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Rudy a Lefty? Yeah, Right.
The Washington Post ^ | October 28, 2007 | David Greenberg

Posted on 10/28/2007 4:43:03 AM PDT by libstripper

You wouldn't know it from reading the papers, but the favorite to win the Republican presidential nomination is a confirmed right-winger. On issues such as free speech and religion, secrecy and due process, civil rights and civil liberties, pornography and democracy, this moralist and self-styled lawman has exhibited all the key hallmarks of Bush-era conservatism.

That candidate is Rudolph W. Giuliani.

As any New Yorker can tell you, the last word anyone in the 1990s would have attached to the brash, furniture- breaking mayor was "liberal" -- and the second-to-last was "moderate." With his take-many-prisoners approach to crime and his unerring pro-police instincts, the prosecutor-turned-proconsul made his mark on the city not by embracing its social liberalism but by trying to crush it.

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KEYWORDS: antigun; autocrat; crossdresser; giuliani; gungrabber; julieannie; liberalstatist; proabortion; rinorudy; rudy; rudygiuliani; rudyisaliberal; sickofrudy; zotbait
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Here's a NY leftie who really hates Rudy. The article gives a good idea of why some of us here on FR are not totally opposed to him.
1 posted on 10/28/2007 4:43:04 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Pro law enforcement is not necessarily right wing. When the laws being enforced are those that infringe upon our rights, I’d say that the enforcer is left wing and pro government.

“Bush era conservative” is an apt description that means not very conservative at all.

That’s why many of us do not like Rudy and will not vote for him.


2 posted on 10/28/2007 4:47:45 AM PDT by Harvey105
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To: Harvey105
Pro law enforcement is not necessarily right wing.

Correct. Authoritarian views have nothing to do with which end of the right-left spectrum.
3 posted on 10/28/2007 4:50:39 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: Harvey105

Look...would you rather have the Clintons back for eight years? There wouldn’t be much left of the tenth amendment or the country.

We have to get real.


4 posted on 10/28/2007 4:51:03 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Harvey105

I will not vote for Rudy in the primeries but if he gets he nomination I will vote for him over any of the dems


5 posted on 10/28/2007 4:53:13 AM PDT by TLEIBY308
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To: libstripper
One emblematic act of Giuliani's mayorship was his 1999 attempt to censor an art exhibit because it featured a painting of the Virgin Mary that used an unusual form of mixed media -- clumps of elephant dung, to be precise.

Once again, liberals lie. Rudi found the trash "art" to be offensive but he did not try to censor anything. He felt it should not be displayed in a building that was funded by the taxpayers. Put it in a private museam or collection. Wouldn't vote for Rudi but I agreed with him on this stance.

6 posted on 10/28/2007 4:53:29 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: libstripper

I found how the World had been misled by prostitute Writers,
to ascribe the greatest Exploits in War to Cowards,
the wisest Counsel to Fools,
Sincerity to Flatterers,
Roman Virtue to Betrayers of their Country,
Piety to Atheists,
Chastity to Sodomites,
Truth to Informers.
(III:8;5)

Jonathan Swift


7 posted on 10/28/2007 4:53:38 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: libstripper

Rino rudy a liberal statist. I will never vote for the pro abortiion, anti gun, pro gay worthless SOB.


8 posted on 10/28/2007 4:55:00 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: libstripper
"Here's a NY leftie who really hates Rudy."

Baloney.
Reverse psychology.

The libs love McCain, but they'd be comfortable with Julie.

9 posted on 10/28/2007 4:55:09 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: kjo

For the record I will nver vote for Rino Rudy, I will go third party first.


10 posted on 10/28/2007 4:56:13 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: libstripper
Rudy a Lefty? Yeah, Right.

As is typical of David Greenberg and his fellow liberals, anyone slightly to the right of Karl Marx could not possibly be a lefty.

11 posted on 10/28/2007 4:56:23 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: libstripper
Voting for the Republicans just because they are not the Democrats is getting old.

I am voting on the ISSUES, not for a fancy Madison Avenue designer label...

NON-NEGOTIABLE issues:

1. War.

2. Border.

3. Terrorism.

4. 2nd Amendment.

