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Posted on 10/22/2007 4:12:11 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
TAMPA, Fla. - Republican Fred Thompson sidestepped a question about the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case last month, saying he didn't remember the details. On Monday he said he's uncomfortable discussing it because of his own daughter's death.
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"And this will probably be the last time I ever address it."
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He added: "It should be decided by families. The federal government and the state government, too — except for the court system — ought to stay out of it, as far as I'm concerned."
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Am I supposed to act surprised at your revelation that your mind is used for filthy thoughts, instead of anything constructive like reading the information you asked for?
LOL ~ I see you’re still not easy to fool.
How long since we’ve seen a visitor who came prepared?
I think you need stick to the YouTube forum.
No post? Well, I guess I’ll check back later...
I thought I would give you enough time to post Judge Greer's starvation order yourself. Find it yet?
I think it reads something like this:
ORDERED AND ADJUDGED the Respondents' Emergency
Expedited Motion for Permission to Provide Theresa Schiavo with food
and Water by Natural Means is is DENIED.
DONE AND ORDERED in Clearwater, Pinellas County, Florida, this 8 day of March, 2005.
It is clear that the credible testimony was that given by Dr. Bamhill for various reasons, not the least of which is that he has examined Terri Schiavo and reviewed her medical records.
While the attorney for the Respondents did get him to acknowledge that he could not say with certainty how much of her nutritional requirement she might be able to ingest orrally, he was quite positve that in no way could she comsume enough in the manner to sustain herself. The court does not feel that another medical procedue merely to specify what portion of insufficiency would result from the removal of the feeding tube warrants the granting of the Petition. Accordingly, It is ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that the Petition for Order Aurthorizing Evaluation, be and the same is hereby denied. http://judgegeorgegreer.com/docs/030805orderdenyfood.pdf
The fact has been documented that he forced hospice to quit brushing her teeth.
That was damn sure enough for me to figure the entire situation out.
Unless you can explain why this was a decision made by a loving husband based on his legal right to do so.
Fred's running out of steam. I don't need to do anything much. If he would meet with Terri's brother, that would maybe help. There's a new thread about Terri's brother holding a summit with the GOP candidates.
People are livid about the confusion of the candidates on what's so hard about saving one person's life and being ashamed to say that you would do so???
I will never forget what they did to Terri!
I think that since the pres and the congress were so absolutely incompetent and impotent when it came to saving Terri, the candidates believe the gov’t should never have gotten involved in the first place.
Thompson’s statement, however, shuts the door on dialog. The other candidates hopefully will be more open.
I don't need to provide you with evidence. Her court file was approx. 50 volumes. What would you like to know? I'd have to drive down to the courthouse for you.
There are archives on the internet but certainly, if you know how to use the internet, you can find Terri archives and transcripts if you really want to.
Fred's daughter, RIP. Sorry your dad drug you into the campaign instead of giving his position on euthanasia which is illegal.
Terri WAS able to communicate. When I read here that she couldn’t, at this point, I want to chuckle. Where do these people get all the bad info? You’d think they’d want to search for the truth.
Bishop Lynch calls scientologists "friend". That's the climate here.
Oh, how dramatic.
Comas are different. People can wake up from comas. Years later. fregards, FV
He wanted to collect on insurance policies. Jodi wanted the wedding and the cake. She’s hefty and would wed for the big cake.
Murder is dramatic. What’s more dramatic is a state where judges rule that murder is legal.
During the last vigil in 2005, as each day passed, vigilers and people on the internet began wondering what happened to Jeb Bush? As Terri transformed into a dying vision, Jeb transformed into a coward. If he ever runs for anything, guess what? Our collective memories of Terri's barbaric death will ruin his campaign.
From gentlemen to jerk in less than two weeks!
