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Thompson talks of daughter who died
Yahoo News / AP ^ | 10/22/2007 | LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/22/2007 4:12:11 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

TAMPA, Fla. - Republican Fred Thompson sidestepped a question about the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case last month, saying he didn't remember the details. On Monday he said he's uncomfortable discussing it because of his own daughter's death.

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"And this will probably be the last time I ever address it."

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He added: "It should be decided by families. The federal government and the state government, too — except for the court system — ought to stay out of it, as far as I'm concerned."

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To: Sun
Even Nat Hentoff of The Village Voice stated more than once in The Village Voice that Terri was being murdered. If you take away food and water from anyone, they're gonna die. Nothing killed her but purposeful, willful, malicious neglect and intent.

During the last vigil in 2005, as each day passed, vigilers and people on the internet began wondering what happened to Jeb Bush? As Terri transformed into a dying vision, Jeb transformed into a coward. If he ever runs for anything, guess what? Our collective memories of Terri's barbaric death will ruin his campaign.

From gentlemen to jerk in less than two weeks!

321 posted on 10/25/2007 6:46:48 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: DelphiUser
We don't have to have stuff ready. Terri was murdered, the perfect crime.

On the other hand, FRED THOMPSON should have "stuff ready". He wants to be President and on matters of life and death, he's too hypersensitive to discuss them - ever. We've been here for FOUR YEARS. Part 1. They are trying to kill Terri. Part 2. Terri got to lie. Part 3. They are trying to kill Terri again. Part 4. They killed her. Part 5. Public awareness that this could happen to anyone no matter how many papers are drawn up. Strangers usually initiate this stuff for monetary gain or because they are twisted, and they certainly don't care...

How's that?

322 posted on 10/25/2007 6:54:39 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: DelphiUser; BykrBayb

Let’s make something real clear. You are attempting to make us look like we can put Terri’s entire case history together here for you and if we don’t do so,well, you tried to help us, but we are just too stupid? LOL Sayonara, delphiuser.


323 posted on 10/25/2007 6:58:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: floriduh voter

100% brain death which will start the heart anyway. SHOULD READ “stop the heart”. long day in the triangle


324 posted on 10/25/2007 7:04:51 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: floriduh voter; DelphiUser

FV, you make an excellent point. We’re not going to repost the entire case history in every post, but as you know, the entire case history is already posted here for anyone who wants to read it. DU is not the first visitor to make such unreasonable demands, and won’t be the last. (Hmmm, where have I seen “DU” before?)


325 posted on 10/25/2007 7:06:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. ~ )
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To: BykrBayb
Fred Thompson used his deceased daughter as an excuse to avoid talking about Terri.

We have now come full circle on this thread. I summed it up in sentence one. Game over.

326 posted on 10/25/2007 7:27:54 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: DelphiUser

“There’s a lot here that just does not add up to a whole number.”

Well maybe we’re making progress; there’s some hope for you if you at least realize that.

But you are taking this far too lightly which shows you are in some kind of denial. Why? I don’t know:

http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/bushnell.pdf

THIS shows that Michael Schiavo, and his friends, DID NOT want the truth to get outabout Terri’s cognitive abilities. Terri was severely brain damaged, but NOT brain dead.

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“She is fighting like hell to stay alive. And I want the powers to be to know that,” Bob Schindler told reporters after visiting his daughter at the hospice Saturday. “Anyone that has the authority to come in and to save Terri, they can do it. It’s not too late. She’s fighting and we’re asking you to fight with her.”
Bobby Schindler, Terri Schiavo’s brother, questioned why cameras could not be allowed to document her death. He called Felos’ description of Schiavo as “the farthest thing from the truth” and said, “My sister is being killed by dehydration and starvation.”

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/26/schiavo/

Did Terri Schiavo’s husband change his mind? According to the testimony that follows, he assured a judge and jury that Terri would be given proper therapy and care. However, after receiving the proceeds of the 1992 Medical Malpractice Trial, not a single day of therapy had been given to Terri.