Julie-Annie can go to hell and so can the Republicans if they are dumb enough to push that swill...


12 posted on 10/28/2007 4:56:34 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: TLEIBY308
[I will not vote for Rudy in the primaries but if he gets he nomination I will vote for him over any of the dems]

Why can’t the rino GOP run a conservative? I would find it impossible to vote for a liberal like Rudy or Mitt or McCain.

13 posted on 10/28/2007 4:57:14 AM PDT by kindred (I am voting conservatives like Hunter,or Third Party. No vote for Rudy or other rinos.)
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To: kjo
would you rather have the Clintons back for eight years?

You need to get real. Rudy is not our only option against that.

14 posted on 10/28/2007 4:58:03 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Voting for the Republicans just because they are not the Democrats is getting old.

Amen.

15 posted on 10/28/2007 4:58:55 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

BTTT


16 posted on 10/28/2007 5:01:08 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Hydroshock
For the record I will nver vote for Rino Rudy, I will go third party first.

Then be prepared to hear the words "President Hillary Clinton" every day for eight long, long years.

17 posted on 10/28/2007 5:01:35 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: libstripper
The game plan to keep the WH and remain alive (literally) is simple. Vote. Vote for Thompson, Huckabee, McCain, Giuliani or WHOMEVER is the nominee but VOTE!!!!!!!

Don’t be like the alleged “conservatives”on this site who I am actually am beginning to believe are plants from KOS or DU no matter how long they have been here.

I refuse to believe anyone would endanger their lives and the lives of their own families just to make a political point (not voting if RG gets the nod)not to mention put an end to our very way of life. This is why I have come to the conclusion that those who say they will stay home or vote third Party are liberals in conservative clothing.

The only other possible excuse is sheer mind numbing stupidity along with a stunning lack of the smallest quantity of common sense.

18 posted on 10/28/2007 5:01:36 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Hydroshock

That’s what the Nader people did in OO. Just enough of them to defeat Gore, thank goodness. Is it really what you want? Why?


19 posted on 10/28/2007 5:03:41 AM PDT by kjo
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To: lowbridge
anyone slightly to the right of Karl Marx could not possibly be a lefty.

And you can guarantee that if Marx were alive, well, and in politics today, there is a contingent on DU that would accuse him of being a FReeper.

20 posted on 10/28/2007 5:03:52 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: jalisco555

So? The world will not end if she wins. The sun will still rise, and Rino Rudy will still be a liberal worthless sack of bovine droppings. I have 5 issues that are my top ones. Rino agrees with Hitlary on all 5.


21 posted on 10/28/2007 5:04:06 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: kjo
“Look...would you rather have the Clintons back for eight years?”

Broken record. Broken record. Broken record. Broken record. Broken Record.

It’s time for you Rooty Tooters to come up with a new excuse to vote for Rooty.

22 posted on 10/28/2007 5:05:15 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: kjo

My top issues are guns, abortion, ED, immigration, and US sovereignty. Rino Rudy and her thighness are in agreement on all of these. So I will go third party if he is nominated.


23 posted on 10/28/2007 5:07:50 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Hydroshock
So? The world will not end if she wins. The sun will still rise, and Rino Rudy will still be a liberal worthless sack of bovine droppings. I have 5 issues that are my top ones. Rino agrees with Hitlary on all 5.

Sure, the sun will still shine and the birds will still sing. But the Fairness Doctrine will shut down conservative talk radio. Campaign finance laws and hate speech laws will shut down web sites like Free Republic. Health care will be nationalized and we'll all be paying for abortions with our tax dollars. And our foreign policy will be set in Beijing. None of this would happen if Rudy becomes President.

24 posted on 10/28/2007 5:08:53 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: kjo

And for the record vote Rino because they are not dems is getting real old for me.


25 posted on 10/28/2007 5:09:24 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: libstripper

> Here’s a NY leftie who really hates Rudy. The article gives a good idea of why some of us here on FR are not totally opposed to him.

Oh please— it’s clear this lib’s standards are to the left of Che Guevara! This ultra-lib probably bitches about Hitlery being too far right as well. Castigation by ultra-liberals is expected to be heaped on 99% of the population. That’s a mighty bit, filthy barrel to choose from, FRiend.


