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Live Updating Thread: 2007 Southern California Firestorms
LA Times ^ | 9:35 AM PDT, October 21, 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/21/2007 9:48:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

UPDATE: The city of Malibu is advising residents in Puerco Canyon to begin evacuating due to a wildfire driven by powerful winds. This area is north of Pacific Coast Highway and about 1 mile west of Pepperdine University. Residents along the beach on Malibu Road may soon be evacuated. Pacific Coast Highway is closed between Kanan-Dume Road and Topanga Canyon. Residents are advised to head to the west. Evacuation centers are being set up in the Zuma Beach area.

A wildfire driven by powerful winds in the Malibu Hills this morning threatened a university, destroyed at least one home and forced the evacuation of hundreds more, authorities said.

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To: spectr17

11:18PM 51; GET A HOLD OF CP6 AND ADV NO EMERG VEH S NB ON THE 67 , BRINGING VEH S W/ WAY SB
11:00PM ^THE NEW GATHERING LOCATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS: MIRA MESA HIGH SCHOOL, POWAY HIGH SCHOOL IS FULL, ALL EVACUEES ARE ASKE DTO GO TO MIRA MESA HIGH SCHOOL


1,151 posted on 10/21/2007 11:35:04 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Sleep well and sleep safe, BG. Prayers extended for all.


1,152 posted on 10/21/2007 11:41:45 PM PDT by bd476
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

30 MPH winds in Ramona, gusts into the 50’s


1,153 posted on 10/21/2007 11:43:09 PM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: mfccinsd

Now a fire in the Pauma reservation area...evacuations beginning now (this is still San Diego area)


1,154 posted on 10/21/2007 11:46:02 PM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: CAluvdubya
The Wild Animal Park is a real Treasure...I pray no harm comes to the Park and the animals....
1,155 posted on 10/21/2007 11:46:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mfccinsd

Not good..


1,156 posted on 10/21/2007 11:46:58 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Brad's Gramma; bd476

Nite all...I am gonna dream about that Limo....


1,157 posted on 10/21/2007 11:48:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Fox news feed was showing several small structures now burning from the air


1,158 posted on 10/21/2007 11:49:11 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: mfccinsd

Oh my...This just might surpass the Cedar fire.


1,159 posted on 10/21/2007 11:49:31 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Goodnight Ernest. Thanks for starting this thread and for all the updates. Sleep well!


1,160 posted on 10/22/2007 12:04:04 AM PDT by bd476
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To: mfccinsd; Milwaukee_Guy
One more thing....:

One dead, 17 injured in East County wildfire

***********************EXCERPT*********************

By Karen Kucher
UNION-TRIBUNE BREAKING NEWS TEAM

8:40 p.m. October 21, 2007

POTRERO – One person was killed and at least 17 people, including four firefighters, were injured Sunday as the Harris fire in East County burned at least 14,000 acres, state fire officials said.

Several structures were burned, although an exact number was not released.

Shortly before 7 p.m., Cal Fire said that the Harris fire had two fronts. The southern head was burning past Barrett Lake Road south of state Route 94, and the northern head was burning toward Mother Grundy peak. It was 5 percent contained, officials said.

The blaze began about 9:30 a.m. east of Harris Ranch Road and north of state Route 94, about 70 miles east of San Diego. The cause is under investigation.

One structure was destroyed by noon, and officials ordered the evacuation of 100 homes and other structures on Potrero Park Road to the south and the area north of state Route 94, west of Harris Ranch Road and east of Potrero Valley Road.

By 4:30 p.m., the fire had moved from Potrero toward Dulzura. Cal Fire Capt. Matt Streck said he had seen several homes that had been destroyed.

“We are having a hard time staying ahead of it,” Streck told KGTV, Channel 10.

By 5:30 p.m., five helicopters, five air tankers, 45 engines and about 300 firefighters were battling the blaze, Cal Fire spokeswoman Audrey Hagen said.

Four firefighters – three men and a woman – were injured when their engine was engulfed by flames, Cal Fire officials said about 2 p.m. The location and time of the incident was not immediately available. A civilian was also burned.