November 1992
Testimony of Michael Schiavo, Medical Malpractice Trial
Q. Why did you want to learn to be a nurse?
MS. Because I enjoy it and I want to learn more how to take care of Terri.
Q. You’re a young man. Your life is ahead of you. When you look up the road, what do you see for yourself?
MS. I see myself hopefully finishing school and taking care of my wife.
Q. Where do you want to take care of your wife?
MS. I want to bring her home.
Q. If you had the resources available to you, if you had the equipment and the people, would you do that?
MS. Yes, I would, in a heartbeat.
Q. How do you feel about being married to Terri now.
MS. I feel wonderful. She’s my life and I wouldn’t trade her for the world. I believe in my marriage vows.
Q. You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?
MS. I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I’m going to do that.

http://www.terrisfight.org/change.html


Quotes from Bob Schindler (Terri’s dad)
“Long before and during the malpractice trial, you made a number of commitments to Mary and myself. One of your commitments was that award money was to be used to enhance Terri’s medical and neurological care.”
BOB SCHINDLER: And after the money came in, it was maybe two months after that, and I confronted him and asked him when are you going to begin Terri’s rehabilitation? And he told me to mind my own business. Now, he had, you know, promised that before. So it was a complete change. And that was the onset of the problem.

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/contradictions.htm


327 posted on 10/25/2007 7:33:06 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: BykrBayb; bjs1779; Sun
Here's the Petition to Impeach Greer. The author of the Petition numbers many of the laws that were broken but the lawlessness continued well after the date of the Petition. This is a good summary of the judicial tyrannist.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html

328 posted on 10/25/2007 7:45:13 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: floriduh voter; All

“Here’s the Petition to Impeach Greer. The author of the Petition numbers many of the laws that were broken but the lawlessness continued well after the date of the Petition.
This is a good summary of the judicial tyrannist.”

http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html

Thanks!


329 posted on 10/25/2007 7:58:00 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: nmh
Looks like the plug was pulled.

This sounds like the comment of someone who hasn't been closely involved in the decisions surrounding the death of a loved one.

People die.  Get over it.

With our medical capabilities we can keep dying people alive well beyond reason.  They're going to die.  All of the "miracles of science" that are applied to prolonging their "life" (that's in quotes because someone in a terminal coma doesn't have a life) are ridiculous and futile.  But watching over them through that painful process is hardly "pulling the plug." 

Yet it entails a lot of the same emotional and moral choices.

Aren't we supposed to go find someone (even a crack pot pseudo scientist)  to try some incredibly experinmental (and incredibly expensive) procedure to "save" the person who all the instruments say is brain dead?  If you don't do that, won't you be accuse of "pulling the plug?"

My mother died a couple of years ago, several weeks after suffering a massive stroke.  She was conscious and coherent, though in pain, when she got to the hospital and the doctors (some of the best in the world) performed surgery to try to save her life.  When they got into her brain they found much more damage and a much more serious situation than they could possibly cope with, no matter what they did.  She never regained conscousness. 

I sat with her for 4 days after arriving from my home far away from where my parents lived.  I waited to come for nearly 10 days because I knew what was happening, based on years of working on ambulances in New York City and the surrounding area.  She was being sustained by all of the "marvels" of modern medicine.   Nothing was cut, pulled or witheld. 

And she died. 

She would have died two weeks earlier without the "extrodianiary care" provide by Stanford University Hospital, but our society demands that we "never give up" in these situations.  That's to allow for the one in a million who recovers from these sorts of situations against all of the accumulated knowledge and expertise of the priests of Hypocratese.

Besides, the insurance company will pick up the bill.  And if they won't Hillary will.

Bottom line, I'd recommend those trying to hack at Fred over this comment with no better evidence than presented in the article should read Matthew, chapter 7.

Then I'd recommend that they spend a year or two working with people in hospice care.  Then they might be in a position to talk about this situation and the choices (or non choices) others have made.

330 posted on 10/25/2007 8:06:06 PM PDT by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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To: BykrBayb

“Hopefully our visitors will take the time to read it. I don’t have a magic plunger to force the truth down their throats.”

Some have been thoroughly brainwashed by MSM.

But many will open up their hearts and minds after reading the TRUTH.


331 posted on 10/25/2007 8:07:04 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: floriduh voter

Perhaps he doesn’t wish to discuss it because it’s an emotional, difficult issue, and he doesn’t wish to deal with judgemental folks like yourself who attempt to try and make him feel that he somehow did something wrong.


332 posted on 10/25/2007 8:09:20 PM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: DelphiUser
Son, you may be older than me, but you are making me feel like I am talking to my kids, Common knowledge isn't common and it isn't knowledge, it's assumptions based on everybody agreeing that it's true.

Where were you, member since 2003, over two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, when this information was not only more than common knowledge, linked to, posted on, and discussed, but just about 30% of threads, at least, were concerning Terri, Judge Greer and the laws he broke, as well as the laws that another Judge broke during those time periods? How about the Sheriff of Pinellas County hiring Michael Schiavo to be a nurse as this fiasco was ongoing? How about the fact that Terri's parents, confided attorney-client information to an attorney who later became a judge that ruled on this matter? That was also against any kind of judicial canon and, if I recall correctly, was illegal. There's more concerning Social Security fraud as concerns medicare applications.

