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Live Updating Thread: 2007 Southern California Firestorms
LA Times ^ | 9:35 AM PDT, October 21, 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/21/2007 9:48:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

UPDATE: The city of Malibu is advising residents in Puerco Canyon to begin evacuating due to a wildfire driven by powerful winds. This area is north of Pacific Coast Highway and about 1 mile west of Pepperdine University. Residents along the beach on Malibu Road may soon be evacuated. Pacific Coast Highway is closed between Kanan-Dume Road and Topanga Canyon. Residents are advised to head to the west. Evacuation centers are being set up in the Zuma Beach area.

A wildfire driven by powerful winds in the Malibu Hills this morning threatened a university, destroyed at least one home and forced the evacuation of hundreds more, authorities said.

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Not right now it isn’t......I DID notice about an hour ago that the heat rose and there was a stillness to the air...and, that “feeling” I get when the Santa Ana’s are about to come in.....

Oh PLEASE God...do NOT let them come back...


4,201 posted on 10/27/2007 10:20:45 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Is the Smoke in the Air bothering anyone else?....I’ve been out and now my throat is feeling yukky...

Yes! It's been bugging me a lot all week! Raspy throat, pressure in the chest, headache, sleepy. Today is the first day I started to feel better as there was an ocean breeze and I finally got a bit of semi-fresh air (from a coastline that finally showed some blue sky).

4,202 posted on 10/27/2007 10:24:13 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; Brad's Gramma

I think I shall take my body to the horizontal position...nite all....Yukky taste ....I need a cough drop....


4,203 posted on 10/27/2007 11:17:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

They are coming back all right.

But not as crazy as before.


4,204 posted on 10/27/2007 11:36:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Well then!

Just call on ME next time you need a weather report! :)

And.....GOOD GOOD GOOD that they’re not going to be gale force winds THIS time ‘round....!!!!!!


4,205 posted on 10/27/2007 11:50:41 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Here’s to hoping you feel better tomorrow, Ernest...

Sleep well!


4,206 posted on 10/27/2007 11:51:09 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: BurbankKarl

BTW.......how soon are the winds expected back?

The kid & the geezer are in the process of cleaning the pool....


4,207 posted on 10/27/2007 11:58:24 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Brad's Gramma
I'm back and I feel better....

A weather 'blessing' aids battle

***************************EXCERPT************************

Cool, moist air — drizzle in some places — lets firefighters make big gains, but Santa Anas could return.
By Tony Perry, Ashley Powers and Steve Chawkins, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
October 28, 2007
Under cool, moist skies, firefighters on Saturday made significant strides against the remaining fires in Southern California. Displaced residents streamed back to their homes, and hard-hit San Diegans prepared to cheer on their Chargers in a football stadium that, just days before, had been an emergency shelter for thousands.

Firefighters hoped that balmy temperatures would help them maintain their gains on many fronts today. In the mountains of San Bernardino County, the nearly 13,000-acre Slide fire was 65% contained by Saturday evening. Earlier in the day, it had been only 25% contained.

"This is a kind of blessing," said meteorologist Valerie L. Meyers at an evening briefing in Running Springs.

Even as something approaching normality returned to many areas, firefighters worked feverishly to take advantage of the comparatively low temperatures and light breezes. Some forecasters were predicting that the fire-triggering blasts of Santa Ana winds would return, although perhaps not as severely, at week's end.

In all, 1,997 houses had been listed as destroyed by Saturday night -- an increase of 222 from the total listed on Friday -- as officials continued to assess damage.

At the 27,521-acre Santiago fire, a cliffhanger that was still threatening dozens of homes in Orange's County's Silverado Canyon, a sprinkle of rain raised the hopes of weary firefighters and frustrated residents. At least 16 homes have been destroyed overall in the arson-triggered blaze.

"The threat is diminishing day by day," said county Battalion Chief Pat Antrim, himself a resident of the canyon for 46 years. "We're getting a little drizzle, which is better than hot wind."

By evening, firefighters said they had made steady progress, but Orange County's rustic canyon communities remained under a mandatory evacuation order.

Forecasters said the winds would change direction today, bringing slightly drier, warmer weather to the fire regions in Orange and San Diego counties. Moister air is to return on Tuesday.

In San Diego, 19,000 residents remained under evacuation orders, but local political and tourism leaders lost no time pitching the city's charms to prospective visitors.

"We want the message to go out across the world: San Diego is open for business," Mayor Jerry Sanders said at a morning news conference at the San Diego Zoo.

As the mayor spoke, families, out-of-state tourists and couples streamed through the zoo's entrance. Sanders said only one convention bailed out during the fires and that plans were still on for a popular golf tournament and a major neuroscience convention this week.

