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Slain Utah soldier told family he didn't expect to survive sixth combat tour
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 10/25/2007 | Matthew D. LaPlante

Posted on 10/25/2007 1:18:42 PM PDT by TheDon

Ismael Rougle knew. He served in the Army during the Vietnam War and suffered the loss of good friends there.

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And though she liked to pretend otherwise, Nancy Rougle knew, too. Her son feared that this would be his final combat tour and had told her so. They all knew the cost of war. "But not like this," sighed Ismael Rougle as he struggled to consider a world without his eldest son, Larry. "No, not like this." Ismael Rougle learned Tuesday afternoon that his son, a 25-year-old U.S. Army sniper, had been shot in the stomach and killed in Afghanistan's volatile Kunar Province. On Wednesday afternoon, the grieving father was bent under the hood of an old truck, his oil-stained hands contorted behind the leaky radiator as he recalled the day his then-17-year-old son had come home to say that he was going to join the Army. "I'd never suggested it," said Ismael Rougle, who had served 25 years in the Army. "But he had it in his mind that this is what he wanted to do. And he was so proud."

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Two years later, in the wake of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Larry Rougle departed for his first combat tour. He was 19. Over the six years that have followed, family members said, Larry Rougle served two more tours in Afghanistan and three in Iraq. "Six tours," Ismael Rougle said. "Six." Family members say Larry Rougle never complained about being called away from home, not even after his then-wife gave birth to a daughter, Carmin Jade, now 3 years old. He loved the girl more than anything, they said, but remained proud to serve and committed to victory.

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God bless you Larry Rougle, and your family.
1 posted on 10/25/2007 1:18:43 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon

6 tours? Must have re-upped.

Islam cost us another good man....

RIP


2 posted on 10/25/2007 1:20:14 PM PDT by misterrob (Seven down, 12 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: TheDon

3 posted on 10/25/2007 1:21:39 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: TheDon
God bless you Larry Rougle, and your family.

Likewise. God bless this fine man / warrior and his entire family.

4 posted on 10/25/2007 1:23:13 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: TheDon

Prayer bump


5 posted on 10/25/2007 1:25:27 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: misterrob

most of your military don’t have a problem deploying at all. the like the adventure, an opportunity to serve, and tax free money. They don’t like back to back multiple tours with little down time. Those that are active are pretty much doing what they want to do as a career. All they need is a little time off 18 months or so between tours to decompress, to reconnect with families.

Combat death is always considered a possibility, and its a roll of the dice. If one doesn’t want that risk, they shouldn’t volunteer. Even so, most are proud to serve and we shouldn’t grieve over this families loss. Believe me, his sacrifice is our nation’s gain. If Afhganistan falls, Pakistan falls. And Pakistan does have nukes and Al Queda.


6 posted on 10/25/2007 1:25:38 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: TheDon
God bless Larry Rougle and the entire Rougle family.
I appreciate your sacrifices and his service.
7 posted on 10/25/2007 1:29:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: TheDon

Our nation should be proud we have young men and women to fight the fight that the idealistic, rose-colored glassed cowards refuse to fight themselves, except through denigration of efforts, and failure to acknowledge our soldiers successes. Twenty years from now, this man’s efforts will be remember for a long time in his community. Especially when the full scope and depth of the threat that seeks to kill us is revealed.


8 posted on 10/25/2007 1:29:17 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
All they need is a little time off 18 months or so between tours to decompress, to reconnect with families.

That's the problem, they're getting a whole lot less than that. The new Joint Chief's chairman addressed NCOs recently and said how he was hoping soon to reverse the current rotation of 15 months deployed and 12 months back in the states. That's still short of the 18 months you spoke of.

9 posted on 10/25/2007 1:29:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

If we are serious about this war reinstate the DRAFT then lets see what happens.


10 posted on 10/25/2007 1:33:07 PM PDT by SgtSki
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To: Non-Sequitur

And that’s where the navy is coming in. When Mike Mullen was CNO he spoke at the OKC Navy Ball last year and told the sailors in the hall to “get ready”. Big Navy and reservists are being used as filler for army jobs due to the wearing down of the army and guard. Now that he is the CJCS, he has to ensure that his money is where his mouth is. Navy can drive trucks, fix em, do security, staff jobs, we are doing it all. AND we can to “play army” with all our new gear, something we have wanted to do at one time or another since we were 6 years old. Army just needs to be a little more generous on the side SAPI plates for the IBA.


