIDGE, Colo.—Steve Valdez, a retired high school history teacher, is keeping an eye on the presidential campaign and wondering about Sen. Hillary Clinton's chances.

"Is history ready?" asks Valdez, an independent voter, unsure whether voters will embrace the controversial former first lady for president.

With Clinton consolidating her lead over Sen. Barack Obama and former Sen. John Edwards, her Democratic rivals are increasingly questioning her ability to win the White House in a general election. They say her polarizing persona will keep her from defeating a Republican, hoping the seeds of doubt they plant now will cause voters to look their way come primary or caucus day.

Ever since Clinton stepped onto the presidential stage with her husband, she has been a lightning rod on the right and sometimes the left. She offended some women when she defended her decision to work, saying, "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas." She raised eyebrows when the public learned she had turned $1,000 into $100,000 from cattle futures trading. And she became a political target when she tried to overhaul the health-care system with closed-door meetings.

Her opponents argue that Clinton engenders such hostile feelings that she will energize Republicans against her and other Democratic candidates, particularly in swing states like Colorado. Already, the Republican National Committee is taking aim at Clinton multiple times a day while virtually ignoring her rivals.

The question of electability is often tied up in a candidate's likability, and in Clinton's case, it could also be an alternative way of asking whether a woman can be elected president. It is a loosely defined but fundamentally important part of the formula for a winning candidate.

"I think there's no doubt that she carries some significant baggage," said David Axelrod, Obama's chief...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
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1 posted on 10/20/2007 2:48:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

She won’t win if all the corruption in her background is exposed and the numerous suspicious deaths of people associated with the Clintoons are investigated and exposed. She and Bubba have enough “room temperature” associates to fill a cemetery.


2 posted on 10/20/2007 2:52:33 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: neverdem

She shouldn’t win. As a matter of fact, she shouldn’t even be out from behind bars. Her and Slick should be doing life in Leavenworth for all the crimes against this country and against their “associates” over the years.


3 posted on 10/20/2007 2:53:53 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: neverdem

She cannot win . . . . unless The Stupid Party nominates Giuliani.


4 posted on 10/20/2007 2:57:15 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: neverdem

CAN she win? Yes, it’s entirely possible.

SHOULD she win? God forbid!!!


5 posted on 10/20/2007 3:02:50 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Happily watching the Left go full-goose bozo.)
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To: neverdem
"Is history ready?"

Of course history is ready for a female President. Just not this (corrupt) one. I always said that if Jeanne Kirkpatrick had run against Clintigula instead of Bob Dole - she would have beaten the bent one handily.

6 posted on 10/20/2007 3:03:58 PM PDT by capydick (Suit Up. Enter the Arena. Play the Game. Play Your Sport)
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To: neverdem

“Is history ready?” asks Valdez”

Ready for what? A woman who is probably the least qualified candidate to ever run for President of the US. A woman who is a crook, cheat and liar and enables her rapist husband? A woman who is weak. A woman who is a front just like her husband is and will take orders from people who will make her rich; but never really powerful.

And last; but not least a woman women will vote for simply because she is a woman. Maybe some; but give us a break. Most women would never vote for her unless, of course, they like being subservient.


7 posted on 10/20/2007 3:04:11 PM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: capydick

Well, maybe I shouldn’t get into this topic, but I think you’re partially right - a woman could get elected as president, but not this woman and it’d be much harder in their party to elect any woman as president.


8 posted on 10/20/2007 3:09:41 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: neverdem
WHY I'LL N-E-V-E-R VOTE FOR HILLARY

DOZE FOLKS IS CRAZY!!!!!!

9 posted on 10/20/2007 3:09:45 PM PDT by soozla ("It is God's job to judge the terrorists....it is our job to arrange the meeting" - U.S. Marines)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Her opponents? You mean guys like John Zogby whose recent poll indicates 50% of the American public will never vote for her?


10 posted on 10/20/2007 3:12:36 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: neverdem

As Marxist/Lenninist Dems say, no enemies to the left. So this ‘journalist’ tries making it out like Hillary has enemies there. Ain’t buyin’ it.


