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Live Updating Thread: 2007 Southern California Firestorms
LA Times ^ | 9:35 AM PDT, October 21, 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/21/2007 9:48:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

UPDATE: The city of Malibu is advising residents in Puerco Canyon to begin evacuating due to a wildfire driven by powerful winds. This area is north of Pacific Coast Highway and about 1 mile west of Pepperdine University. Residents along the beach on Malibu Road may soon be evacuated. Pacific Coast Highway is closed between Kanan-Dume Road and Topanga Canyon. Residents are advised to head to the west. Evacuation centers are being set up in the Zuma Beach area.

A wildfire driven by powerful winds in the Malibu Hills this morning threatened a university, destroyed at least one home and forced the evacuation of hundreds more, authorities said.

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To: BurbankKarl

That is why they would not let residents back in to Bouquet Canyon. I saw Eric Spillman interviewing some residents at the blockade, they wanted to get back in to water their horses, check their homes, etc....


1,301 posted on 10/22/2007 11:21:28 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The smoke we have in Rancho Cucamonga is coming from the Arrowhead Lake fires up on the Rim of the World. Hard to believe that since usually the smoke from the mountains travels high up into the atmosphere. The Santa Ana’s here are blowing as fast as they ever do. The smoke from the Rim is coming down the mountain with the Santa Ana winds and then traveling just above our heads here in Rancho. Gonna be almost impossible for them to handle a fire up in those mountains right now with the resources spread so thin. Traveled along Route 66 and they are piles of dirt collecting on the road deposited by the winds. Many small trees down. Gonna be living under the smoke from the Rim for a few days.
1,302 posted on 10/22/2007 11:27:06 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: La Enchiladita
My brother's house in Rancho Santa Fe is threatened, and he is on business in Oregon. Luckily he had a house/dog sitter to get his pooch out of the area. His ex-wife's house to the east has burned, if I understood his garbled phone message.

This really sucks, that is some beautiful land and houses around there. I used to live just north of the 56 highway, looks like they would have moved me out with this evacuation.........

1,303 posted on 10/22/2007 11:29:10 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: La Enchiladita

new start in City of LA


1,304 posted on 10/22/2007 11:33:18 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

“Well, the houses they save in this firestorm will get wiped out by the mudflows during the rains. Its like dejavu all over again...1993?”

That’s exactly what my husband said. All that loosened earth will cause mud slides.

Prayers for all the folks in that region. I just spoke with someone in San Diego and she said the fires are twenty minutes away from her location and they may have to leave their office.


1,305 posted on 10/22/2007 11:38:24 AM PDT by bunches (Irish people enjoy whimsical humor)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Malibu fire still out of control!


1,306 posted on 10/22/2007 11:42:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: BurbankKarl; bd476

I’m seeing Malibu and Irvine on TV... will stand by for more re City of L.A....

Thanks, Karl.


1,307 posted on 10/22/2007 11:42:56 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: doorgunner69

I pray your brother’s house can be saved, doorgunner69.


1,308 posted on 10/22/2007 11:44:06 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita

This is simply unreal. Every time I come back here, another fire has started, or more people are being evac’d.

Adding arson to the mix really boggles the mind.

These firefighters must be worn to the bone..expect you’ll be getting reinforcments from all over the country.


1,309 posted on 10/22/2007 11:44:32 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: justa-hairyape
There is a thread going on that fire:

Butler II Fire Restarts ("Hundreds of homes are going to burn today.")
The Daily Bulletin ^ | 10/22/2007 | Stacia Glenn
Posted on 10/22/2007 9:59:31 AM PDT by Smogger

1,310 posted on 10/22/2007 11:51:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: La Enchiladita
Hey La Enchiladita and all CA FReepers.

Our hopes from here are that you are all safe and will stay that way.

Saying small humble prayers for all of you.

Regards,
AR

1,311 posted on 10/22/2007 11:54:36 AM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: jwfiv

Still waiting to hear from you, Julian is usually pretty hard hit during these fires...