On the other hand, FRED THOMPSON should have "stuff ready". He wants to be President and on matters of life and death, he's too hypersensitive to discuss them - ever. We've been here for FOUR YEARS. Part 1. They are trying to kill Terri. Part 2. Terri got to lie. Part 3. They are trying to kill Terri again. Part 4. They killed her. Part 5. Public awareness that this could happen to anyone no matter how many papers are drawn up. Strangers usually initiate this stuff for monetary gain or because they are twisted, and they certainly don't care...
How's that?
Let’s make something real clear. You are attempting to make us look like we can put Terri’s entire case history together here for you and if we don’t do so,well, you tried to help us, but we are just too stupid? LOL Sayonara, delphiuser.
100% brain death which will start the heart anyway. SHOULD READ “stop the heart”. long day in the triangle
FV, you make an excellent point. We’re not going to repost the entire case history in every post, but as you know, the entire case history is already posted here for anyone who wants to read it. DU is not the first visitor to make such unreasonable demands, and won’t be the last. (Hmmm, where have I seen “DU” before?)
We have now come full circle on this thread. I summed it up in sentence one. Game over.
“There’s a lot here that just does not add up to a whole number.”
Well maybe we’re making progress; there’s some hope for you if you at least realize that.
But you are taking this far too lightly which shows you are in some kind of denial. Why? I don’t know:
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/bushnell.pdf
THIS shows that Michael Schiavo, and his friends, DID NOT want the truth to get outabout Terri’s cognitive abilities. Terri was severely brain damaged, but NOT brain dead.
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“She is fighting like hell to stay alive. And I want the powers to be to know that,” Bob Schindler told reporters after visiting his daughter at the hospice Saturday. “Anyone that has the authority to come in and to save Terri, they can do it. It’s not too late. She’s fighting and we’re asking you to fight with her.”
Bobby Schindler, Terri Schiavo’s brother, questioned why cameras could not be allowed to document her death. He called Felos’ description of Schiavo as “the farthest thing from the truth” and said, “My sister is being killed by dehydration and starvation.”
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/26/schiavo/
Did Terri Schiavo’s husband change his mind? According to the testimony that follows, he assured a judge and jury that Terri would be given proper therapy and care. However, after receiving the proceeds of the 1992 Medical Malpractice Trial, not a single day of therapy had been given to Terri.
November 1992
Testimony of Michael Schiavo, Medical Malpractice Trial
Q. Why did you want to learn to be a nurse?
MS. Because I enjoy it and I want to learn more how to take care of Terri.
Q. You’re a young man. Your life is ahead of you. When you look up the road, what do you see for yourself?
MS. I see myself hopefully finishing school and taking care of my wife.
Q. Where do you want to take care of your wife?
MS. I want to bring her home.
Q. If you had the resources available to you, if you had the equipment and the people, would you do that?
MS. Yes, I would, in a heartbeat.
Q. How do you feel about being married to Terri now.
MS. I feel wonderful. She’s my life and I wouldn’t trade her for the world. I believe in my marriage vows.
Q. You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?
MS. I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I’m going to do that.
http://www.terrisfight.org/change.html
Quotes from Bob Schindler (Terri’s dad)
“Long before and during the malpractice trial, you made a number of commitments to Mary and myself. One of your commitments was that award money was to be used to enhance Terri’s medical and neurological care.”
BOB SCHINDLER: And after the money came in, it was maybe two months after that, and I confronted him and asked him when are you going to begin Terri’s rehabilitation? And he told me to mind my own business. Now, he had, you know, promised that before. So it was a complete change. And that was the onset of the problem.
http://www.zimp.org/stuff/contradictions.htm
http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html
“Here’s the Petition to Impeach Greer. The author of the Petition numbers many of the laws that were broken but the lawlessness continued well after the date of the Petition.
This is a good summary of the judicial tyrannist.”
http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html
Thanks!
This sounds like the comment of someone who hasn't been closely involved in the decisions surrounding the death of a loved one.
People die. Get over it.
