Skip to comments.Who Owns the GOP?
Posted on 10/20/2007 7:28:15 PM PDT by Delacon
David Brooks and Dean Barnett both tackle Huckabee's gradual rise today, and both see a lot of promise: Brooks writes that whereas "each of the top-tier candidates makes certain parts of the party uncomfortable ... Huckabee is the one candidate acceptable to all factions," while Barnett acknowledges that the Huck's "taxing and spending in Arkansas may not be every conservative's ideal," but suggests that he "probably has fewer policy skeletons in his closet than anyone else in the field."
I dunno - as Matt says, taxing and spending are a pretty big deal in the GOP, and it's clear that Huckabee wouldn't be acceptable to this particular faction, at the very least. Throw in his wetness on immigration and his various rhetorical forays toward a "conservatism of the heart" on trade and inequality and so forth, and you have a candidate with as many deviations from GOP orthodoxy as John McCain and Fred Thompson, certainly, if not Giuliani and Romney (both of whom have enough skeletons to fill the whole house).
Which is why the current Republican race is so interesting - it's a laboratory, in a sense, for determining which interest groups really have clout in the GOP primaries, and which issues really excite the faithful. If Rudy Giuliani wins the nomination, it will tell us a lot about the real influence (or lack thereof) of folks like James Dobson; if John McCain gets the nod, we'll know that immigration and (to a lesser extent) campaign-finance reform are more important to activists than to actual voters; if Huckabee becomes a significent spoiler (or, though it's much more unlikely, an actual contender) then we'll know the Club for Growth doesn't have quite as much clout
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Huckabee is a “populist” who wants to be everything to everyone.
Or more to the point, he wants to GIVE something to everyone - and he’s going to ask ME to pay for it!
“Or more to the point, he wants to GIVE something to everyone - and hes going to ask ME to pay for it!”
Gosh, aren’t you talking about Hillary? ;)
Which is why the current Republican race is so interesting - it's a laboratory, in a sense, for determining which interest groups really have clout in the GOP primaries, and which issues really excite the faithful. If Rudy Giuliani wins the nomination, it will tell us a lot about the real influence (or lack thereof) of folks like James Dobson; if John McCain gets the nod, we'll know that immigration and (to a lesser extent) campaign-finance reform are more important to activists than to actual voters; if Huckabee becomes a significent spoiler (or, though it's much more unlikely, an actual contender) then we'll know the Club for Growth doesn't have quite as much clout as most people, left and right, assume to be the case. And if Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney wins, it will reinforce the notion that all of the various issues and interest groups jostling in the GOP tent really are a package deal, and that the best way to take the nomination, now and forever, is to make sure you've checked all your boxes, even if it means flip-flopping like crazy.
Truly this primary season is a barometer recording the strengths and weaknesses of the right, the GOP and conservative leaders.
Dear Brooks and Barnett: Huckabee will never ever ever be okay...he is too pro amnesty, would like it to be illegal to just come on in one and all, and have everything Americans have worked for taken away to give to them.
Huckabee, another nice guy, no freaking way he can win the presidency.... the illegal problem is way too serious AND WE AREN’T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Huckabee has said some things about amnesty that frankly scare me. I want the illegal invasion stopped, and I want the illegals already here unemployed and ineligible for benefits.
I once thought it belonged to conservative Republicans. Not so sure now. At a minimum, it's teetering on the precipice. The chances it's going over the side are greater than I've ever seen them.
Huckabee wants to be such a good Christian that he doesn’t let anyone else be one.
Plus he’s a nanny-stater, same as the Clintons. Must be something in the Arkansas water. No thanks.
Huckabee is the candidate who is the most like GW Bush, IMO. And that is not a compliment. Of course, most of the field is even worse.
Masterblaster owns the GOP.
The buzz on Huckabee started about 48 hrs ago. The media started hitting his name ever so dligently. Now the MSM is completing its buzz. Ridiculous- he’s not going anywhere.
“Who Owns the GOP?”
I do believe that is what the current fight between conservatives and whoever it is backing Rudy is going to decide.