11 posted on 10/25/2007 1:34:17 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: SgtSki

I have no problem with that. Also pass a law that all Congressional members immediate family members and cousins age 18 -25 are the first to be drawn up. THAT will truly show the world our nation’s committment.


12 posted on 10/25/2007 1:36:27 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: SgtSki

We may not have needed the short turnarounds had Algore, under the direction of Komrade Klinton, reinvented the Armed Forces by reducing the standing army by 40%.


13 posted on 10/25/2007 1:38:49 PM PDT by hotshu (Rush is RIGHT! The left is WRONG!)
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To: SgtSki
The draft and military end strength are to different things.

The draft would be needed if Congress funded the doubling of the size of the military. Since they will not fund a rapid increase in the size of the military a draft is not needed.

Liberals dream of a draft only for the protests it will bring to the colleges, just like the 60s. Burning draft cards, sit ins, if they get real lucky they might even bring about another Kent State - Oh, think of the fun they could have with that in the MSM.

I salute all in the service to our country today. Volunteers each and every one.

14 posted on 10/25/2007 1:45:52 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: misterrob
Islam cost us another good man.... Yep.
15 posted on 10/25/2007 1:49:18 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I blame Bubba Clinton’s “peace dividend”. He cut the military size down, relied more on the National Guard, and spent the money on personal projects.


16 posted on 10/25/2007 1:49:27 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: TheDon

How is it possible to serve 6 tours in the 6 years, since the war started in Afghanistan on Oct. 2001?

Those must have been very brief “tours”, or tours split between Iraq and Afghanistan and counted as two tours....

Something doesn’t add up...


17 posted on 10/25/2007 1:50:44 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: weegee
I blame Bubba Clinton’s “peace dividend”. He cut the military size down, relied more on the National Guard, and spent the money on personal projects.

And what, exactly, had George Bush done to reverse that?

18 posted on 10/25/2007 1:53:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: hotshu
We may not have needed the short turnarounds had Algore, under the direction of Komrade Klinton, reinvented the Armed Forces by reducing the standing army by 40%.

Yeah, but Bush has had time to reverse that, hasn't he?

19 posted on 10/25/2007 1:53:59 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

the folks I talk to, the ones still active, with the 1st CAV and the 4th ID, a few at Campbell, the ones who finally got out and are attending the community college that I’m the VA manager of, all pretty much say that they’re tired of all the deployments- the so called “dwell time” is bullshit...after a month of recovery, they were right back in the field, ramping up for the next trip...speaking only for myself, and my experiences, adventure went out the window with first contact...I’m not trying to pick a fight, but I do grieve over this young man and his family...I’ll hold one up for him at the VFW Saturday...


20 posted on 10/25/2007 2:00:25 PM PDT by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: weegee

Not to defend Clinton but senior Bush began the destruction of our military.


21 posted on 10/25/2007 2:04:10 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: SgtSki
If we are serious about this war reinstate the DRAFT then lets see what happens.

We had the draft during Viet Nam. Opposition to the draft was the primary tool the anti-war crowd had to turn public opinion against it.

And we would give the Democrats that weapon again because????

The volunteer military is working quite well, thank you.

CBO Weighs In on the All-Volunteer Force

Who Bears the Burden? Demographic Characteristics of U.S. Military Recruits Before and After 9/11

22 posted on 10/25/2007 2:07:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SgtSki

Exactly


23 posted on 10/25/2007 2:09:56 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Bump ! Bump! Bump!


24 posted on 10/25/2007 2:11:18 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: em2vn
God Bless He and his family. The sacrifice is greatest, and I thank them from the bottom of my heart.
25 posted on 10/25/2007 2:14:22 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We need a draft of ALL citizens 18 -25 because that shares the burden of the war fairly.

No one gets to be an arm chair general cheering the children and loved ones of OTHERS on, they get to pray for their own.