With our medical capabilities we can keep dying people alive well beyond reason. They're going to die. All of the "miracles of science" that are applied to prolonging their "life" (that's in quotes because someone in a terminal coma doesn't have a life) are ridiculous and futile. But watching over them through that painful process is hardly "pulling the plug."
Yet it entails a lot of the same emotional and moral choices.
Aren't we supposed to go find someone (even a crack pot pseudo scientist) to try some incredibly experinmental (and incredibly expensive) procedure to "save" the person who all the instruments say is brain dead? If you don't do that, won't you be accuse of "pulling the plug?"
My mother died a couple of years ago, several weeks after suffering a massive stroke. She was conscious and coherent, though in pain, when she got to the hospital and the doctors (some of the best in the world) performed surgery to try to save her life. When they got into her brain they found much more damage and a much more serious situation than they could possibly cope with, no matter what they did. She never regained conscousness.
I sat with her for 4 days after arriving from my home far away from where my parents lived. I waited to come for nearly 10 days because I knew what was happening, based on years of working on ambulances in New York City and the surrounding area. She was being sustained by all of the "marvels" of modern medicine. Nothing was cut, pulled or witheld.
And she died.
She would have died two weeks earlier without the "extrodianiary care" provide by Stanford University Hospital, but our society demands that we "never give up" in these situations. That's to allow for the one in a million who recovers from these sorts of situations against all of the accumulated knowledge and expertise of the priests of Hypocratese.
Besides, the insurance company will pick up the bill. And if they won't Hillary will.
Bottom line, I'd recommend those trying to hack at Fred over this comment with no better evidence than presented in the article should read Matthew, chapter 7.
Then I'd recommend that they spend a year or two working with people in hospice care. Then they might be in a position to talk about this situation and the choices (or non choices) others have made.
“Hopefully our visitors will take the time to read it. I don’t have a magic plunger to force the truth down their throats.”
Some have been thoroughly brainwashed by MSM.
But many will open up their hearts and minds after reading the TRUTH.
Perhaps he doesn’t wish to discuss it because it’s an emotional, difficult issue, and he doesn’t wish to deal with judgemental folks like yourself who attempt to try and make him feel that he somehow did something wrong.
Where were you, member since 2003, over two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, when this information was not only more than common knowledge, linked to, posted on, and discussed, but just about 30% of threads, at least, were concerning Terri, Judge Greer and the laws he broke, as well as the laws that another Judge broke during those time periods? How about the Sheriff of Pinellas County hiring Michael Schiavo to be a nurse as this fiasco was ongoing? How about the fact that Terri's parents, confided attorney-client information to an attorney who later became a judge that ruled on this matter? That was also against any kind of judicial canon and, if I recall correctly, was illegal. There's more concerning Social Security fraud as concerns medicare applications.
That was common knowledge also.
What are you, Rip Van Winkle???
"I don't need to provide you with evidence. Her court file was approx. 50 volumes. What would you like to know? I'd have to drive down to the courthouse for you."I am not in Denial, I'm busy.
Would the last conservative to evacuate please bring our founder with you?
pluralization = Parilization, Sheesh!
That video, IIRC, was on those threads. And, BTW, all the documents you want produced...I believe they are becoming harder and harder to come by. When Terri was alive, her family kept a website going, just about Terri and updated it regularly with affidavits and court orders and the like (I don't know that status of late, though I know they have taken this on as a cause for all people treated like Terri).
There were other websites which also had links to original documents, filed with the courts. I personally know that one site, which had these documents back then, had its server attacked numerous times. The creeps who are and were behind killing people ("death with dignity") remind me of the same wackos associated with the green movement, etc. It's now been over two years since Terri died. As I said, it's become more and more difficult to link directly to documents any longer. Though many documents were likely downloaded at the time (which I did as well), I doubt many people have the capacity to store so much data forever on their websites, or wish to continue dealing with server attacks. I also know that the forces behind the "murdering people who can't speak for themselves" crowd have lots of money. There are lots of corporations/people that are profiting in the "death business." They're akin to the ACLU...virtual deep pockets to go against those who resist them.