11 posted on 10/20/2007 3:15:40 PM PDT by CT (Thompson wouldn't convict Clinton, and now I won't vote Fred)
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To: neverdem
The Supreme Court is the most important issue in the next presidential election.

Stevens is 87. Scalia, Kennedy, and Ginsburg are all over 70. Souter and Breyer will be over 70 by the time the next president is sworn in.

Whoever is elected president in 2008 will get to fill at least 2 and maybe 3 seats.

President Hillary? Be afraid. Be very afraid.

12 posted on 10/20/2007 3:24:46 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: neverdem

Just leave hillary aside and look at the other Democrat candidates. Obama. Edwards. What a pair of losers. And turning to the other Dem candidates, it’s downhill from there.

Most Democrats I have spoken with like Obama much better than hillary, but the guy is a lightweight idiot, half privileged American hippie child and half African Muslim. Great. So that leaves hillary.


13 posted on 10/20/2007 3:27:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem
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14 posted on 10/20/2007 3:29:13 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: neverdem
I honestly don't think she's electable.

Just listen to her spek - she has one of the most grating voices I've ever heard from either a man or a woman.

And I'm not trying to make a lame joke, either.

15 posted on 10/20/2007 3:36:58 PM PDT by FierceDraka (I'm not against the government. The government is against ME.)
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To: neverdem
For Hillary, there's no such thing as Dirty Money
16 posted on 10/20/2007 3:42:29 PM PDT by Eva
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To: neverdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZTB62AaH-4&mode=related&search=


17 posted on 10/20/2007 4:00:30 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: soozla

Thanks for the link.


18 posted on 10/20/2007 4:07:09 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

hillary should be in the same prison as spitzer.


19 posted on 10/20/2007 4:21:20 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Eva; finnman69
An unlikely treasure-trove of donors for Clinton in Chinatown and around NYC

Thanks for the links.

20 posted on 10/20/2007 4:24:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

IMO, it’s still a tossup. Barring any stunning primary results, she remains the heir apparent to the DNC nomination.

So far, the Republicans have yet (still IMO) to field a candidate with sufficient vision and appeal to attract the majority of the conservative base. Withe the likes of Lou Dobbs threatening to try to sway his followers to vote 3rd party should a Giuliani, Romney, or McCain become the GOP nominee, we could well face another 1992 election when Perot returned to the campaign trail (after pulling out) to split the conservative vote and hand the WH to the Clintons. He returned in 1996 against an ineffective (but well-respected) Bob Dole to do it again!!

Dobbs could end up causing history to repeat itself if the GOP doesn’t get its act together and push a candidate who can appeal to and unite the base.

If not, we could end up having to grow accustomed to seeing “President Hillary Clinton” all over the news.


21 posted on 10/20/2007 4:24:48 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: neverdem
she can't win a fair election with high turnout.

But the real question is, can she be prevented from becoming president?

22 posted on 10/20/2007 4:24:56 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand
But the real question is, can she be prevented from becoming president?

She can't be prevented as long as she and her husband are under the protection of the current occupant of the white house.

23 posted on 10/20/2007 4:52:48 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: varon
She can't be prevented as long as she and her husband are under the protection of the current occupant of the white house.

yeah, whatever.

24 posted on 10/20/2007 4:55:46 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Cicero
Most Democrats I have spoken with like Obama much better than hillary, but the guy is a lightweight idiot, half privileged American hippie child and half African Muslim. Great. So that leaves hillary.

Here in Manhattan, I have yet to see one bumper sticker, button or tee shirt for Mrs. Clinton. Maybe I should go down to Chinatown. Oh, tons for Obama. I even spotted a car with a perfectly new "Dukakis for President" bumper sticker...I thought, is he running again? Must be the car was locked away in the garage for 20 years.
25 posted on 10/20/2007 5:06:07 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: DustyMoment
Dobbs could end up causing history to repeat itself if the GOP doesn’t get its act together and push a candidate who can appeal to and unite the base.