1,312 posted on 10/22/2007 12:01:56 PM PDT by Serb5150 (There is nothing so unnatural as the commonplace.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

19,000 Navy families being evacuated..San Diego .. cnn


1,314 posted on 10/22/2007 12:41:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
I just had a terifinng thought what if some sleeper cell was in so cal and ready to hit a major soft target
1,315 posted on 10/22/2007 12:44:41 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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Zero-percent contained

Wildfires rage in Southern Calif.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071022/ap_on_re_us/california_wildfires

SAN DIEGO - Wildfires fanned by fierce desert winds consumed huge swaths of bone-dry Southern California on Monday, burning dozens of buildings and threatening hundreds more from Malibu to San Diego, including a jail, a hospital and nursing homes.

More than a dozen wildfires had engulfed the region, killing at least one person, injuring dozens more and forcing hundreds of thousands of evacuations. Overwhelmed firefighters said they lacked the resources to save many houses.

“We have more houses burning than we have people and engine companies to fight them,” San Diego Fire Captain Lisa Blake said. “A lot of people are going to lose their homes today.”

Nearly 250,000 people were forced to flee in San Diego County alone, where hundreds of patients were being moved by school bus and ambulance from a hospital and nursing homes, sheriff’s spokeswoman Susan Knauss said.

About a dozen blazes erupted over the weekend, feeding on drought-parched land from the high desert to the Pacific Ocean. One person was killed and several injured in a fire near the Mexican border, and dozens of structures have burned across the region.

Warm temperatures and strong winds created “dramatically worse” conditions overnight as flames shot 200 feet high, said Bill Metcalf, chief of the North County Fire Protection District.

In Orange County, a 1,049-inmate jail was being evacuated because of heavy smoke, sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino said. Inmates were being bused to another facility in Irvine.

All San Diego Police Department officers and off duty detectives were ordered to return to work to help with evacuations.

The fires have burned about 100,000 acres, or 156 square miles, in San Diego County, said county Supervisor Ron Roberts. Across the region, 40,000 acres, or 62 square miles, had burned by Sunday.

“This is a major emergency,” Roberts said.

In many cases, crews couldn’t begin to fight the fires because they were too busy rescuing residents who refused to leave, fire officials said.

“They didn’t evacuate at all, or delayed until it was too late,” Metcalf said. “And those folks who are making those decisions are actually stripping fire resources.”

More than a dozen people were being treated at the UC San Diego Medical Center Regional Burn Center for burns and smoke inhalation, including four fighters — three in critical condition, officials said. Some of the injured were hikers, and others may be illegal immigrants.

One blaze devoured more than 5,000 acres in northern San Diego County and forced the evacuation of the community of Ramona, which has a population of about 36,000. Several structures were burned on the edge of town and sheriff’s deputies called residents to alert them the fire was approaching the city, San Diego sheriff’s Lt. Phil Brust said.

“The winds are up, it’s very, very dangerous conditions,” San Diego County spokeswoman Lesley Kirk said. “Fires are popping up all over the place.”

Guardsmen assigned to the border were forced to evacuate one of their barracks and troops were aiding evacuations, said Col. David Baldwin, director of operations for the California National Guard.

“The border is still secure, but agents are evacuating the threatened areas and the Guard is supporting that operation,” Baldwin said.

Qualcomm Stadium, home to the NFL’s Chargers, was added to a growing list of evacuation centers.

The fires were being fueled by stronger than usual Santa Ana winds roaring out of the region’s canyons, scientists said Monday. The powerful, dry winds typically blow between October and February and peak in December.

Typically, Santa Ana conditions last about a day, but the ones that flared up over the weekend were expected to last through Tuesday.

“For it to be this strong for so many days is unusual,” said Stuart Seto, a weather specialist with the National Weather Service in Oxnard.

In Saugus, north of Los Angeles, about 120 people spent the night on cots in the gymnasium of Saugus High School, principal Bill Bolde said.

Michele Beard fled her home with her husband, mother-in-law and three older children.

“It just lit up the whole mountainside fiery red,” said Beard, 48. “I had never seen anything like that so close before.”