San Diego authorities said the city was almost entirely "repopulated" -- a judgment echoed at the San Diego Wild Animal Park. Two animals died there as smoke poured through the area, but park officials disclosed that six more were born: three gazelles, a fringe-eared oryx, a Ugandan kob (an antelope), and a dik-dik (an antelope native to eastern Africa).

Officials warned residents of the thefts, scams and price-gouging that seem to trail every disaster.

Lt. Phil Brust of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said six people had been arrested on suspicion of looting in the last week, and 128 looting reports had been fielded by his office.

Playing for bigger stakes, an out-of-town company snapped up 50 apartments in the Rancho Bernardo area and tripled the rent, the mayor said. Alerted by an evacuee, city officials pressured the company to offer the apartments at the pre-fire rent.

Fly-by-night contractors were given a stern warning by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who showed up with other state officials for a morning briefing at the fire command center in Irvine Regional Park.

"If anyone tries to exploit this tragedy, I will make sure you will pay for it for the rest of your life," the governor said, also vowing that investigators would arrest those responsible for igniting two blazes -- including the destructive Santiago fire -- and perhaps another two in the region's string of fires.

So far, more than 1,000 tips on the Santiago fire have poured in to the Orange County sheriff's office, where deputies want to question the driver of a white Ford F-150 seen leaving the area where it began Sunday evening.

San Diego fire investigators appealed to the public for information about a 44-year-old Los Angeles man in custody for allegedly impersonating a firefighter at the Rice fire in Fallbrook, where his truck was loaded with firefighting gear. They said William Reed Brock, who was on probation for a drug offense, was not a suspect in the fires.


4,208 posted on 10/28/2007 10:04:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is north of fire on Palomar mtn., in southern Riverside county.

Incident:  0409 Type: Structure or Grass Fire Location: SR371 AT SR79 Zoom Map: 982 7F info as of: 10/28/2007 11:48:51 AM 

11:02AM RP ADV IT APPEARS TO BE SEPERATE FRM THE SAN DIEGO FIRES , SHE CAN SEE THE SMOKE FRM THOSE FIRES ON THE OTHER SIDE 
11:02AM XFER TO CDF RIV 
11:02AM RP ADV SEVERAL SMALLER FIRES IN THE AREA AS WELL 

4,209 posted on 10/28/2007 11:49:23 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Someone tried to light a few yesterday in the Angeles National Forest north of Los Angeles. Thankfully the drizzle kept them from spreading.


4,210 posted on 10/28/2007 12:00:18 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Brad's Gramma

NY Times has an article suggesting CA just let wildfires burn for ten years and then dont build in those area anymore.


4,211 posted on 10/28/2007 12:21:12 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Okey Dokey.

Fine folks, they are..................


4,212 posted on 10/28/2007 12:52:55 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: BurbankKarl
Did they get him? Shoot him like the other dude?
4,213 posted on 10/28/2007 12:53:25 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Brad's Gramma

nope


4,214 posted on 10/28/2007 1:18:55 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Dang.


4,215 posted on 10/28/2007 1:35:34 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Fitzcarraldo

I can see this one. Too close.


4,216 posted on 10/28/2007 5:40:54 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: BurbankKarl; Brad's Gramma

NY Times is still in business?


4,217 posted on 10/28/2007 6:28:42 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
"BTW.......how soon are the winds expected back?"

Here's the week's forecast from the weather program I have on my computer. It looks like it will be windy near the end of the week—after a few damp/drizzley days! Hopefully this region wide trial is pretty much over.  !



Tonight

Partly cloudy. Areas of smoke. Lows 52 to 60. Light winds.

Monday

Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Areas of smoke. Highs 78 to 83. Light winds becoming southwest 15 mph in the afternoon.

Monday Night

Mostly clear in the evening...becoming partly cloudy. Areas of smoke in the evening. Areas of drizzle after midnight. Lows 52 to 58. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.

Tuesday

Partly cloudy. Areas of drizzle in the morning. Highs 70 to 76. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.

Tuesday Night

Mostly clear in the evening...becoming partly cloudy. Areas of drizzle after midnight. Lows 51 to 56. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.

Wednesday

Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Areas of drizzle in the morning. Highs 70 to 75.

Wednesday Night

Mostly clear. Lows 49 to 55.

Thursday

Mostly sunny. Highs 74 to 79.

Thursday Night

Mostly clear. Lows 50 to 56.

Friday

Mostly sunny. Highs 76 to 81.

Friday Night

Mostly clear. Breezy. Lows 50 to 57.

Saturday

Mostly sunny. Windy. Highs 80 to 88.

Saturday Night

Mostly clear. Breezy. Lows 49 to 55.

Sunday

Mostly sunny. Highs 82 to 89.

4,218 posted on 10/28/2007 6:53:20 PM PDT by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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To: calcowgirl

My DIL and one of my grandsons are sick with respiratory infections now.