Poll finds Thompson appeals to churchgoers

26 posted on 10/20/2007 5:20:50 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
You're welcome!!! Send it along to anyone you know who comprehends English...........but Bubba Leroy Post #12 - hits this nail squarely on the head re: Hillary! The real danger with her are the SCOTUS appointments which probably will come the way of the next POTUS
27 posted on 10/20/2007 5:34:46 PM PDT by soozla ("It is God's job to judge the terrorists....it is our job to arrange the meeting" - U.S. Marines)
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To: varon

No, I think she’s under the protection of the “power behind the throne” of the Democrat party! You know, the George Soros type!


28 posted on 10/20/2007 6:25:24 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: All; Sig Sauer P220; Richard Poe; ExTexasRedhead; reformjoy; Calpernia; Clinton Is Scum

.

NEVER FORGET

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In another time of war in a another century HILLARY RODHAM & WILLIAM CLINTON supported our terrorist Communist North Vietnamese enemy’s push to take over the then Free South Vietnamese People, horridly bringing down on the once Free:

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Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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..”JOURNEY from the FALL”.. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

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What price is left for the still Free, that’s US, to pay now...
...in a new time of war against terrorists
...in a new century
...with our own Freedom
...directly at stake
...right here at home..?

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Signed:..”ALOHA RONNIE” Guyer
Veteran-”WE WERE SOLDIERS” Battle of IA DRANG-1965, Landing Zone Falcon

(”WE WERE SOLDIERS” Photo Collection)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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NEVER FORGET

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29 posted on 10/20/2007 6:30:04 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
HILLARY! UNCENSORED documentary to debut at Harvard University on Oct. 26, tentatively 8pm

Anthropogenic Climate Change Theory and Busted Sod

Gore's Inconvenient 9/11 Truth

The Real Al Gore (An attack from the left!)

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

30 posted on 10/20/2007 7:41:21 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

This thing is over.

Hillary wins in a blow out, and we are all in for a serious dose of pain.

It is so very maddening.


31 posted on 10/20/2007 7:54:16 PM PDT by Radix (When I became a man, I put away childish things)
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To: neverdem

Short answe......................NO!


32 posted on 10/20/2007 8:06:04 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: neverdem
Jill interviewed me for an hour a few months ago and did a hitpiece on Hillary haters. Here is today's communication.


33 posted on 10/20/2007 8:06:29 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: neverdem

Testing. Copyright Uncle Miltie.

34 posted on 10/20/2007 8:38:37 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mitt bit the apple. Hillary will stuff it down your throat!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 10/20/2007 9:24:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
Poll finds Thompson appeals to churchgoers

Thompson may emerge as the savior of the Republican Party but, in his early campaign so far, he has stumbled several times. Whether he can recover remains yet to be seen. Support for Thompson seems to be wavering as the result of his early missteps. Clearly, he can't afford any more miscues if he is to become the GOP nominee.

36 posted on 10/20/2007 9:37:08 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Thompson may emerge as the savior of the Republican Party but, in his early campaign so far, he has stumbled several times.

What are these missteps? He doesn't have a rip roaring speaking style, and he still believes in states rights about marriage?

37 posted on 10/20/2007 9:57:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: DustyMoment
From my perspective I don't really see Fred as stumbling. Fred is being Fred and he is letting us know who and what he is about. This comes out in all the various clips I have seen of him

Of course the media wants to force a candidate into the mold of a hollywood entrance, and then sprint away in the horse race and if they don’t hew to that line then the msm labels them as a failure.

As dark as it looks with hilary seemingly ordained, I see some strength and wisdom in our crop of repubs (with all their failings), and I don’t think they will cannabise each other like hrc will do to her opponents. I also think that our guys will save their heaviest guns for the end-game against her. And no matter who our nominee is, our Potus/cabinet will look hugely better than hers.

38 posted on 10/21/2007 4:34:54 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

I sure hope she does win. The Republican party is just a bunch of liberals and RINOs. I’m so sick of politicians who blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

Yeah, nothing daunts a bunch of leftists like a disunified opposition. They are really intimidated by that.

Thanks neverdem.