Not true, he is not acceptable to everyone. He is on board with MANY socialist policies, including taxing people for the common good. And yes, he expects us to pay for it.
Note to Huckabee, the Lord did tell us to help the poor, and we do, until folks like you take it from us, thus mandatory giving is the law, and we no longer have it to give ourselves. Charity works best when it is done voluntarily, not taken by mandate by the government. The government taken money never reaches the needed hands either.
OK lets see. we hate Rudy, McCain and Mitt. Tancredo and Hunter are done, with or without the fork.
Who does that leave? Does that mean you’ll turn traitor and
leave the Oval Office door open for That Woman?
The GOP continues on it’s chosen path at it’s own peril.
“Note to Huckabee, the Lord did tell us to help the poor, and we do, until folks like you take it from us, thus mandatory giving is the law, and we no longer have it to give ourselves. Charity works best when it is done voluntarily, not taken by mandate by the government. The government taken money never reaches the needed hands either.”
“A coerced virtue is no virtue at all.” Dinesh DSouza or Frank Meyer. I can’t remember which.
Throw in his wetness on immigration
***That’s kinda funny.
Who are these idiots kidding. They are really trying to put the screws to Americans. Really trying to make us mad with all of these stories trying to insinuate that our own people are turning on us. Keep using that Chinese brainwashing guys because when the rubber finally meets the road; you guys are going to be in for a big surprise. You will be the first to go.
In other words; your guys will turn on you. Think about it; it’s not hard to figure that one out.
I dunno who owns the GOP, but they couldn’t be any worse than the Kos, MoveOn, Code Pink, Soros traitors that own the RATS.
Kudoes to the Atlantic but I think it’s much, much more interesting to explore for bones and skeletons in the Dim candidate closets. After all, there are so many more of them to pause over and much more elaborate scheming. By contrast the GOP is just dull.
Let’s consider the Clinton death list for example; I’m sure the Atlantic blanches at the thought, but there are plenty of entrees to munch on there, enough for a veritable feast of investigating, not that the Atlantic has any interest.
I don't think this is at all true -- Huckabee has a poor record across the entire small-government spectrum, from taxes and spending to nanny-state laws and endorsement of big federal government programs. I will never vote for Huckabee; I'm interested in seeing what other small-government conservatives think about this.
Which is why the current Republican race is so interesting - it's a laboratory, in a sense, for determining which interest groups really have clout in the GOP primaries, and which issues really excite the faithful.
This is exactly right, which is why the choice of nominee will affect the overall direction of the GOP long past 2008 -- especially if that nominee wins.
“I don’t think this is at all true — Huckabee has a poor record across the entire small-government spectrum, from taxes and spending to nanny-state laws and endorsement of big federal government programs. I will never vote for Huckabee; I’m interested in seeing what other small-government conservatives think about this.”
I think the writer was agreeing with you on this. As for me, Huck is a repeat of all the bad things of the Bush presidency. Immigration, spending, big government, and yes religious conservatism(which isn’t bad) handled badly at a national level.
“This is exactly right, which is why the choice of nominee will affect the overall direction of the GOP long past 2008 — especially if that nominee wins.”
Not if 06 is any indication. I see no realignment. Unless the republican party gets truly wiped out, it will be more of the same from both parties. If the republican party gets wiped out, what will happen is democrats will run the country into the ground as they did in the 70s. Look for a republican controlled govt in say 2020.
Right. Why can’t the one rising be Duncan Hunter? He’s the one we need. Huckleberry is a squish on a lot of key issues.
LOL. If so, Rich, I am just waiting to get to that point in the primary where “two man enter...one man leave”.
“Right. Why cant the one rising be Duncan Hunter? Hes the one we need.”
Well if we are going to whine, why not about Tancredo who has actually been on the rise recently. :)
Huckabee supports illegals. I could never vote for him.
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And throw in a retroactive de-citizenship of “anchor babies”.
Huckabee is a pro amnesty.
“I once thought it belonged to conservative Republicans. Not so sure now. “
Try Wall Street and global business. The last time conservatives were valued was during Reagan.
I’m afraid you’re right.