The fire in Malibu had destroyed or damaged 16 structures, among them a church, homes and a historic castle, and was expected to burn for another two to three days, Los Angeles County Fire Chief P. Michael Freeman said. “There will literally be thousands of homes that will be threatened” until the blaze is out, he said.

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Associated Press writers Elliot Spagat in San Diego and Chelsea J. Carter and Jeremiah Marquez in Los Angeles and AP Science Writer Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report.


1,316 posted on 10/22/2007 12:44:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Lizarde

I have to go offline for a few hours.
West Hollywood is fine, but stay tuned to this thread and especially info from Burbank Karl...


1,317 posted on 10/22/2007 12:45:22 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: al baby

DHS has it covered, I’m sure. ;-)


1,318 posted on 10/22/2007 12:46:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"Another FReeper (jerk) seemed happy to see Malibu burn because a some liberal movie stars live there."

Of course you are aware that the particular flapjaw motormouth to whom you refer has long been a plague on FR. As I recall, this guy was (and probably still is) one of the more vocal screechers debunking the SPP/NAU as a valid threat.

1,319 posted on 10/22/2007 12:47:24 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar

Posted by MNJohnnie to al baby; La Enchiladita; dragnet2
On News/Activism 10/21/2007 11:05:38 AM PDT · 102 of 1,319

( Celebs Homes...Mel Gibson...etc)
I will explain it to you since your knee jerk self riotousness blinds you to the painfully obvious. Many of these people are fashionable greens. Not quite so much fun for them to actually bear the consequences of their Green dogmas. Proper conservation techniques would prevent these sort of disasters but because of their rabid Green dogmas, they prevent anything that might spoil their “pristine” environment. Kind of a case of their chickens coming home to roost.


1,320 posted on 10/22/2007 12:49:55 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: La Enchiladita; Brad's Gramma
Yes, the winds are still with us but do not seem to be as aggressive today. Started out bad this morning, but began to slack off somewhat around mid-morning. We were ready to evacuate last night--all packed up, doberman's crate in the back of the SUV, but finally decided to hang in there since the evacuation instructions were "voluntary". We've lived here quite awhile, and have fought off a number of fires.

By the way, our particular fire ("Santiago Fire") has been labled an arson fire having three separate origination points. It is now a criminal investigation. I would pay good money to get my hands on the perp(s) for about 15 minutes, enough time to introduce him/them to my doberman.

1,321 posted on 10/22/2007 12:56:01 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: NormsRevenge

is that miramar?


1,322 posted on 10/22/2007 12:56:25 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Czar

Howdy there....


1,323 posted on 10/22/2007 12:56:58 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: BurbankKarl

there was a looter in Canyon Country....white male adult....armed neighbor ran him off.


1,324 posted on 10/22/2007 12:57:06 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Czar
I would pay good money to get my hands on the perp(s) for about 15 minutes, enough time to introduce him/them to my doberman.

May my German Shepherd help?

1,325 posted on 10/22/2007 12:58:46 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: NormsRevenge
I am not sure which of San Diego or Arrowhead is going to be the biggest disaster...I think it may be San Diego......


1,326 posted on 10/22/2007 12:58:57 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: BurbankKarl
is it near rancho bernardo? pretty bad burn,, hundreds of thousands evacuated

This image made available by NASA shows plumes of smoke drifting westward from the Santa Clarita, Calif. and Castaic Lake area on Sunday, Oct. 21, 2007 at 2:50 p.m. Wildfires fanned by fierce desert winds consumed huge swaths of bone-dry Southern California on Monday, Oct. 22, 2007, burning buildings and forcing evacuations from Malibu to San Diego. San Clemente Island is seen at bottom right with Santa Catalina Island above and San Nicolas Island at center right. (AP Photo/NASA)

1,327 posted on 10/22/2007 1:02:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, center, tours the burned site of Malibu Presbyterian Church in Malibu, Claif., Monday, Oct. 22, 2007. He is joined by Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca, left, and Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, right. Wildfires are blazing across much of Southern California, prompting hundreds of thousands of evacuations. (AP Photo/Annie Wells, Pool)


1,328 posted on 10/22/2007 1:07:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge; doug from upland; A CA Guy; Brad's Gramma; bd476; lainie; BurbankKarl; pollywog; ...
Just came across this:

Hillary and Hollywood, while California burns

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y Soren Dayton Posted

Governor Schwarzenegger has announced a state of emergency. Thousands of Americans are losing their homes. They are certainly in my thoughts and prayers.