39 posted on 10/21/2007 4:49:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem
As evil, conniving, backstabbing, and ruthless as she is, you’d better believe she can win.
40 posted on 10/21/2007 4:51:34 AM PDT by MissEdie (On the Sixth Day God created Spurrier)
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To: Waco
hillary should be in the same prison as spitzer.

Jail is where most Democrat politicians belong. Democrats are rotten to the core. They believe they're above the law. Iowa Democrats have a huge corruption problem.

41 posted on 10/21/2007 4:54:50 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Democrats--Al Qaeda's best friends)
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To: DustyMoment
So far, the Republicans have yet (still IMO) to field a candidate with sufficient vision and appeal to attract the majority of the conservative base. Withe the likes of Lou Dobbs threatening to try to sway his followers to vote 3rd party should a Giuliani, Romney, or McCain become the GOP nominee, we could well face another 1992 election when Perot returned to the campaign trail (after pulling out) to split the conservative vote and hand the WH to the Clintons. He returned in 1996 against an ineffective (but well-respected) Bob Dole to do it again!!

The very idea of participating in getting history to repeat itself by electing another Clinton is absurd. Surely, we learned something the first time. Thanks, Ross, and all those who voted for him.

42 posted on 10/21/2007 4:58:24 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Democrats--Al Qaeda's best friends)
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To: neverdem

Can the U.S. survive if another liberal gets into office - keys to the country, in her pocket once she gets elected, the terrorists will dance in the streets, and criminal intent will grow deeper, because liberals offer less initiative, and are weak on foreign policy.

In addition, the left will find a way to “bolster” social security, so hide your money in your mattresses and go to gold, because the left will attempt to find a way to “steal” or as they adroitly put it, “liberate” money from the wealthy.

Well... as Mr. Bill , whom I call uncle Bill, because he is a dork, has made it so that anybody making over $53,000 a year are wealthy.

Samuel L. Jackson quote from Jurassic Park: “Hold on to your butts!”


43 posted on 10/21/2007 2:10:54 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: neverdem

And how about the fact that Hillary! is all for the “re-distribution of wealth” (i.e. euphemism for communism)?! This current “Child Insurance” plan is incrementally taking us towards that path.


44 posted on 10/21/2007 4:22:57 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The very idea of participating in getting history to repeat itself by electing another Clinton is absurd. Surely, we learned something the first time.

I would like to agree with you, but I think that the voters are so frustrated with the current state of affairs of both political parties that anything can happen. The low opinion ratings of the current Democrat-controlled Congress coupled with the bitter taste that many of us still have from the Republican betrayal of their principles leaves the door wide open for almost anything to happen.

As far as learning something from the 8 years of scandal and corruption that Clinton I brought, I'm not convinced. Too many people are still drooling for Clinton II to return and show the Republicans a thing or two. Interestingly enough, the Dems are still running against Bush instead of formulating new plans and a new vision for America that excites voters. If we keep our own counsel, we can avoid spilling the beans and letting them discover that Bush isn't running - Rudy, John, Mitt, Fred, Duncan, Mike and a few others are!!

But, that's OUR little secret!

Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!

45 posted on 10/21/2007 5:29:23 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
Well... as Mr. Bill , whom I call uncle Bill, because he is a dork, has made it so that anybody making over $53,000 a year are wealthy.

Who's that, Clinton, and do you have a link?

46 posted on 10/21/2007 5:45:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping.


47 posted on 10/21/2007 9:18:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (When it makes you mad -- "ping & grrrr" -- Freeper:pandoraou812)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
She can definitely win,minorities,women and the Jewish vote will go to Hillary.Rudy is the only one that can beat her because he can get the independent vote.
48 posted on 10/22/2007 12:56:02 AM PDT by patriciamary (9)
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To: DustyMoment
Your right,Look at 06 elections and the results,I guess many want more Pelosi/Reed government.
49 posted on 10/22/2007 12:59:15 AM PDT by patriciamary (9)
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To: Radix

I’m voting for Rudy because he can beat her.conservatives better wake up.


50 posted on 10/22/2007 1:01:38 AM PDT by patriciamary (9)
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