That was common knowledge also.

What are you, Rip Van Winkle???

333 posted on 10/25/2007 8:17:21 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: bjs1779; floriduh voter; Saundra Duffy; Sun
This kind of sums up the "Attitude" i see here:
"I don't need to provide you with evidence. Her court file was approx. 50 volumes. What would you like to know? I'd have to drive down to the courthouse for you."
I am not in Denial, I'm busy.
I am not taking this "Too lightly" I learned to make jokes while paralyzed from the neck down, staring death in the face, it was the only way to stay (mostly) sane.
I am not a member of the Michael Schivo fan club and never have been.
I figure, largely on the evidence of that video, that Terri was indeed capable of deciding for herself (my blinking example earlier), it was at best a horrible mistake, at worst premeditated murder (more probably the latter).
I, like most of the public did not see this as an election issue for this year.

You guys act like I am the enemy, I am not. I asked a few questions, after stating my experience with pluralization as my motive to be involved and make sure I had the right to die if I wanted to. That's it. Beyond that, I asked a few questions.

I watched a video I had not seen before (spare me the recriminations on that, there are plenty of things each of you haven't seen either.) I stated that that made me think she was not (as I had hard) in PVS I asked a question about the light bar.

I got back sniping questions about my motive for asking, suggestions that I read "The Threads" and complaints that I was asking you guys to work.

Hey, if you cared, you would not feel put out by someone asking you for some data that you should already have / know.

I posted some suggestions on how you could be more effective in helping people "see" what happened with Terri. I was called lazy, stupid, and dummy. I responded by trying to play along with the "insult as conversation" thing. I was told to go watch you tube.

In short your recruitment technique needs work.

You want people to use this as an issue in the election?

You want people to understand what the tarnation you are talking about?

You want to have people agree with you once they do?

Drop the attitude of insults. Drop the attitude of laziness (yes, I just called you lazy) If you want your point to be clear, have a short (the reference I was sent to earlier was too long) Maybe three paragraphs, links to more information.

Draw your conclusion that this is an important issue for this election, and call people to action on it.

As for me, I was almost interested enough to build the web page for you, I was considering starting the Wiki I know how to do all that, but, Not after the way I've been treated here. I have seen the video, and yep, the Judge said no food by "Natural Means".

I have seen nothing that said the Judge ordered the priest not to give her last rites (church / State, etc.)

It's not like I think I would have been an irreplaceable asset, but, I am a voter, and you have pretty much convinced me that I don't want to be associated with THIS group.

Look guys, don't bother to reply, don't go away mad, just go away, OK?
334 posted on 10/25/2007 9:00:45 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; bjs1779; floriduh voter; Saundra Duffy; Sun
Look guys, don't bother to reply, don't go away mad, just go away, OK?

Would the last conservative to evacuate please bring our founder with you?

335 posted on 10/25/2007 9:11:29 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. ~ )
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To: nicmarlo
What are you, Rip Van Winkle???

Nic, you weren't one of the ones being rude, so I'll answer.

I went to some of those threads then, and when I stated that I had a living will, and had left instructions that after six months with less than 60% chance of full recovery to pull the plug, people got downright nasty. I was called names, and no one would answer questions... Not much has changed, except this time, there was a video, this time I actually think you guys might be right she wanted to live, and could communicate, but this group is downright embarrassing to deal with you guys make religion threads look sane.

Enjoy your thread, you almost had a convert to your cause, and if you've seen me on the "Mormon" threads you know how tenacious I can be for a cause I have signed on to.

But, before I had committed, you guys... well, I can take a hint.
336 posted on 10/25/2007 9:12:17 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

pluralization = Parilization, Sheesh!


337 posted on 10/25/2007 9:14:49 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
except this time, there was a video

That video, IIRC, was on those threads. And, BTW, all the documents you want produced...I believe they are becoming harder and harder to come by. When Terri was alive, her family kept a website going, just about Terri and updated it regularly with affidavits and court orders and the like (I don't know that status of late, though I know they have taken this on as a cause for all people treated like Terri).