4,219 posted on 10/28/2007 6:57:03 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

Oh, No! How do they treat that?
I hope it is not too serious.


4,220 posted on 10/28/2007 7:20:45 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

It sounds like what you were describing. I told her to go to the clinic. Funny thing is... they have been staying indoors too.


4,221 posted on 10/28/2007 7:25:54 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

I hope they recover quickly! Smoke inhalation is nothing to mess with.
If mine hadn’t subsided, I’d be heading for the doctor tomorrow.
I feel much better, today, though.


4,222 posted on 10/28/2007 7:33:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Salem

Well, THANK you!!!


4,223 posted on 10/28/2007 7:39:19 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: SCalGal

How’s it doing out there now?


4,224 posted on 10/28/2007 7:40:16 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Brad's Gramma

Incident: 0904 Type: Location: info as of: 10/28/2007 8:05:31 PM
ADDITIONAL DETAILS
7:54PM TREES ON FIRE JUST STARTING
RESPONDING OFFICERS STATUS
7:56PM CHP Unit Enroute

Julian Road and 79


4,225 posted on 10/28/2007 8:05:51 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

There’s 2 listed at CadCal, too.

Hollister Gilroy area and Arrowhead, provided I’m reading that one right.


4,226 posted on 10/28/2007 8:46:23 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: BurbankKarl

Scratch that.....the Arrowhead one was posted earlier....


4,227 posted on 10/28/2007 8:51:46 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Brad's Gramma

bookmark


4,228 posted on 10/28/2007 10:58:08 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: CindyDawg
You need to be a little careful with respiratory problems right now. There is a nasty flu bug going around Southern California. Lasts for 2 weeks and puts people out of action for that long. I came down with it a couple of days before the fires broke-out. This is one of the worse flu's I have ever had. Starts off in the lungs. Many people who get this might mistake it for problems with smoke from the fires. Coughing occurs throughout. Dry heaving coughing at first which switches to coughing up yellow stuff from the lungs (unless you smoke and then it is black stuff). Later stages are lite coughing with a clearer stuff up from the lungs. Last 2 weeks unless you drink a DanActive (Tm) every day. Wonder it all these particulates in the air would enhance the spread of an infection ? Just curious ?
4,229 posted on 10/29/2007 2:42:21 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Brad's Gramma
What's CadCal Gramma I'd like to check it out.

I live in Hollister Gilroy area and have heard nothing about these fires.

4,230 posted on 10/29/2007 7:21:29 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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To: SweetCaroline

http://cad.chp.ca.gov/

There ya go!


4,231 posted on 10/29/2007 12:38:14 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Brad's Gramma

Thanks


4,232 posted on 10/29/2007 1:41:07 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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To: Brad's Gramma; lainie; ArmstedFragg

U2 and Global Hawk IR photos of fires.....(through the smoke clouds)

4,233 posted on 10/29/2007 9:09:19 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Impressive!


4,234 posted on 10/29/2007 9:47:01 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: BurbankKarl; lainie

Dang it, Karl, you come up with the BEST sites, pictures, information...

Thank you!!!


4,235 posted on 10/29/2007 11:01:41 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: BurbankKarl

Photos of which fires, where, and when?


4,236 posted on 10/30/2007 8:10:04 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: BurbankKarl

Are those pictures published on a publicly accessible site or do you have a private source?


4,237 posted on 10/30/2007 9:51:44 AM PDT by esarlls3
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To: Fitzcarraldo; esarlls3

The tree line picture is of the Horno fire (Camp Pendleton) and the other is the Poomacha Fire.

They are linked off the Air Force public web site...and the only photos listed. I have read on other lists that the military set up receive stations at each command post to receive the images real time, and to decipher them to fire commanders.

http://www.af.mil/photos/index.asp?page=1

Hundreds of military aid photos here

http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/deflink_ss.pl?Lbox=defenselink.DoD_Support_to_SOCAL_Fires&lbc=0&thumbs_only=&tc=40&nav=group_list


4,238 posted on 10/30/2007 10:58:49 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Serb5150

I’m back to Freeping ... two cats on the bed ... beautiful day.


4,239 posted on 10/30/2007 2:01:16 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Young Boy Started Buckweed Fire With Matches

AP) SANTA CLARITA, Calif. Officials blamed a wildfire that consumed more than 38,000 acres and destroyed 21 homes last week on a boy playing with matches, and said they would ask a prosecutor to consider the case.

The boy, whose name and age were not released, admitted to sparking the fire on Oct. 21, Los Angeles County sheriff’s Sgt. Diane Hecht said Tuesday. Ferocious winds helped it quickly spread.

“He admitted to playing with matches and accidentally starting the fire,” Hecht said in a statement.

The boy was released to his parents, and the case will be presented to the district attorney’s office, Hecht said. It was not clear if he had been arrested or cited by detectives.