Officials said the victims were flown to the burn center at UCSD Medical Center. Of the five victims, two were being treated in the burn center, two were in intensive care and one was in the emergency room, a hospital spokeswoman said.

About 5 p.m., sheriff's Lt. Phil Brust said that 698 East County residents in the fire's path had received reverse-911 calls telling them to prepare to evacuate. The notification area is 425 square miles and encompasses the area from Barrett Lake south to the U.S.-Mexico border and from state Route 94 and Emery Road west to Otay Mountain Truck Trail.


1,161 posted on 10/22/2007 12:05:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: CAluvdubya
Here is a link to a Witch Fire Perimeter map (San Diego). The town to the lower left is Ramone and is under a complete evacuation order. Witch Fire Perimeter pdf map link (11 pm pst) from Fox 6 San Diego
1,162 posted on 10/22/2007 12:06:24 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: All
The notification area is 425 square miles

Just damn!

1,163 posted on 10/22/2007 12:07:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good news for those in the Ramona area. The Witch/Ramona fire is now the number 1 priority of fires in the state, so they are hopeful that will speed up resources to prevent another Cedar fire type situation.

The way the Witch fire was splitting around Ramona was looking very similar to the Cedar, with one ‘fork’ heading down towards Poway/52 (read the Scripps Ranch area potentially being threatened depending on what happened).


1,164 posted on 10/22/2007 12:09:01 AM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: justa-hairyape

See map just above in my post.


1,165 posted on 10/22/2007 12:09:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

These fires could consume a 1000 sq miles before this is over....


1,166 posted on 10/22/2007 12:10:21 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Well...at least affect that many square miles...


1,167 posted on 10/22/2007 12:11:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mfccinsd

I have got to go....nite!


1,168 posted on 10/22/2007 12:13:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mfccinsd

The Witch Creek fire is now down into the San Diego River bed, where Cedar was, and is backing up Eagle Peak at the moment, also similar to Cedar. The big difference is that we didn’t have the long delay while the Feds screwed around this time. CalFire and the feds both jumped on this thing right away, and the resource orders went in early. We’re now getting considerable new resources and they’re staged on the West side. There’ll be a lot more coming in over night. It’s still a biggie with all the wind-driven fire problems, but we’re better off than we were at this stage in Cedar.


1,169 posted on 10/22/2007 12:19:34 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: mfccinsd
Correct, they’ve turned both 78 and 67 into one way only out of Ramona.

Advisory evacuations for NE Poway AND parts of Escondido (San Pasqual Valley area primarily, it sounds like) so far.


I know that 78 is a very narrow mountain road with sharp curves. I assume that 67 is no better. I'm very concerned for Ramona--but obviously, they have to get people out early, or they won't be getting them out at all. Also, 78 runs through the San Pasqual Valley, so I'd think that if they didn't evacuate Ramona early, people might be trapped at the bottom of the mountain.

What's the situation regarding the Wild Animal Park?
1,170 posted on 10/22/2007 12:27:58 AM PDT by Mariebl
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
High potential the “Witch Fire” may enter the CITY LIMITS OF SAN DIEGO!

Well, that's not quite as bad as it sounds, because the San Diego city limits stretch up into the San Pasqual valley, right east of Escondido. So, basically, that's a repetition of the 'evacuate parts of Escondido' news that we've already heard.
1,171 posted on 10/22/2007 12:34:38 AM PDT by Mariebl
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To: Mariebl
What's the situation regarding the Wild Animal Park?

There's not a lot of fuel around it, so it should be smoky, but ok.

1,172 posted on 10/22/2007 12:37:50 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: All

12:04AM 21C; 1097 AT THE PAUMA CASINO
11:37PM PER CZP3 ; THERE IS A FIRE IN PAUMA VALLEY, PAUMA RESERVATION RD, STARTING EVACUATIONS NOW


1,173 posted on 10/22/2007 12:37:54 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Animals should be OK - many of them evolved in habits subject to wildfire, like the African savannas.