The loss of good paying jobs and the high cost of college is driving middle class kids with no where else to go into the service.

I say a shared sacrifice is needed


26 posted on 10/25/2007 2:14:47 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: ears_to_hear

No need for draft...just need folks from Ft. Livingroom to enlist...


27 posted on 10/25/2007 2:18:27 PM PDT by dakine
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To: ears_to_hear

Okay...you take the first watch (with) or be in the foxhole with the person that was drafted and didnt want to be there...go ahead...

For those of you wishing for a draft, please think very carefully about your position...

An all volunteer, professional, military...is far better than a conscipted one.


28 posted on 10/25/2007 2:19:32 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: in hoc signo vinces

sorry...”conscripted”


29 posted on 10/25/2007 2:20:25 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: TheDon

“I consider it no sacrifice to die for my country. In my mind, we came here to thank God that men like these have lived rather than to regret that they have died.”

General George S. Patton


30 posted on 10/25/2007 2:24:48 PM PDT by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: nicko

“pretty much say that they’re tired of all the deployments- the so called “dwell time” is bullshit...after a month of recovery, they were right back in the field, ramping up for the next trip...speaking only for myself, and my experiences, adventure went out the window with first contact...”

Bottom line is we don’t have the troop levels for a sustained combat environment in two theaters. That is why troops are being put through the mill. The effort, mission, and purpose is entirely worth it in my opinion and I acknowledge that that is up for debate with others, but Afghanistan cannot be allowed to fall, i.e. NATO pulling out. Too much catastrophic risk with Pakistan. Soooo, where do we go from here? A larger standing army, shorter tours, longer periods of down time. When you look at the big picture, and whether people want to acknowledge this or not, but our nation has NOT been placed on a war time footing: We don’t have a draft, we have not taken out Tehran, and we don’t strike AQ in Pakistan, and we could be more functional in Iraq by letting Iraqis go out on patrols and get their asses blown up for their country and we provide air and spec op support. I’ll step down now.


31 posted on 10/25/2007 2:31:12 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: TheDon

Amen. God bless and comfort the Rougle family. Deepest thanks and appreciation for Larry Rougle’s service to our country. Heartfelt prayers.


32 posted on 10/25/2007 2:31:46 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: PeteB570

Then if we are not going to have a draft, we need a greater troop capability to handle the two war front, which costs money. Why doesn’t Bush ask for it? Do you think we have enough troops? Standby for my answer.


33 posted on 10/25/2007 2:34:09 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: TheDon

INFANTRY


34 posted on 10/25/2007 2:35:39 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: ears_to_hear

Ha ha. At least somebody is getting it, and isn’t afraid to voice it publicly. AAand, bombardment is not troops on the ground, thus, no occupation. Terror from above. I’m concerned about that year of food in the basement, though.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071025/D8SGFH3O0.html


35 posted on 10/25/2007 2:36:31 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well said. I have to agree.


36 posted on 10/25/2007 2:48:09 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Okay...you take the first watch (with) or be in the foxhole with the person that was drafted and didnt want to be there...go ahead...

You got it! - People suggesting we need a draft are complete fools - full stop - end of discussion - They don't have a clue about today's modern military and the warriors fighting in it -

We do not need a draft in the least - And those serving absolutely don't want one.

37 posted on 10/25/2007 2:53:30 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I had nothing in my post about what I thought about end strength for troops.

You imply something I did not.

Since you did ask, I do not feel that combat arms strength is where it should be. Congress should have been more aggressive on funding increases to our military numbers since 9/11. Right now its in little spurts here and there.

To grow a fighting unit takes time. Funding a Division’s worth of troops takes 1) Funding 2) Pulling the leadership and cadre from other units thereby weakening them 3) Bringing in the privates and staffs 4) Training the individual tasks and then 5) Training the collective tasks. It takes time, time we’ve been wasting since 9/11.

Me? I’d like 4 more Mec Divisions and two or three SF Groups - but what do I know about such things?

