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Core Conservative Beliefs
American Thinker ^ | October 27, 2007 | Bookworm

Posted on 10/28/2007 12:02:02 PM PDT by neverdem

I've recently read two articles (here and here) that have as their theme the fact that liberals, while currently riding the anti-War, anti-George Bush juggernaut, are defined by negativity and, in fact, offer no new ideas to replace the doctrines and people they seek to defeat.  In that regard, modern liberalism (or, as liberals have restyled the movement, Progressivism) is a political movement akin to the person who rips down an ugly house, but has no idea how to rebuild a new one, leaving the former residents homeless.  Nevertheless, for all their anti-this and anti-that attitude, Progressives at least have the virtue of offering an ostensibly powerful and well-funded united front to swing voters who are often confused or disinterested.

Conservatives seem to face the opposite problem.  They're awash in ideas, but can't seem to cobble together a platform of ideas that appeal to the largest numbers of people.  Instead, they're like high school cliques, with the Pro-Life crowd holding itself aloof from the Hawks, who, in turn, want nothing to do with the Fair Tax group.  Cliques are great, of course, if you actually belong to one, but to the American voters, looking at these disparate groups that can't seem to find a common bond, they don't look like a great bet to win either the White House or Congressional in 2008.

Since I would like to see a Conservative win in 2008, it occurred to me that it would be a useful exercise to examine myriad hot button issues to find core beliefs that will appeal to the greatest number of conservatives.  That is, I wanted to find lowest common denominator beliefs that, I think, still define the way most Americans think.  You can layer on the details later, but I do believe that there are certain conservative ideas underlying most issues that will resonate with the greatest number of voters.  

Obviously, since I'm just one person, I couldn't undertake this task alone.  I started a post with my idea about Conservative and Progressive beliefs regarding core issues.  I then asked my readers to contribute, which they did, intelligently and vigorously.  I've now worked their ideas and mine into this article, and hope to take it to the next step, with contributions from the larger pool of readers available here - or, at least, with a larger group of people thinking about positive, unifying ideas to counter the relentless nihilism that characterizes today's Progressives.

So, without further explanation or ado, and in no particular order, here's the list:

Immigration

Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe in immigration as an important part of American vibrancy.  They also believe that America is weakening itself by allowing illegal immigrants to stream into the country unchecked, both because this influx saps America's sovereignty over her citizens and because the illegal immigrant pathways can also serve terrorists.

Progressive Belief: It's racist to keep illegal immigrants out of the country.  For that reason, there should not be any hurdles in the illegal immigrant's path to the full panoply of American rights and welfare services.

The Supreme Court

Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe that the role of the Supreme Court is to examine state and federal laws, and lower court decisions to determine whether they comport with the written Constitution.  An even lowest common denominator belief is that the Supreme Court should examine only whether federal matters comport with the written Constitution, and to interfere with states only if the states enact laws that conflict or overlap with federal matters.

Progressive Belief: The Supreme Court is to decide what is right and what is wrong - and it can get help for this by looking to each justice's own private standards of morality, to dominant cultural trends, and to foreign systems.  Having examined the moral position, the Court should then direct policy consistent with its findings.

Abortion

Core Conservative Belief:  Whether you're pro-Choice or pro-Life, Conservatives who are being honest with themselves admit that Roe v. Wade was a badly decided opinion that, without any Constitutional authorization, represented a federal power grab of something that ought to be a states' rights issue.  Roe v. Wade should be overturned, so that the question of abortion can be returned to the states, where it belongs.  An alternative, of course, is to amend the Constitution so that it specifically allows or disallows abortion.

Progressive Belief:  Abortion is an absolute, fundamental right that must remain inviolate.  The main reason Progressives must win the White House is to put a stop to the Originalist Supreme Court justices that Conservatives have placed, and will continue to place, on the Supreme Court.  Only a Democratic President will appoint justices who will maintain Roe v. Wade's existence.

The Iraq War

Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe that, whether or not we made the right decision in 2003 to invade Iraq, it is a done deal.  Our only responsibility now is to fight wholeheartedly and to win. 