26 posted on 10/28/2007 5:09:42 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: libstripper

>> As any New Yorker can tell you, the last word anyone in the 1990s would have attached to the brash, furniture- breaking mayor was “liberal” <<

As any real NYer, except this idiot, would KNOW, Rudy Giuliani received the endorsement of NY’s Liberal Party. That’s right: Rudy LEGALLY had “liberal” attached to his name.


27 posted on 10/28/2007 5:10:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: jalisco555

And Rino Rudy would be jsut as bad. He is just as liberal.


28 posted on 10/28/2007 5:10:42 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: jalisco555; Hydroshock

>> For the record I will nver vote for Rino Rudy, I will go third party first.

T> hen be prepared to hear the words “President Hillary Clinton” every day for eight long, long years.

Not if we can knock him out in the primary. Won’t you join us?


29 posted on 10/28/2007 5:11:05 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: libstripper

Please be very careful about saying anything positive about Giuliani on Free Republic.


30 posted on 10/28/2007 5:11:22 AM PDT by americanflyer1234
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To: VictoryGal

Most likely, I can not vote for Rudy McRomney, the rest yes.


31 posted on 10/28/2007 5:12:13 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: libstripper

We can’t let our own “Clinton Derangement Syndrome” color our judgment. If we do, we’re no better than the moonbats and their BDS.

Yeah, we might have to endure 4 years of another, and probably worse, Clinton. But if we keep compromising our principles, where does it stop? In 2000, I wasn’t happy about Bush, but he was a better choice than Gore. But we’ve seen that he isn’t as conservative as we had been lead to believe. If we compromise on Rudy (who clearly isn’t as conservative as Bush) then what can we look forward to in the next election?

President Bush is as non-conservative as I’m willing to accept. He is the line in the sand.


32 posted on 10/28/2007 5:14:25 AM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: Hydroshock

mccain and romney are both pro-life pro family values. you can’t put rudy in the same sentence with those candidates even if there are good reasons not to support their nomination.


33 posted on 10/28/2007 5:14:36 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: wolfpat

bush was also a better choice than mccain


34 posted on 10/28/2007 5:15:37 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: libstripper
The article gives a good idea of why some of us here on FR are not totally opposed to him.

And outside of Free Republic, there are a whole lot of people who are not totally opposed to him. This could have something to do with that "current GOP frontrunner" status that Giuliani consistently appears to be enjoying.

35 posted on 10/28/2007 5:17:39 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: ari-freedom

SOOOOOOO True. But, like Rudy today, I felt like the MSM rammed Bush down our throats.
(BTW, I was a Forbes supporter)


36 posted on 10/28/2007 5:17:54 AM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: VictoryGal
Not if we can knock him out in the primary. Won’t you join us?

You know, there's not a single GOP candidate running that I can get enthusiastic about. As a New Yorker I appreciate Rudy's role in turning the city around and it's why I kind of like the guy. Romney does nothing for me, Thompson is OK, I guess, and McCain is, well, McCain. And the nominee will be one of those four.

That being said, I will vote for whoever the party nominates. This election is far too important for symbolic gestures of protest.

37 posted on 10/28/2007 5:20:07 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

I really like Duncan Hunter, but he is a dark horse and getting darker. A dang shame. He would make a fine president.

These are crazy times, people.


38 posted on 10/28/2007 5:21:45 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Hydroshock
And Rino Rudy would be jsut as bad. He is just as liberal.

Look at the four issues I mentioned. Rudy is the opposite of Clinton on all four. And that's just for starters.

39 posted on 10/28/2007 5:21:55 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: dangus
As any real NYer, except this idiot, would KNOW, Rudy Giuliani received the endorsement of NY’s Liberal Party. That’s right: Rudy LEGALLY had “liberal” attached to his name.

Any real New Yorker would also know he endorsed that flaming leftist Mario Cuomo over Republican George Pataki for governor.

Lots of Republicans are ignoring that big stab in the back...

40 posted on 10/28/2007 5:22:06 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: libstripper

this moralist and self-styled lawman has exhibited all the key hallmarks of Bush-era conservatism.