38 posted on 10/25/2007 2:55:58 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: nicko
Yeah, that’s what I’m hearing from my niece, an Army CWO presently on her second long tour in Iraq. At this point, she says she is going to get out, even though she will be just a few years away from retirement when she gets back next year. She has a number of reasons for wanting to leave (like wanting to start a family) but mainly, she is sick and tired of all the deployments, including (as you point out) the stateside continuous training cycles (which is essentially another deployment in-between the combat ones). Oh, and remember that your overseas tour control date becomes mature while you are with the stateside combat divisions and you can be sent to Korea or Germany or some other place far away from home when you finally do manage to safely end your PCS tour with them.

I agree with you about the adventure part too. After the first time it is kill or be killed, it’s just very damn serious business that you want to be over as soon as possible and for all the suffering experienced along the way to mean something important when it is finally over.

39 posted on 10/25/2007 3:16:21 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: PeteB570

“It takes time, time we’ve been wasting since 9/11.”

You got that right. Its like 9/11 was the “Movie of the Week”, and that’s so...’last year.’

Europe will wake up when one of these fanatical groups decides to try and smoke the pope, or blows up the Louvre. These maggots go for impact.


40 posted on 10/25/2007 4:18:17 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Puddleglum

“Yeah, but Bush has had time to reverse that, hasn’t he?”
++++++++++++++++++

Agreed, more than enough! Too busy leaving no child behind I guess.


41 posted on 10/25/2007 4:37:59 PM PDT by hotshu (Rush is RIGHT! The left is WRONG!)
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To: nicko
Airborne & Amen Chief...that pic in post #3 brought tears to this ol hard-ass' eyes.
Good tag line, been there & said pretty much the same thing a time or two. Add a toast to the B.R.I.T.S. for the trooper.
RLTW.
42 posted on 10/25/2007 7:35:12 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
most of your military don’t have a problem deploying at all. the like the adventure, an opportunity to serve, and tax free money. They don’t like back to back multiple tours with little down time. Those that are active are pretty much doing what they want to do as a career. All they need is a little time off 18 months or so between tours to decompress, to reconnect with families.

I've been married to a soldier for almost two decades... and you're right. Most of them do love it. Right now the biggest disagreement between my husband and myself is that I want him to get out at 20 years and he wants to stay in for the full 30. I keep trying to get him to use his imagination and see that there are other things to do in this world than serve! lol!

Yes, grieve for the families. They lost someone who meant the world to them.

But remember: G-d doesn't allow good soldiers to die, He reassigns them to Heaven.

43 posted on 10/25/2007 10:26:56 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: river rat
Before anyone reads the following post, I must give this disclaimer:

In no way am I implying that the soldier featured in the above article is less than a hero or that his family is exaggerating his service record. I am replying to a comment made by a fellow FReeper. I am relating a personal experience that has *nothing* to do with the above stated soldier. If this offends you... get over it.

Carry on! ;-)

Those must have been very brief “tours”, or tours split between Iraq and Afghanistan and counted as two tours.... Something doesn’t add up...

I met a fellow military wife who proudly told me her husband served over 30 tours in 12 years... I was surprised and more than a bit confused.

Turned out she was counting every school and two-week field problem. Did a good job of painting herself as a victim.

Isn't a tour defined as more than 6 months in a combat zone? My DH served in Kosovo and Kuwait and doesn't count them as tours. (No combat stripe... no tour.)

44 posted on 10/25/2007 10:41:02 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: Captain Rhino
I'm a 17 year Arm Wife Veteran and I really hope we can get out at 20.

Why? Is it the pay? The pay's OK. Not the greatest, definately not terrible. Is it the medical? Tricare is a pain the butt sometimes, but I can live with it. Am I proud of him? YES! Do we love our country and our armed forces? Without a doubt.

Are we human beings who get tired? Yup.

I once had a fellow FReeper who admonished me for expressing such views. He said that I wasn't being supportive.

I've ironed BDU's, sent countless care packages, waved my husband's pictures in front of toddlers' faces so they wouldn't forget their father, fixed broken pipes and cars, managed the finances, managed life-threatening illness.. all on my own so my soul mate could put his life on the line to kick terrorist butt overseas so every American can continue to enjoy their double half-caff without a suicide bomber blowing them up. The mission has *always* come first. I'm an army wife. IMHO, I deserve to be tired and to gripe to my heart's content. To be perfectly honest, the thought of this next 15 month deployment is draining me.