Progressive Belief: President Bush got us into the War to for nefarious reasons, mostly to satisfy his oil buddies in Texas and Cheney's friends at Halliburton.  Now, to punish the President and the whole corrupt Bush Administration, we must leave Iraq immediately, regardless of the consequences to America, to Iraq, or to world security.

Islamic Terrorism

Core Conservative Belief: (a) Islamic terrorism is real, (b) it is the product of a totalitarian religious ideology that has as its ultimate goal the destruction of non-Muslim Western culture, (c) there is no middle ground given its goal, and (d) we must fight it.

Progressive Belief: Islamic terrorism is the work of a few people angry at the US (and especially at George Bush), and the best thing we can do to placate these people is to (a) leave Iraq; (b) abandon Israel; (c) dump George Bush; and (d) engage in dialogue with the Islamic leaders.

Taxes

Core Conservative Belief: Government is a bad money manager. People make money grow, and lower taxes allow for a livelier, growing economy.  The inevitable result of trusting people with their own money is that the government, despite lower taxes, sees increased revenue (which is nicely balanced out by lower costs).

Progressive Belief: People cannot be trusted to make the right decisions with their money. It's better if the government takes and redistributes wealth, notwithstanding the fact that doing so slows the economy.

Religion

Lowest common denominator Conservative beliefs:  (a) Religion is a good thing; (b) It's okay if people's religious values shape their political beliefs; (c) It's okay to acknowledge America's predominant Christianity by nodding to Christmas and Easter, as long as no one is forced to observe those holidays or discriminated against for not observing those holidays; (d) People should be free to worship without government interference in their beliefs; (e) Neither government nor business should be forced to change their practices to accommodate one belief system over others (see here and here for examples of some of the changes demanded).

Progressive Belief:  Traditional Christianity is dangerous and must be stifled at all costs, everywhere.  Islam has some problems but, to make up for the damage the Bush Administration has done to our standing in the Muslim world, we must accommodate Islamic demands in America.

America

Core Conservative Belief:  While America has flaws, we are proud of her, since we believe that the American system and American values are the best human systems of governance yet created.

Progressive Belief:  America is an imperialist bully that seeks to destroy non-white people, whether within or outside of America.  Her power must be reined in at all costs.

Government

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe in Thoreau's dictum that "That government is best which governs least."  Much as they are proud of America, Conservatives trust American people more than any government.  To them, government is an artifice that can only legitimately govern with the consent of the governed. Conservatives also believe that individuals are smarter with respect to their own interest than the collective wisdom of government.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that government is responsible for fulfilling all citizen needs in all ways.  They also believe that the government's collective wisdom about individual interests is greater than individuals' own knowledge about themselves. 

Gun Control

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe that the only way a people can remain free is to have their Second Amendment right to carry arms.  They like to point to Nazi Germany as an example of what can happen when a government with totalitarian tendencies successfully denies its people the right to carry arms.  Conservatives also believe that, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.  They like to point to London and Washington, D.C., as examples of what happens when ordinary citizens are denied access to arms.

Progressive Belief:  The risks associated with guns are so high that it is government's moral obligation to try to remove them from the population entirely, even if that effort is imperfect (see, e.g., London and Washington, D.C.)

The Nature of Human Beings

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe that human nature is a combination of good and bad and that society's role is to control people's bad impulses through checks and balances that permit people's good sides to flourish.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that humans and society are products of their environment and, therefore, perfectible. The role of society is to mold people into better individuals and, ergo, better societies.

Multiculturalism

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives' idea of multiculturalism is still the old Melting Pot idea:  people who want to come here should buy into our basic systems of values and history, learn to speak English, and enrich our culture with their background while merging with the whole.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that every other culture is superior to American culture, so immigrants and ethnic enclaves should be encouraged to remain separate and distinct.  Not only that, they believe that it is the responsibility of ordinary Americans to yield in every instance when there is a conflict between the dominant American culture and an ethnic subculture.

Climate Change

Core Conservative Belief:  Conservatives believe that climate change is happening, but they do not believe that the debate is settled as to the anthropocentric idea that it is entirely the West's fault.  They recognize that the earth's climate is in a constant state of flux, and want more, less politically charged, information before panic begins.  They like the idea of alternative energy sources, since they not only enjoy clean air and water, but would also like to see fewer Petrodollars flow to tyrannically governed nations.  Again, though, they do not believe in going off half cocked.