I’m a member of the San Diego Zoo. IIRC the Paradise fire in 2003 threatened the Wild Animal Park. One of the CDF battalion chiefs fighting the fire in the vicinity asked the zoo staff what the fire fighters needed to do to protect the animals. The zoo staff basically told CDF that they would leave the gates open to the fireproof concrete shelters and pens that are scattered throughout the park. The animals had enough sense to go to these places to escape the fire.

1,174 posted on 10/22/2007 1:00:59 AM PDT by Strzelec
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To: Strzelec
The animals had enough sense to go to these places to escape the fire.

And hopefully all of us ape-like animals will have the sense to evacuate when the order is given. We have fires all over the Southland and have Santa Ana winds forecast for the next two days combined with no humidity and a record dry rainy season.

1,175 posted on 10/22/2007 1:11:53 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I’m with you.

FWIW I’m a volunteer emergency communicator here in San Diego County that just got off my shift. Based on what I’ve been hearing, I can not overstate just how serious this situation is.

Folks west of the Witch Fire area - including Poway, Escondido, Valley Center, Rancho Bernardo, and other locations along I-15 need to monitor the situation very closely. Know your evacuation routes, and be prepared to move quickly if/when the evacuation call comes. BTW, don’t solely rely on the Reverse-911 system - doesn’t work with cell phones, for example.

Nite, all - I have a feeling tomorrow’s going to be a long day.

Prayers for all those affected by the fires tonight...


1,176 posted on 10/22/2007 1:29:46 AM PDT by Strzelec
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To: Strzelec
Nite, all - I have a feeling tomorrow’s going to be a long day.

Thanks for the volunteer work. I am also signing off and trying to get some sleep. Have got that 5 day flu that has been going around. I have a nack of being sick when big news items occur. Had a flu for the last big Malibu fire. Was in Brentwood and was getting worried, but was too sick to do anything about it. Then when OJ made his getaway in his bronco and drove in front of my apartment complex on Sunset, I was passed out with a stomach flu on the couch. Got a feeling tomorrow could be another historic day here in the Southland.

1,177 posted on 10/22/2007 1:37:06 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: All

Live police/fire scanner for the Escondido/Ramona area at the bottom of page:

http://www.scansandiego.net/cgi-bin/index.pl


1,178 posted on 10/22/2007 2:55:20 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (This is "Be an Angel Day", do something nice for someone today.)
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To: justa-hairyape

1,179 posted on 10/22/2007 4:05:17 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
What (locations) are we looking at here?

ML/NJ

1,180 posted on 10/22/2007 4:48:45 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ArmstedFragg

Prayers for you safety, ArmstedFragg.


1,181 posted on 10/22/2007 5:30:17 AM PDT by Mrs.Liberty (Liberalism: Someone craps their pants, and we all have to wear diapers....)
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To: SoCalPol
Parts of Rancho Bernardo and Poway evacuated. My daughter is coming over to our house with her kitties. I figure that if they evacuate our house then at least we will all be together. Hey, maybe we'll head over your way! The downtown seems to be uneffected.

I-15 is closed from Via Rancho Parkway to the 56 (Ted Williams). This is very scary!

1,182 posted on 10/22/2007 5:53:55 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: CAluvdubya

10-22-07 4:15 a.m. The City of Poway has declared a local emergency and activated their Emergency Operations Center . The Witch fire has expanded to the North East section of the City. All residents east of Espola Road From Lake Poway Road through Valle Verde Road have been asked to evacuate immediately. This includes the High Valley , Bridlewood Country Estates, Stoneridge, Heritage, Old Coach and Old Winery neighborhoods. Residents are being notified by telephone through the Reverse 9-1-1 System. The City of Poway has posted an emergency information online at www.poway.org. An emergency shelter has been established at the Poway Community Center located at 13094 Civic Center Drive . Large Animals can be brought to the Poway Valley Riders Association Arena, also known as the Poway Rodeo Grounds, at the corner of Tierra Bonita Road and Poway Valley Road . The Poway Fire Department with assistance from neighboring fire agencies is working to control the fire. All schools in the Poway Unified School District will be closed today

http://www.sdcountyemergency.com/


1,183 posted on 10/22/2007 6:27:59 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: CAluvdubya

More evacuations being announced in the San Diego area via NBC San Diego, news conference telling people to pack their cars even if not yet told to evacuate, “dramatically worse than we thought a few hours ago”.