You can easily spend the time searching on FR likely some of the best-recorded documentation of all sources. Just type "Schiavo"....you'll likely have THOUSANDS of threads come up. If you object to doing that because of the length of time it'll take you to weed through all those threads to find links, then you'll understand why no one on these threads is willing to do that for you. They could literally spend hours trying to find threads which have 1) links to sources; 2) links to sources which are now dead (excuse the pun); 3) links to sources which aren't dead.
BTW, many of us used to do this, ad nauseum, back then. Our reward for doing that was: arrogant/ridiculous retorts about the links some spent a great deal of time, even then, locating. Many of these joksters "demanded" links, and after getting them, continued to post just to bait. I don't know how many people got banned because of all the baiting.
As far as changing your mind or not changing your mind, honestly, I don't care. If your mind is dependent upon someone's attitude that you don't like, that's the wrong place to put your belief. I know that the Lord has told me the place I am to look is to Him, not at how people are acting or behaving in the world around me. People are people but He is God. He is the One to Whom I base what my own Christianity and beliefs are all about, not on what I may dislike or think is or may be hypocritical with people who attend church.
I don't know what threads you were on, but I know for a fact that almost every thread had lots of links to lots of backup. I was on many, and posted tons of links/backup over numerous threads. Perhaps you may have "jumped" on a thread at particular point, past the point where the links were posted. They numbered to the thousands on those threads. Of course, what was previously linked would NOT continued to be reposted over and over on a thread. As you likely know, especially when there is "real time" posting on a "hot topic" even today, the posts could well be 100 in the space of even minutes. Links and comments "get lost" on large threads like that after awhile.
In any event, some people DID start their own websites, and their information and/or server was attacked...even multiple times. I also know that some others were surprised when documents started "disappearing" on the web and likely had procrastinated downloading them to a safe place. Building and maintaining a website is probably beyond the ability of many. And for others, they may not have even thought about that at the time but kicked themselves afterwards, when it was all but "too late" to get documents any longer. And for others, obviously there will be some who just had no interest or desire in "working" that hard. There will always be those.
As far as "carrying on," I left FR for a year, and it mostly had to do with my disgust concerning those who claimed to be conservatives but were all for "putting down" human beings because they were no longer "worthwhile" to keep alive; in favor of having our country overrun by those who have no right to be within this country, using up services and benefits to which they are not entitled....so some can have cheaper employees and lettuce.
I have nothing to do with the promotion of murder or law breaking....and too many in FR did.
DU, I don’t owe you an explanation as to why I don’t have access to the documents you’re too lazy to look for, but I’ll tell you one of the reasons that isn’t too personal. I’m not at my own computer right now. There are other reasons as well, but I’m not going to tell you my whole life story.
I told you where you could find the documents, and I pinged a couple people I thought might have what you claimed to be looking for. As a matter of fact, they provided the info you claimed to be interested in, but you were still nasty toward them and me.
While using someone else’s computer, I was able to find a large cache of legal records documenting some of the laws that were flouted in pursuit of Terri’s death. I doubt you’ll read any of it, but here’s a sample. These are actual court documents, not one-liners, so be prepared to do some reading. I’m pinging a few people who may not have seen these lately.