Progressive Belief:  Progressives believe that humans are entirely responsible for climate change, that it is an impending catastrophe that could potentially end our way of life, and that the only thing to be done is to take drastic measures, even if they undermine entirely modern civilization.

   Bookworm is a crypto-conservative living in hostile teritory, and proprietor of the website Bookworm Room.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; liberalism

1 posted on 10/28/2007 12:02:03 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Conservatives seem to face the opposite problem. They're awash in ideas,

We don't have but one problem.

It's call LEADERSHIP

Bush biggest mistake is not being the leader of the conservative movement.

2 posted on 10/28/2007 12:18:31 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Popman
Bush biggest mistake is not being the leader of the conservative movement.

Bush is the leader of the compassionate conservative movement: No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D, IIRC. What did that do? Nada, except gov't spends more money.

3 posted on 10/28/2007 12:30:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Pretty decent summary. Now if only most Republicans in office followed the core conservative principles.


4 posted on 10/28/2007 12:32:10 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: neverdem
Core Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe that, whether or not we made the right decision in 2003 to invade Iraq, it is a done deal. Our only responsibility now is to fight wholeheartedly and to win.

The core belief would be not to turn and run once you're in a war. Fair enough. But if people expect you to get us into situations like this when we don't have to -- if prudence in foreign affairs isn't a core principle -- they may vote for the other side.

5 posted on 10/28/2007 12:34:59 PM PDT by x
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To: neverdem
Hard not to notice that cutting Government Spending is not mentioned.

The "New" Conservatives have no problems with big spending and big deficits. I miss the old days.

6 posted on 10/28/2007 1:01:18 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: neverdem

The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism,
Communism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and
that the last group hasn’t got the brains to figure it out.

- Bill Vance


7 posted on 10/28/2007 1:12:52 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: neverdem

btt


8 posted on 10/28/2007 1:17:18 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem
Great read but the problem here is what the author defines as “least common denominators”. These were the ideas that, at a bare minimum, qualified as conservative in nature; they’re distinctively small-l libertarian ideas. But what of the, to keep the inaccurate math analogy going, greatest common factors? I’ve discussed issues with some conservatives where, in my opinion, their desire to control behavior sounded Talibanish-like. And where is global commerce in this piece? Why was that issue excluded?
9 posted on 10/28/2007 1:17:25 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Popman

That’s because Busdh is a “compassionate conservative”, otherwise known as a liberal on a budget.


10 posted on 10/28/2007 1:18:33 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Busdh = Bush


11 posted on 10/28/2007 1:19:09 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Doe Eyes

This is because conservatives of today are still trying to win the argument that lowering taxes — to some so-called optimal point — generates more revenue to the government over time. We should have won the arguement by now so that are next objective could be met: further lower taxes below the optimum point so that government has less to spendand grow with!


12 posted on 10/28/2007 1:28:29 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Doe Eyes
Hard not to notice that cutting Government Spending is not mentioned.

Read the sections on taxes and government. It can be inferred. Besides welfare reform what other specific proposals have been made in the past that cut gov't spending? Without 60 votes in the Senate, nothing is going to happen. So why shoot yourself in the foot for Election Day? Entitlement reform is where the bulk of that spending is. Look what happened to the President's attempt at Social Security.

13 posted on 10/28/2007 1:29:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Ping pong


14 posted on 10/28/2007 1:34:51 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: neverdem
So why shoot yourself in the foot for Election Day?

Didn't happen when Republicans (Conservatives?) held power, so why should I believe that not mentioning cutting spending is an election ploy?

In 1994, the Balanced Budget Amendment was something Republicans campaigned for.

15 posted on 10/28/2007 1:35:22 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: LowCountryJoe
I’ve discussed issues with some conservatives where, in my opinion, their desire to control behavior sounded Talibanish-like.

There are left and right wing statists in both parties. Look at Rudy, a control freak if ever there was one.

And where is global commerce in this piece? Why was that issue excluded?

A lot of the base has been harmed by free trade and globalization. I've seen a lot of talk about fair trade.