And that is precisely the problem. We don’t need any more Bush era “conservatism”. We need Reagan era conservatism. Rudy isn’t the guy to deliver that.


41 posted on 10/28/2007 5:22:45 AM PDT by saganite
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To: dangus
As any real NYer, except this idiot, would KNOW, Rudy Giuliani received the endorsement of NY’s Liberal Party. That’s right: Rudy LEGALLY had “liberal” attached to his name.

Any real New Yorker would also know he endorsed that flaming leftist Mario Cuomo over Republican George Pataki for governor.

Lots of Republicans are ignoring that big stab in the back...

42 posted on 10/28/2007 5:23:30 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: VictoryGal
I really like Duncan Hunter, but he is a dark horse and getting darker. A dang shame. He would make a fine president.

Sure, I think that's right. But he's gone nowhere and it's time for the "margin of error" candidates to drop out and clear the field.

43 posted on 10/28/2007 5:23:53 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
As any real NYer, except this idiot, would KNOW, Rudy Giuliani received the endorsement of NY’s Liberal Party. That’s right: Rudy LEGALLY had “liberal” attached to his name.

IIRC, he also had the Conservative Party endorsement.

44 posted on 10/28/2007 5:25:34 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: libstripper
the prosecutor-turned-proconsul made his mark on the city not by embracing its social liberalism but by trying to crush it.




45 posted on 10/28/2007 5:26:12 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
The game plan to keep the WH and remain alive (literally) is simple. Vote. Vote for Thompson, Huckabee, McCain, Giuliani or WHOMEVER is the nominee but VOTE!!!!!!! Don’t be like the alleged “conservatives”on this site who I am actually am beginning to believe are plants from KOS or DU no matter how long they have been here.

I refuse to believe anyone would endanger their lives and the lives of their own families just to make a political point (not voting if RG gets the nod)not to mention put an end to our very way of life. This is why I have come to the conclusion that those who say they will stay home or vote third Party are liberals in conservative clothing.

The only other possible excuse is sheer mind numbing stupidity along with a stunning lack of the smallest quantity of common sense.

Just like the "life-long, true Republican, rock-ribbed conservatives" who were so offended by our undeniably defective Republican Congress, didn't vote, and gave us the present DemonRat monstrosity. If the Witch is elected every one of us is absolutely assured of at least a 20% income tax increase since she won't try to extend the Bush tax cuts and will veto any Congressional effort to do so. The rabid opposition to Rudy seen here is a superb example of people biting their noses to spite their faces.

46 posted on 10/28/2007 5:29:24 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

That is what worries me, I want nothing of a “Bush era” conservative.

No more fooling around with this insane nonsense.

Go away, Rudy.


47 posted on 10/28/2007 5:29:33 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: libstripper
Well, what about Reagan. Reagan did not become Reagan until he became President. See Krauthammer excerpt from this same newspaper:

"...Well, what about Reagan? This president, renowned for his naps, granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants in the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill. As governor of California, he signed the most liberal abortion legalization bill in America, then flip-flopped and became an abortion opponent. What did he do about it as president? Gave us Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy, the two swing votes that upheld and enshrined Roe v. Wade for the past quarter-century...

This is a recent editorial by Krauthammer and it can be found: HERE.

48 posted on 10/28/2007 5:29:47 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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>> Then be prepared to hear the words “President Hillary Clinton” every day for eight long, long years. <<

Why, because Giuliani is going to be nominated TWICE? Two years after Bill, we elected the first Republican Congress is six decades. We lost in ‘96 because only-party-loyalty-matters types crammed Bob Dole down our throats, who then proceded not to fight against Clinton liberalism, but to make war on the class of ‘94.

People like YOU are the ONLY reason Clinton got re-elected.


49 posted on 10/28/2007 5:31:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: kjo
Look...would you rather have the Clintons back for eight years?

Heck, why not? Last time a Clinton was in the White House we won the House, Senate and Presidency. And it wasn't just a coincidence; the Clintons put people off. The idea that the Clintons are Mr. and Ms. Antichrist is just the RINOs way of shutting down (permanently) the Republican wing of the Republican party.

50 posted on 10/28/2007 5:32:38 AM PDT by Grut
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