The fire began in an area near Agua Dulce and quickly spread. It was among 15 or so major wildfires that killed 14 people, destroyed some 2,100 homes and blackened 809 square miles from Los Angeles to the Mexican border last week.

Authorities arrested five people for arson during that period, but none have been linked to any of the major blazes.

All but four of the blazes are now fully contained. Firefighters on Wednesday continued to cut lines around the remaining fires and kept a close eye on the weather.

Forecasters have said moderate Santa Ana winds could pick up later in the week.

Investigators have blamed an arsonist for setting a destructive wildfire in Orange County that blackened 28,500 acres and destroyed 16 homes.

Authorities were seeking the driver of a white Ford F-150 pickup truck spotted in a canyon area around the time the fire broke out. They said they wanted to talk to the driver, but stopped short of calling the person a suspect.

Officials offered a $285,000 reward to anyone with information that will lead to an arrest and conviction.


4,240 posted on 10/31/2007 10:01:44 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

FIRE WEATHER DESK WILL BE ISSUING A FIRE WEATHER WATCH IN THIS AFTERNOON`S PACKAGE FOR STRONG (25 MPH SUSTAINED AND GUSTS 35 TO 45 MPH) WINDS AND LOW RELATIVE HUMIDITIES STARTING LATE FRIDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUING AT LEAST THROUGH SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND POSSIBLY INTO SATURDAY NIGHT. OUR OFFSHORE WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO DECREASE SATURDAY NIGHT...WHILE RELATIVE HUMIDITY LEVELS MAY STILL BE LOW. THIS AGAIN WILL BE A MUCH WEAKER EVENT THAN THE LAST...THOUGH STILL LOOKS TO BE WITHIN CRITERIA FOR CRITICAL FIRE WEATHER CONDITIONS...CLOSE ENOUGH FOR A WATCH AT LEAST. SATURDAY SHOULD BE THE WARMEST DAY ACROSS THE AREA...THOUGH AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THE OVERNIGHT LOWS COULD BE FAIRLY COOL IN SHELTERED AREAS AND WARMER IN WINDIER SPOTS.


4,241 posted on 10/31/2007 12:02:58 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl; A CA Guy; Brad's Gramma; pollywog; calcowgirl; lainie
Thanks....

FR thread for reference :

LA fire started by boy with matches

From Local TV:

Oct 31, 2007 10:20 am US/Pacific
Young Boy Started Buckweed Fire With Matches

************************EXCERPT***********************

All but four of the blazes are now fully contained. Firefighters on Wednesday continued to cut lines around the remaining fires and kept a close eye on the weather.

Forecasters have said moderate Santa Ana winds could pick up later in the week.

Investigators have blamed an arsonist for setting a destructive wildfire in Orange County that blackened 28,500 acres and destroyed 16 homes.

Authorities were seeking the driver of a white Ford F-150 pickup truck spotted in a canyon area around the time the fire broke out. They said they wanted to talk to the driver, but stopped short of calling the person a suspect.

Officials offered a $285,000 reward to anyone with information that will lead to an arrest and conviction.

4,242 posted on 10/31/2007 12:19:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So it was ALL BUSH’S fault.

Look at what the “NO CHILDREN LEFT BEHIND” program has done.

George Bush obviously used this program to create a mind control that MADE this child start the fires...


4,243 posted on 10/31/2007 5:20:11 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Only a little smoke now, from Mt. Palomar (poomacha?). Hopefully it’ll be out soon.


4,244 posted on 11/01/2007 5:57:41 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Couple of houses burned, quite a number of people were evacuated.


4,245 posted on 11/01/2007 5:59:13 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SCalGal

I hope so too....


4,246 posted on 11/01/2007 6:01:01 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: A CA Guy; BurbankKarl
In regards to the Santa Clarita fire

They reported yesterday the kid was a 9 year old. Then it was reported he was a 10 year old. Now it's being reported he is a 12 year old by Homeland Security.

He lived with his parent in a mobile home at the Carousel Ranch for mentally challenged children... The kids "Dad" worked for the "ranch" as a grounds keeper and taking care of the horses. ..It's reported the kid has been sent away to live with other relatives elsewhere.

Due to the blackout in regards to details surrounding this story, they were speculating on KFI Los Angeles an hour ago that this kids parents might be in the country illegally, but no one is saying...They are being very tight lipped about any details in regards to this story. They won't even say if this was intentionally started or if he was just "playing with matches" and accidentally started the fire.

The lack of details here seem suspect.

If you recall, that Hollywood Hill fire started behind the Oakwood apartments by the two kids from Illinois did not lack any of the details this story seems to be lacking.

BTW, the Illinois kids were never charged. Of course no home were lost in that fire.

4,247 posted on 11/01/2007 6:10:24 PM PDT by dragnet2
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