16 posted on 10/28/2007 1:46:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Cacique
And until very recently, Bush hasn’t even worried about the budget!
17 posted on 10/28/2007 1:56:35 PM PDT by USMA '71
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To: neverdem

Author seems more a propagandist than a conservative. Wonder what he would pick as the best conservative book, columnist, TV talking head. That would clarify.


18 posted on 10/28/2007 1:59:54 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Doe Eyes
Didn't happen when Republicans (Conservatives?) held power, so why should I believe that not mentioning cutting spending is an election ploy?

In 1994, the Balanced Budget Amendment was something Republicans campaigned for.

Cutting spending is just rhetoric. What are you going to cut without going after entitlements or their precious earmarks that they pigged out on? All those years in power corrupted the GOP for whom 1994 became ancient history. I hope they don't forget what happened in 2006.

Smackdown! By Independents & Moderates

19 posted on 10/28/2007 2:04:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: x
The core belief would be not to turn and run once you're in a war. Fair enough. But if people expect you to get us into situations like this when we don't have to -- if prudence in foreign affairs isn't a core principle -- they may vote for the other side.

Here's what I think is the difference on war. Conservatives think that America and American values are valuable and worth fighting for when America's vital interests are threatened, while too many progressives do not think our nation are heritage are worth fighting for. But that doesn't mean that there's some conservatives who feel that America does not need as many vital interests as others do.

Another way I think of the divide is that there's some conservatives who are wary of war because they are afraid we might lose, while too many progressives would avoid war because they are afraid we'll win.

20 posted on 10/28/2007 2:16:15 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: neverdem
Cutting spending is just rhetoric. What are you going to cut without going after entitlements or their precious earmarks that they pigged out on? All those years in power corrupted the GOP for whom 1994 became ancient history. I hope they don't forget what happened in 2006.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. They lost in 2006 because they forgot why they won in 1994.

In 1994. they supported the Balanced Budget Amendment.

21 posted on 10/28/2007 2:53:51 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: LadyPilgrim

ping for later


22 posted on 10/28/2007 2:55:42 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Jesus is real, He will never fail...I will serve him now, and throughout all eternity! ))
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To: neverdem

bmflr


23 posted on 10/28/2007 3:02:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: neverdem

BUmped and marked to read later.


24 posted on 10/28/2007 3:03:56 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: neverdem
Core Compassionate Conservative Belief: Conservatives believe that, whether or not we made the right decision in 2003 to invade Iraq, it is a done deal. Our only responsibility now is to fight wholeheartedly and to win.

Core Conservative Belief: There are differences among peoples

some can only be ruled by dictators

intervening in the internal affairs of other nations is a bad idea.

25 posted on 10/28/2007 3:32:11 PM PDT by Penner
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To: Penner

The issue of Iraq goes back to 1990 and its invasion of Kuwait. Either we make conditions that result in a cease-fire or we don’t. And, if the conditions are not met or abided by, we enforce those consequnces of of non-compliance or we do not. And if we do not, we’ll likely have a weak image problem that might cause idiots to think that hijacking and slamming airliners into our buildings will go unchallenged.


26 posted on 10/28/2007 4:27:24 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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27 posted on 10/28/2007 5:01:43 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
The link in the following closing line of the original post above didn't work -- I've fixed it here:
Bookworm is a crypto-conservative living in hostile teritory.

28 posted on 10/28/2007 5:25:44 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

29 posted on 10/28/2007 5:26:02 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Thanks for the link.


30 posted on 10/28/2007 5:41:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping. “Progressives” are retrogressive.

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31 posted on 10/28/2007 5:48:17 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks neverdem.

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32 posted on 10/28/2007 6:02:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem

Since there was some question about the war plank, although I think it was certainly to the point on our present situation, I would add that:

Wars should only be fought if we are attacked, or to defend ourselves, or to preempt a dangerous threat that could be devastating if it isn’t headed off before it can hit us. Or, to put it more briefly, wars should only be fought in the national interest.

That would include Reagan’s war against Grenada, but it would eliminate Clinton’s war in Haiti. It would certainly not justify the war in Yugoslavia, where clinton fought on the wrong side, against our national interests.