1,184 posted on 10/22/2007 6:28:12 AM PDT by libtoken
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To: CAluvdubya

Oh my!! Just woke up here in Eagle Rock and doing a catch up on all the fires!!. My niece lives in Poway. Yikes. This doesn’t look good this morning.


1,185 posted on 10/22/2007 6:32:01 AM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; BurbankKarl
Looks like there is a new fire:

Los Angeles Communications Center

0400 6:20AM Structure or Grass Fire
LAKE HUGHES RD AT DRY GULCH RD Newhall

Incident: 0400 Type: Structure or Grass Fire Location:

LAKE HUGHES RD AT DRY GULCH RD

info as of: 10/22/2007 6:26:38 AM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS

6:21AM 1039 LACOFD 82 --
6:21AM UNK IF RELATED TO OTHER FIRE LOGS
6:20AM VISUAL OF FIRE UP THE CANYON

1,186 posted on 10/22/2007 6:32:46 AM PDT by bd476
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To: CAluvdubya

(((Hugs)))We will be praying today.


1,187 posted on 10/22/2007 6:34:52 AM PDT by fatima
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Brad's Gramma

Anywhere we can get a run down on all the fires? Watching local TV but they are just focusing on SD County fires right now.


1,188 posted on 10/22/2007 6:37:24 AM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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Canyon Country Update:

Incident: 0330 Type: Location: info as of: 10/22/2007 6:37:05 AM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS

6:36AM PLS ADVS LACORDS TO ACTIVATE SIGN BOARDS ON SAN FRANCISQUITO AND BOUQUET RE CLOSURE

6:36AM E74 BATTALION CHIEF 4 REQ CLOSURE FRANCISQUITO TO LOWRIDGE TO SPUNKY

RESPONDING OFFICERS STATUS

5:38AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:38AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:38AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:38AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:42AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:44AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:45AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:48AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:55AM CHP Unit On Scene
5:57AM CHP Unit On Scene
6:02AM CHP Unit On Scene
6:03AM CHP Unit Enroute
6:14AM CHP Unit Enroute
6:35AM CHP Unit On Scene


1,189 posted on 10/22/2007 6:38:01 AM PDT by bd476
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To: ml/nj

It’s the Santiago fire seen from Quail Hill
http://tinyurl.com/24we3q


1,190 posted on 10/22/2007 6:39:06 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I watched a bit of this coverage on FOX this weekend and it made me sick.

CELEBRITY HOMES fercryingoutloud!
Come On!
The homes of CELEBRITIES!!!!

...doesn’t everyone know that they are MUCH more important than ordinary citizen’s homes?

make me puke.


1,191 posted on 10/22/2007 6:56:47 AM PDT by woollyone (tazers are the 21st century version of the rusty bed frame, car battery, transformer & clamps)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Not sure what started this fire, but the fire in San Diego was started by a 30’s something ‘hunter’ who lived with his parents, who got silly drunk and dehydrated out in the woods and started a ‘signal fire’ in condition red fire alert status with Santa Anna winds after being ‘lost’ less than one full afternoon in one of the most densely populated regions in the U.S.A..

All that lame’o had to do was start walking downhill to find a stream that would find a river that would flow into the Ocean. Somewhere along the way he would run into people and be ‘rescued’; but his overweight fat ass didn’t feel like walking so he started a ‘signal fire’ that cost billions of dollars in damages.

What a Dumbski.

1,192 posted on 10/22/2007 7:01:04 AM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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To: All

Witch Fire Reports

Incident: 0027 Type: Location: info as of: 10/22/2007 7:10:35 AM
ADDITIONAL DETAILS