What about Hillary? Hollywood is throwing her a birthday party, just miles away:

Rob Reiner sang a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday, Mrs. President" in honor of Senator Hillary Clinton at his Brentwood, California, home on Sunday evening.

Celebrities came to see to see Clinton, D-N.Y., and to celebrate in advance of the former first lady's 60th birthday. Although they didn't bring gifts, celebrities from Jamie Lee Curtis, Magic Johnson, Ted Danson, Bridget Moynihan and Chelsea Handler raised a half a million dollars for the Clinton campaign and enjoyed cocktails and hors deouvres in return.

Despite the massive fires miles away in Malibu, guests were greeted by men dressed in head to toe white, with lavender bow ties saying with "Welcome to the Reiner's," as they shuffled up and down the street parking Bentleys, Porsches, and BMWs.

I hope that the wind was blowing the right direction. I bet it's hard to get the ash and soot (of people's homes and dreams) off those "head to toe white" suits "with lavender bow ties."

Next time she's says she's fighting for Americans, remember that this is what she means.

1,329 posted on 10/22/2007 1:15:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Is there a fire in Europe?

I see on Fox some Brit guy talking about a fire.


1,330 posted on 10/22/2007 1:29:46 PM PDT by Syncro
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I’ve just been mesmerized by the coverage.

Qualcomm stadium is now an emergency shelter. They need one that big.

Whole neighborhoods in the San Diego area are being allowed to burn. Not enough FF.

Now Arrowhead. It’s crazy.


1,331 posted on 10/22/2007 1:32:00 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie

It is a shame lainie.So sad.


1,332 posted on 10/22/2007 1:36:36 PM PDT by fatima (Pray for my sister Germaine-very ill.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Czar; Brad's Gramma

Is there anybody here giving eyewitness accounts of the situation regarding the Witch Creek fire (Rancho Bernardo, etc)? My elderly mom is on the west side of that one (and a bit north—by Encinitas Ranch). I just saw the county supervisor say that they didn’t have enough firefighters, that it was zero percent contained, and they may not be able to stop it until it reaches the ocean. I’m trying to figure out if she’s threatened.


1,333 posted on 10/22/2007 1:51:38 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

saw this
http://www.cbs8.com/
http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.106491.html

Prayers up!


1,334 posted on 10/22/2007 1:54:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: calcowgirl; bd476; BurbankKarl; lainie

PING to calcowgirl’s question...please help if you can..!


1,335 posted on 10/22/2007 1:57:38 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: calcowgirl

Just saw a report on San Diego video feed about Rancho Bernardino. Dozens of homes lost, but no visible out of control fires right now. Some homes smoldering. Looks like the wind driven flames have gone further west. There are numerous hot spots however now within Rancho Bernardino so a flare up can happen just about anywhere there tonight.


1,336 posted on 10/22/2007 1:58:31 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Oops. That should read. Rancho Bernardo not Rancho Bernardino.


1,337 posted on 10/22/2007 1:59:30 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: calcowgirl; All

California wildfires at a glance
http://www.bakersfield.com/119/story/265931.html

Major wildfires in California:

- Buckweed Fire: 27,500 acres in northeastern Los Angeles County south of Agua Dulce. 20 percent contained. Approximately 15,000 people and 5,500 homes evacuated. Twenty-five structures and two bridges destroyed. Three people injured. Nine hundred homes without power.

- Canyon Fire: 2,400 acres in coastal community of Malibu. Out of control. About 200 homes evacuated. Five homes destroyed as well as two commercial buildings, including a church. Ten homes damaged. No injuries reported.

- Harris Fire: 20,000 acres about 70 miles southeast of San Diego north of the border town of Tecate. Five percent contained. Unknown number of homes destroyed. One civilian killed, 15 people injured, including four firefighters.