It would justify the First Gulf War, and (IMHO) the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, both necessary to the war against Islamic terrorists, who have been attacking our country for decades.

It would not have justified sending forces into Mogadishu, which we did only for bleeding heart liberal reasons. But it would also not have justified clinton’s failure to properly back the forces once they were there, and his cowardly retreat in the face of the enemy. In other words, we had no national interest in going there, but we certainly had no national interest in bugging out and showing the world that we were cowards—one of the reasons for 9/11.

The pro-life plank is basic. You can make an argument that the basic inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is in what amounts to a preamble to the constitution—the Declaration of Independence. Or you can argue that the right to life is in the constitution itself. But, the strict constructionist judges differ on that point. It CERTAINLY is true that THERE WAS NO CONSTITUIONAL RIGHT TO AN ABORTION in the constitution or its “penumbra.” Roe v. Wade was exceedingly bad practice, and should be reversed, because it encouraged SCOTUS to go powermad and pass a whole series of equally bogus decisions. In other words, it not only violated the most basic freedom of all—the right to life—but it was the worst instance of tyrannical judicial activism ever, and it has encouraged justices everywhere to do the same.

It must be reversed.


33 posted on 10/28/2007 6:28:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

Conservatives over time in politics seem to have a problem standing by the tenants of the beliefs they once espoused.


34 posted on 10/28/2007 6:30:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Cicero
It must be reversed.

Yes, and never allowed to be brought into the political arena again.

But, I guarantee you that Hllbilly as POTUS won't provide a justice to replace the ACLU's mouthpiece who would even consider the thought.

35 posted on 10/28/2007 6:34:54 PM PDT by harrowup (Gore will end the Hillbilly-Backpack sideshow by announcing in November 2007)
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To: neverdem

A very good summary of the two prevailing political ideologies. Thanks for sharing it with us.


36 posted on 10/28/2007 7:00:46 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 10/28/2007 9:39:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
All of this boils down to one simple conservative concept--adherance to the Constitution of The United States, as it was written and intended to be followed by the signers.

“I find that America is fundamentally a Conservative nation. The preponderant judgment of the American people, especially of the young people, is that the radical, or Liberal, approach has not worked and is not working. They yearn for a return to Conservative principles.” – Barry Goldwater, The Conscience Of A Conservative, 1960.

“Conservatism, we are told, is out-of-date. The charge is preposterous and we ought boldly to say so. The laws of God, and of nature, have no dateline. The principles on which the Conservative political position is based have been established by a process that has nothing to do with the social, economic and political landscape that changes from decade to decade and from century to century. These principles are derived from the nature of man, and from the truths that God has revealed about His creation. Circumstances do change. So do the problems that are shaped by circumstances. But the principles that govern the solution of the problems do not. To suggest that the Conservative philosophy is out of date is akin to saying that the Golden Rule, or the Ten Commandments or Aristotle's Politics are out of date. The Conservative approach is nothing more or less than an attempt to apply the wisdom and experience and the revealed truths of the past to the problems of today.” – Barry Goldwater, The Conscience Of A Conservative, 1960.

Barry Goldwater, The Conscience Of A Conservative.

The Second Amendment - Commentaries
Reagan: The Great Communicator.

38 posted on 10/29/2007 11:30:49 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping. Bookmark.


39 posted on 10/29/2007 12:34:49 PM PDT by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell” Karl Popper)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Pro-capitalism and rights to property as necessary to a free society are two biggies the writer overlooked.


40 posted on 10/29/2007 12:41:33 PM PDT by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell” Karl Popper)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The most fundamental reason that conservative philosophers give for avoiding war is that war causes a government’s power to grow. That in the name of winning a war, a government will rationalize the elimination of freedoms and the extension of its prerogatives it otherwise would not be able to do.
41 posted on 10/29/2007 12:51:09 PM PDT by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell” Karl Popper)
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To: Just A Nobody

Conservative vs. liberal PING!


42 posted on 10/29/2007 2:34:19 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (“we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party” -- Duncan Hunter June 5,2007)
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To: neverdem
Pray for an end to abortion and the conversion of America to a mindset of life!

43 posted on 10/29/2007 5:48:28 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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