Unless you've lived the life, you have no idea how hard it can be. Mine is one story in a hundred thousand. Do I regret my life? Absolutely not. Do I wish some things could've been different? Who doesn't? We made a choice, as a couple, that we were going to see this through to the end. But the troops (official and unofficial) are really getting tired and could sure use some reinforcements.

(And will somebody *please* shut up those Liberal blankity-blanks who're emboldening the enemy and costing our men their lives? If it weren't for those traitors, I think this mess would've been over by now. I'd really appreciate that. Thaaanks.)

45 posted on 10/25/2007 11:22:02 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: em2vn

The reductions started a long time ago. Post any war, but certainly post Vietnam. The AF I belonged too was 800,000 strong in the 1960’s. Now it is 350,000 and doing as much or more than when I was in.


46 posted on 10/25/2007 11:32:37 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Even so, most are proud to serve and we shouldn’t grieve over this families loss

That's kind of a goofy thing to write

47 posted on 10/25/2007 11:37:04 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: wita
The services could go back up in strength again and without the draft.

You may recall that the draft ended in the 1970s but the reductions in force (RIFs) down to the current force structure didn’t begin until the mid to late 1980s. In between, it was all volunteer force being sustained on the hard work of recruiters in the face of a growing economy and a pretty negative attitude towards the military coming out of the Vietnam War.

The real constraint on substantially increasing the end strength is not really manpower or money. It is lack of justification to keep that many well armed, well trained, and well paid service personnel on active duty without a clear requirement. A requirement arising in response to a serious military threat (or threats) to the nation along with a clear idea of what the force structure must be in order to meet and overcome the threat(s).

Looking back to the Cold War, Korea, and WW II is a mistake because the next major war the United States fights will be a “come as you are” war that may have all of the important issues for the war decided in its opening round. Consequently, you have this conflicting demand for economy on one hand (because paying, equipping, and training these forces to keep them in continual readiness for employment is very expensive) and the political demand on the other hand that the force be sufficiently big and powerful to deal with a simultaneous outbreak of major and minor regional conflicts and ultimately win them all. Win them all, I might add, without experiencing a lot of casualties to upset the political situation at home.

That's a tough hand of cards to play successfully in today's superheated and hyperpartisan politican environment.

48 posted on 10/26/2007 4:20:41 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: Captain Rhino

“the reductions in force (RIFs) down to the current force structure didn’t begin until the mid to late 1980s.”

I was in West Germany in the mid-70s when the RIFs began.


49 posted on 10/26/2007 4:36:12 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: PeteB570
The draft would be needed if Congress funded the doubling of the size of the military. Since they will not fund a rapid increase in the size of the military a draft is not needed.

Well the Smirking Chimp and Republicans have been yelling war for what 6 years now? Where have they ever put the money where their mouths are? The current Vice POTUS was one of our nations worse as far as gutting our military while Sec of Defense. No one not Bush, not either Sec of Def, not congress has done one single thing for our troops but give CHEAP lip service and gather photo opps for themselves.

The state department is running this war and we see the end results. It's a political war making friends of politicians richer. Had Bush went in and ordered Iraq leveled and pulled out I might have a different opinion but Bush is a liar. That can be proven by his comments on Nation Building second debate with Gore in 2000. Bush or Gore they are one and the same even the Smirking Chimp told us so.

In short the Bush Dynasty has been a living disaster for our military. It was indeed under Poppy that the gutting began. The cuts were already too deep and the problems well under way when Clinton took it even further. In the mean time what has Bush Jr actually done for our troops? NOTHING! I can say the same for Hillary Clinton, Lott, Nancy, Reid, Hassert, Frist, and the rest of them. What our elected are doing in both the Democrat and Republican parties to our military is a disgrace and both parties are just that a Disgrace to the blood spilled to make this nation free. Any elected leader that even dares to challenge establishment leadership and demand it follow the Constitution is immediately labeled a loon it seems.

Bush is about as detached from reality as any POTUS in our history. He ties LBJ in agenda. He ties Jimmy Carter in ignorance and incompetence.

50 posted on 10/26/2007 5:14:59 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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