Briefs & Other Documents in Case No. 01-559
Filed_03-22-2001_NoticeToInvoke.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_03-22-2001_NoticeToInvoke.pdf
Filed_03-30-2001_JurisBriefPart1.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_03-30-2001_JurisBriefPart1.pdf
Filed_03-30-2001_JurisBriefPart2.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_03-30-2001_JurisBriefPart2.pdf
Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayAppendix1.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayAppendix1.pdf
Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayAppendix2.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayAppendix2.pdf
Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayPart1.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayPart1.pdf
Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayPart2.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_04-12-2001_MotionForStayPart2.pdf
Filed_04-12-2001_RequestForResponse.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_04-12-2001_RequestForResponse.pdf
Filed_04-18-2001_OrderDenying.pdf ~ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/01/01-559/Filed_04-18-2001_OrderDenying.pdf
The Law, as it existed, was the basis of the ruling in the Terri Schiavo case. That doesn’t make it right, moral, or ethical.
From a moral and ethical standpoint, it was murder. There is no rationale for killing a woman who is alive and breathing on her own, when her parents and siblings were willing to care for her for the rest of her natural life.
The devoted husband certainly had his own agenda, and had much to gain from Terri’s death.
While we don’t know the details of the tragic death of Fred’s daughter,what I don’t like is his waffling about it. Every person in America had an opinion on Terri Schiavo, everyone knew about the case. Dissimulating, and pretending to be ignorant because it is a painful subject for you, is not a good quality for one who wishes to lead the country. leader
Good point. The fact is that Michael Schiavo had aligned himself with every pro-death, pro-Euthanasia group and Lobby in the country. All this is Clearwater, Florida... Scientology Land.
I think we need a bit of clarification here so you will be properly whelmed.
If ever existed a classic example of failing to see the elephant in the room, this is it. We are the elephant. (except I am on a diet...)
I am really tickled you are seeing beyond left wing mantras, but consider this. Terri Dailies has existed even after her terrible killing two and a half years ago. Terri Dailies have thrived and have been updated every single day, covering more angles than any other source anywhere else! We have introduced time and again volumes of compelling evidence as to what we know these days as reality. For example, you need look no further than what we read, that excellent source of OurFight4Terri written right after the event. Detractors simply are unable to disprove an iota. So they yell at us instead. Each day thereafter, Terri Dailies are updated with each item appearing in the news and topics directly related. The resources we present are vast.
Now, since you believe you were short-sheeted by the likes of us, ponder this. Because we keep rooting out facts and evidence, detractors swarm on us like flies, pestering with bs and mantras. As in the famed bugzapper threads we found ourselves swatting these flies left and left. The floors beneath our keyboards are littered with croaked flies. Naturally when a visitor shows up and challenges known truths with mantras, we think of flies.
Supposing you are willing to learn, please set aside the emotions and check out what we have before you. It is a banquet of truth.
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“and check out what we have before you. It is a banquet of truth.”
A wealth of information for anyone sincerely looking for the truth.
Great info in post 341.
Here’s more:
http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Humana%20Discharge%20Summary%20050990.pdf
HOWEVER, This quote from Terri’s nurse: “I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. [Another CAN] and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy,” Law recalled. “On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jell-O, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely.”
Taking away Terri’s feeding tube was just an excuse to kill her, when she was not even allowed to take nourishment by mouth.
And,
Carl Iyer testimony:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1367704/posts
And,
Quotes from Bob Schindler (Terri’s dad)
“Long before and during the malpractice trial, you made a number of commitments to Mary and myself. One of your commitments was that award money was to be used to enhance Terri’s medical and neurological care.”
BOB SCHINDLER: And after the money came in, it was maybe two months after that, and I confronted him and asked him when are you going to begin Terri’s rehabilitation? And he told me to mind my own business. Now, he had, you know, promised that before. So it was a complete change. And that was the onset of the problem.
http://www.zimp.org/stuff/contradictions.htm
Click for picture of Terri BEFORE her therapy was criminally halted:
http://johnsipos.com/terrisittingup.jpg
What concerned me was the connections of the judge. It has been some time since I reviewed the case, but I recall that they were such as to call into question his impartiality. What amazed me was that he would even make a judgement in the matter of Terri’s fate when he could have simply handed her care over to her birth family. I mean Solomon had already provided with with a precedent in such matters.
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