Skip to comments.Big Giuliani problem: Who cares about NY City?
Posted on 10/22/2007 11:09:26 AM PDT by freedomdefender
Rudi Giulianis campaign depends to a great extent on his clean-up of crime in NY City in the 1990s. It allows him to cover up a multitude of his non-conservative policies. Consider this exchange from yesterdays GOP debate:
Fred Thompson: Mayor Giuliani believes in federal funding for abortion. He believes in sanctuary cities. Hes for gun control. He supported Mario Cuomo, a liberal Democrat, against a Republican who was running for governor; then opposed the governors tax cuts when he was there.
Rudi: I had the most legal city in the country. And I took the crime capital of America and I turned it into the safest large city in the country. The senator has never had executive responsibility. Hes never had the weight of peoples safety and security on his shoulders.
Well, whatever Rudi did in NY City, across the country crime also fell sharply in the 1990s:
According to new research by a University of California, Berkeley, law professor, the crime rate dropped dramatically during the 1990s, falling 40 percent in cities and states across the country and in all major crime categories from homicides to auto thefts, producing the longest and deepest crime decline in the United States since World War II.
And besides, since when is local crime a federal responsibility? We need to get rid of all federal involvement in local police matters, including cutting off all funding using U.S. taxpayers money.
Finally, most Americans just dont like NY City. They hate the Yankees baseball team. They dont like the pushy attitude of New Yorkers. And they dont like paying for the vast federal subsidies that go to the city.
Maybe Rudi can be Hillarys running mate.
I like the Yankees team, but I hate that they are a bought team.
I’m a great fan of in-house development of players. It’s what baseball used to be about.
‘Youre right, as much as I would like to see someone like Hunter or Huckabee win the nomination, its looking like the only candidates who have a chance are Rooty, Romney and Thompson. (However, at this time four years ago, Dean was seen as a foregone conclusion.)’
I can survive any of those running right now, right or left, to be honest. Made it through Jimmy Carter, made it through Bill Clinton....I’ll ‘make it through’ whoever gets the win this time around as well.
I could grit my teeth and vote for Romney, I could end up actively supporting Thompson.
But I can’t vote for Guiliani. Aside from the previous post detailing specifics...Rudy has another problem that really worries me.
When he gets bored (often) his personal life becomes very very messy, just like Bill Clinton’s. And just liek Bill Clinton, he’s very arrogant about it.
We can’t afford another couple of years right now along the lines of 1997 and 1998.
I’ll take Fred too. But if it came down to Hillary and Rudy, I will pull the lever for the latter and work for the future of the country.
When the national economy booms--crime rates normally fall (as they did nationally),,,,as unemployment drops. Also, a booming economy increases tax revenue--allowing flexibility tax cuts.
Giuliani does deserve SOME credit for the drop in crime and cutting some taxes,,,,but his repeated efforts to take complete credit for both is just plain disingenuous and 'not the whole story'.
His 'waving of his own flag' without telling the 'whole story' (or putting his actions in some perspective) is getting somewhat tiresome.
Grassroots are building against Rudy, as least here in MI.
You would not believe how many people I speak to that know and support Thompson.
I think, no matter how much the MSM wants him, Rudy is a moot point.
In the same way every Democrat candidate
has pimples, so does each of the Republicans.
Let’a face it, we’re voting for human beings.
When the chips are down, the real question
will be WHO is going to be the best C-I-C
for the nation? Who will nominate the best
talent for each position in his Cabinet?
I’ve been through decades of national elections
and I’ve noticed that about every 20 years the
man on the street begins to think about the chaos
that ensaues in divvying up the Two Houses and
the Presidency. He atarts mulling over the
positives in a clean sweep for only one party.
Our great danger in this coming election is
going to eminate from illegals getting inside
the voting booths.
between the Dems and Reps.
I certainly hope you are right. Rudy would be an absolute disaster for the Republican Party.
Good matrix. I use it as well. :>)
The only “take away” from last nights debate was Mc Cain’s remarks about Woodstock and Hillary.
The irony is that if Rooty is nominated, it will be the first time in American history that a major political party has nominated a candidate for president who they did not believe would be able to carry his home state. And I am unaware of anyone ever winning the presidential election without carrying their home state.
If you have proof that NYC takes in more from Washington than it pays in, I'd like to see it.
Great minds and all that stuff.
RG thinks the USA should be a mirror of NYC. Romney thinks the USA should be a mirror of MA. The USA is not some monolith that should be come some clone of a liberal northeastern state.
The media is trying to run down Thompson for the same reason they are trying to prop up Rooty. They are terrified of Fred and totally confident of victory with Rooty.
Rudy was part of the liberal establishment in NYC, which is, after all, most of the city. He was even supported by the Liberal party. Rudy was not that unusual. I've known many liberal prosecutors who are very authoritarian and "tough on crime". They are also tough on ctizens Constitutional rights.
“Thompson puts me to sleep. He is one big bore” Thank you!!! People need to stop deluding themselves by saying he’s won the debates and is the messiah. If he’s the candidate, the GOP loses to Clinton and/or Obama (maybe not John Edwards). Not only is he imperfect (he also helped an abortion org and his excuse was BS last night and Colmes ate him up on it after the debate), he’s simply BORING and won’t capture ADD America’s attention. It’s going to have to be Rudy or Mitt, for better or worse, b/c Fred is a flop and Duncan just isn’t getting his much deserved attention.
One of the best lines I’ve heard in years.
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