There were other websites which also had links to original documents, filed with the courts. I personally know that one site, which had these documents back then, had its server attacked numerous times. The creeps who are and were behind killing people ("death with dignity") remind me of the same wackos associated with the green movement, etc. It's now been over two years since Terri died. As I said, it's become more and more difficult to link directly to documents any longer. Though many documents were likely downloaded at the time (which I did as well), I doubt many people have the capacity to store so much data forever on their websites, or wish to continue dealing with server attacks. I also know that the forces behind the "murdering people who can't speak for themselves" crowd have lots of money. There are lots of corporations/people that are profiting in the "death business." They're akin to the ACLU...virtual deep pockets to go against those who resist them.

You can easily spend the time searching on FR likely some of the best-recorded documentation of all sources. Just type "Schiavo"....you'll likely have THOUSANDS of threads come up. If you object to doing that because of the length of time it'll take you to weed through all those threads to find links, then you'll understand why no one on these threads is willing to do that for you. They could literally spend hours trying to find threads which have 1) links to sources; 2) links to sources which are now dead (excuse the pun); 3) links to sources which aren't dead.

BTW, many of us used to do this, ad nauseum, back then. Our reward for doing that was: arrogant/ridiculous retorts about the links some spent a great deal of time, even then, locating. Many of these joksters "demanded" links, and after getting them, continued to post just to bait. I don't know how many people got banned because of all the baiting.

As far as changing your mind or not changing your mind, honestly, I don't care. If your mind is dependent upon someone's attitude that you don't like, that's the wrong place to put your belief. I know that the Lord has told me the place I am to look is to Him, not at how people are acting or behaving in the world around me. People are people but He is God. He is the One to Whom I base what my own Christianity and beliefs are all about, not on what I may dislike or think is or may be hypocritical with people who attend church.

338 posted on 10/25/2007 9:46:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Nic,

Thank you for a reasoned and reasonable reply.

I didn't frequent those treads back then because I was not welcome, and I had not ever seen any evidence (until earlier today) that there was a miscarriage of justice, only impassioned statements be people with no backup (not saying there was none, just that it was not presented).

All the more reason for someone to build themselves a personal Wiki, names dates, document descriptors so this stuff can be found when it is important to do so. (No, I do not think that responding to me is an event that should trigger that level of search) but the snarky comments were over the top, and name calling? Sheesh!

The people who responded to me at first, presented themselves as being committed to Terri's fight, then they told me they were too busy, why didn't I go read the threads? Sorry, but I find that level of commitment is underwhelming. If it were something I cared deeply about as many here have started, I would build the Wiki, and put it on Yahoo groups as a document belonging to the group, instant storage, instant perpetuity, instant access and portability.

Nic, I truly believe that every technical problem has a technical solution, if you guys believe you have a duty to God to carry on, then what are you waiting for? I believe in God, I believe he will have some very damning words to say to Michael Schivo (pun fully intended) when they meet at the judgment bar.

I know what you mean about the "Ad nauseum" thing, I felt the same way about many of the questions I routinely answered, that's why i built my home page the way it is. Other people referee it too, so it becomes a resource, kind of like the Wiki, but less detailed.

Anyway, they were and are good ideas, maybe that is why God had me drop by.

Have a wonderful night's sleep, and may you have a blessed day tomorrow.
339 posted on 10/25/2007 10:28:07 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
only impassioned statements be people with no backup (not saying there was none, just that it was not presented).

I don't know what threads you were on, but I know for a fact that almost every thread had lots of links to lots of backup. I was on many, and posted tons of links/backup over numerous threads. Perhaps you may have "jumped" on a thread at particular point, past the point where the links were posted. They numbered to the thousands on those threads. Of course, what was previously linked would NOT continued to be reposted over and over on a thread. As you likely know, especially when there is "real time" posting on a "hot topic" even today, the posts could well be 100 in the space of even minutes. Links and comments "get lost" on large threads like that after awhile.

In any event, some people DID start their own websites, and their information and/or server was attacked...even multiple times. I also know that some others were surprised when documents started "disappearing" on the web and likely had procrastinated downloading them to a safe place. Building and maintaining a website is probably beyond the ability of many. And for others, they may not have even thought about that at the time but kicked themselves afterwards, when it was all but "too late" to get documents any longer. And for others, obviously there will be some who just had no interest or desire in "working" that hard. There will always be those.

As far as "carrying on," I left FR for a year, and it mostly had to do with my disgust concerning those who claimed to be conservatives but were all for "putting down" human beings because they were no longer "worthwhile" to keep alive; in favor of having our country overrun by those who have no right to be within this country, using up services and benefits to which they are not entitled....so some can have cheaper employees and lettuce.

I have nothing to do with the promotion of murder or law breaking....and too many in FR did.

340 posted on 10/25/2007 10:48:39 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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