- Witch Fire: 10,000 acres in northern San Diego County between Ramona and Santa Ysabel. Five percent contained. Unknown number of homes destroyed. No reports of injuries.

- Grass Valley Fire: More than 300 acres in Grass Valley area west of Lake Arrowhead in San Bernardino Mountains. Unknown number of homes destroyed, 1,500 homes threatened, several communities evacuated.

- Slide Fire: More than 300 acres in Green Valley area of San Bernardino Mountains. Four hundred homes threatened, several communities evacuated.

- Orange County Fire: 8,800 acres in Orange County east of Irvine. Thirty percent contained. No homes destroyed. Four minor injuries to firefighters.

- Ranch Fire: 29,000 acres near Piru in Ventura County. Ten percent contained. About 200 people evacuated. One homes destroyed and no injuries reported.

- Sedgewick Fire: 710 acres near Los Olivos in Santa Barbara County. Fifty percent contained. No evacuations. No homes destroyed and no reports of injuries.


1,338 posted on 10/22/2007 2:01:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Czar; Liz; Brad's Gramma; All

“As I recall, this guy was (and probably still is) one of the more vocal screechers debunking the SPP/NAU as a valid threat.”

Yes, and illegal immigration is the Democrats fault, not Bush’s.


1,339 posted on 10/22/2007 2:02:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma; Czar

” would pay good money to get my hands on the perp(s) for about 15 minutes, enough time to introduce him/them to my doberman.
May my German Shepherd help?”

Yes!


1,340 posted on 10/22/2007 2:04:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: calcowgirl

Just read your posting in more detail. She is west of Rancho Bernardo ? The news reporter asked a fire chief with a convoy of 5 to 6 engines where the open flames were in Rancho Bernardo. The fire Chief said he did not know and was trying to find them. Not much help for your situation, but obviously no one really knows the true situation of that area right now. Very fluid and tonight if the winds die down we could see fires going in random directions.


1,341 posted on 10/22/2007 2:05:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: NormsRevenge

hundreds destroyed in Arrowhead.


1,342 posted on 10/22/2007 2:06:16 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks, NR. I’ve been watching CBS. They’ve had pretty good coverage on San Diego so far but it doesn’t look encouraging down there.

Your second link must be real popular—windows is spining and spinning, but won’t connect, LOL.


1,343 posted on 10/22/2007 2:08:18 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Brad's Gramma; CAluvdubya

Thanks BG. Any input is welcome!

I think CAluvdubya is in this area too.
Prayers for her!


1,344 posted on 10/22/2007 2:09:46 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

CBS said at least 10 homes in Rcho Santa Fe were gone. They didn’t say if one of them was Parsky’s. ;-)


1,345 posted on 10/22/2007 2:10:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; CAluvdubya

I just spoke to CAluvdubya and she and her family are OK, they evacuated to a friends house.


1,346 posted on 10/22/2007 2:12:34 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: fatima; All

Just talked to a friend in Carlsbad. She said she is packing up the car, the dog and her MIL. Please say some prayers for her, her name is Claudia. Thank you so much.


1,347 posted on 10/22/2007 2:13:10 PM PDT by tajgirvan (Please Pray for Steve Godbold. Christian Missionary Kidnapped by Rebels in Africa)
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To: justa-hairyape

West of Rancho Santa Fe (vs. Rcho Bernardo).

Lots of details here, but not much prediction.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20071022-1224-bn22fire4.html


1,348 posted on 10/22/2007 2:13:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

My daughter called me from Cal Stae San Bernardino - they closed the campus and she and her roommates drown down to one of their parent’s house in Temecula. She said the smoke was so bad you couldn’t even see the mountains - and the campus is right up against the base of Arrowhead mountain! I was a little nervous, but she said it is much clearer now down in Temecula - they are between the fires now...


1,349 posted on 10/22/2007 2:16:39 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: SoCalPol

Oh, Great!!! :-)

I just saw the cars pouring out of the area on Highway 56 (major traffic).
250,000 officially evacuated. WOW!


1,350 posted on 10/22/2007 2:17:21 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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