7:02AM K32, NEGATIVE TRAFFIC AT ARCHIE MOORE AT HIGHLAND VALLEY
7:00AM PER 108-16; STA M HAS A CLOSURE ON WCC AT WILLOW
6:56AM REF REQ FROM FD, THEY JUST NEED ASSISTANCE GETTING THEIR FIRE CREWS DOWN HIGHLAND VALLEY
6:54AM 95 ENRT TO HIGHLAND VALLEY RD
6:52AM 1039 SDG&E - COPIES LINE 63
6:44AM 1039 CDF REF TELEPHONE POLE
6:44AM ADV FD TELEPHONE POLE ON FIRE AND WILL MOST LIKELY FALL OVER, OLD JULIAN 1/2 JEO 3RD
6:42AM K4;FIRE IS UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY 1/4 MI FM 78/HAVERFORD IS CLOSE TO RDWY
6:40AM FD ENRT TO 16103 EAGLE CREST RD, THEY HAVE PEOPLE TRAPPED IN RESIDENCE, FIRE UNITS RESPONDING DOWN HIGHLAND VALLEY RD IF WE HAVE UNIT AVAIL TO ASSIST THEM
6:17AM 1039 108-S6, WCB REF K13 POST
6:16AM K13 DOESN T NEED RELIEVED, FIRE IS FAST APPROACHING HIGHLAND VALLEY AT EAGLE CREST
6:16AM SDSO ADV REF HIGHLAND VALLEY, THEY MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT EARLIER ON EAGLES CREST, DIDNT SEE ANYONE COME OUT, THEY ARE UNABLE TO RETURN FIRE IS TOO CLOSE
6:08AM K21; INFO FOR UNITS ON POWAY RD, GRN FORD XPL JUST BLEW THRU THE CLOSURE 40 MPH, DRIVER WMA
5:29AM 1039 STA M
4:55AM LATE ENTRY 1039 SDG & E
4:51AM 95 ADV FIRE IS NOW ALONG THE FRWY AT HIGHLAND VALLEY
4:23AM K2 STILL FIRE ON BOTH SIDES LINES STILL DOWN ABT 2 INCHES FD ADV THAT IT POSSIBLE
4:19AM K4 - CAN SEE FIRE APPROACHING WILL BREAK DOWN POST AND MOVE TO SAFER LOCATION


1,194 posted on 10/22/2007 7:12:55 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Brad's Gramma; BurbankKarl
Orange County Update and Press Conference:

(I transcribed this from TV Channel 7 KABC News.
There were a couple of audio drop-outs)

Worried about fire jumping 241 Road

Orange County Fire Authority have done tremendous job throughout night.

The following roads, 241, 261, 133 were closed, then reopened then closed again.

261 is closed
241 NB is closed through Portola
Irvine Blvd. b/w Alton and Jeffrey is closed

714-628-7085 phone number for road closures

There are no current new evacuation orders.
However, there are still some ongoing mandatory evacuations.
There have also been some voluntary evacuations recommended.

Plan to have Orange County residents prepared:

Be Ready OC

1. Have all your valuables ready to go, including
a) Personal documents
b) Personal photos
c) Passports

2. For those of you who want to go look at the area, look around, watch the firefighters, take photos, please do not go.

This is a challenging fire because of drought conditions and wind. CHP turned traffic around on toll road got commuters off toll road. Sheriff Dept. moved traffic off the streets in the Tustin, in Northwood area.

We couldn't have done this well without help from them and cooperation from State and Federal government.

Cause of fire: Sad to report that this is an arson fire.

There were three separate starts, two on one side of road and one on the other side of the road.

Anything or anyone you suspect, think you know, anything at all please call the Arson Tip Line.

Arson Tip Line: 1-800-540-8282

1,195 posted on 10/22/2007 7:17:38 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Prayers for all in harm’s way.


1,196 posted on 10/22/2007 7:25:30 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

looks like some more threatened homes in Malibu, per channel 2.


1,197 posted on 10/22/2007 7:33:56 AM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: bd476

I have lots of clients in that area I was due to work in northwood today had truck loaded ready to go got a call from her and said she and half her neighborhood evac late last nite so today is a scrub


1,198 posted on 10/22/2007 7:36:05 AM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: woollyone

But now the fires are erupting in other, ordinary people’s homes.

My prayers for all, celebs and non-celebs alike. I just want people to be safe.


1,199 posted on 10/22/2007 7:36:26 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: allmendream

Power lines this time. It’s a regular routine when the winds come up.


1,200 posted on 10/22/2007 7:37:19 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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