Sadly, you may be right. The fact that those idjits pushed amnesty against the will of the people, and now continue to try to push it piecemeal, says that they're not listening.
On the other hand, GOP strategists with no personal convictions would love it if they could win with, say, a pro-abortion or anti-gun politician. Strategically, that would allow our strategiests to nullify two potent donk issues -- so I do think it's likely we would see realignment there in the form of many more future pro-abortion and anti-gun GOP candidates.
Here is a good analysis - - mass media vs blogosphere vs website visits - - from a conservative website/writer:
(Just do a quick flypast over the Dems data and scroll down to the GOP!)
The results are pretty surprising and are presented in a visually brilliant graphic!
Another RINO Establishement love letter for GW Bush lite.
I trust the word of the Club for Growth who is more often than not spot on. Huckabee is a tax and spender. No thanks.
> > > > Who Owns the GOP?
> > I do believe that is what the current fight between conservatives and whoever it is backing Rudy is going to decide.
Strategy ideas, anyone? I will post some of mine in the near future.
First, put Newt in and get issues under control and ready for 2008.
The RNC must be redesigned and become an offensive organization. It should become sleeker, more representative, and more agile.
The election process for the GOP Chairman should change from the state representatives to direct vote by party members. This will prevent the lame candidates we have been forced to tolerate; it’s too important of a job.
An official culture inside the RNC must be developed. The national party should take lessons from the Texas GOP on how they outline their beliefs, such as America is a Christian nation granting freedom of religion to all others.
The RNC should hold bi yearly retreats for all federal party representatives to discuss business, Republican principles, and how to improve Conservatism; paid through fund raising. Educate politicians on party issues and political maneuvering.
Create effective think tanks to deal with challenges, such as how does the party overcome the bias of the media.
Develop a state of the art PR machine to fight the Dems, media, and keep the movement on the offensive. If you communication the message, it will win.
Encourage the relationship between the GOP and talk radio. Hold yearly meetings with talk radio hosts.
Force RINOs out by defining what a Republican stands for. Discipline Rinos by cutting off money and officially asking RINOs to leave the party. Bush’s loss of confidence began IMO when he tried to develop a party culture and Jeffords jumped ship. Jeffords should have been forced out. A majority founded by RINOs is a house built on sand.
Examine the financial structure of the RNC, reorganize to free up money to attract talent in running the organization. Whoever produces successfully keeps their job.
Have yearly town hall conventions to discuss the movement and party, open to all party members.
Educate the public about what it means to be an American and what their rights are.
Who owns the GOP?
It’s an interesting question.
One group that might be said to own it is the party pros—long time policians, staffers, advisers, the RNC, and so forth. They are the insiders who run the show and set the policies and decide which candidates to fund.
Another group that partly owns it is the big contributors and lobbyists, who regretably are largely country-clubbers. They give the big bucks, and without their support and consent it’s hard for a candidate to make his way.
Another group that has a claim to own it is the Republican voters. They tend to be more conservative than the rich donors, and when the pros and donors ignore them or kick them in the face, then they stay home and allow the Democrats to win. Is that their fault, or is it the fault of the pros who just kicked them in the face? Maybe a little of both.
It’s pretty hard for a party to succeed unless all three groups respect one another or at least agree to work with one another. For instance, the voters demanded many years ago that the party should pass a pro-life plank, but the pros and the donors recurrently talk about Big Tents, back RINOs, and try to undermine that plank. It’s self destructive behavior, because they are undercutting their own power base, but they just can’t seem to help it.
There’s no way for Republicans or conservatives to win unless they agree to work together and support each others’ bottom lines. As insiders, the pros and the donors are always in a position to pull a fast one, and they often do. But then everyone pays for it, as we saw in the 2006 election. The conservatives could pull out and start a new party, but that would take time, and the new party would soon have the same problems as the old one. It’s human nature. So, better to work together, if we can.
And that means, among other things, respect life, respect family, respect the Constitution, uphold the law justly, and cut back on taxes and spending. Although not all Freepers may agree, it all begins with respect for life, which is the bottom line, the first of all constitutional rights, the one thing that can’t be compromised.
TaxhikeMike is NOT acceptable.