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THEY HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING (Bogus GDP, inflation numbers)
Financial Sense University ^ | November 1, 2007 | Peter Schiff

Posted on 11/01/2007 7:01:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: saganite
Or maybe it’s wishful thinking on your part since you want to believe those growth numbers.

I think it's wishful thinking on your part because you DON'T want to believe the growth numbers.

21 posted on 11/01/2007 7:38:05 PM PDT by Petronski (Here we go, Steelers. Here we go!)
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To: Tarpon
Cheapest doesn't necessarily mean most competitive. Quality and productivity is usually poor with slave labor.
22 posted on 11/01/2007 7:38:11 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Fred & Hunter '08)
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To: Travis McGee

When Schiff can back up his words with mathematics; I’ll listen.

However, as long as all that he presents are his “feelings”, then he’s just another Economic AlGore. He’ll have a fanclub, I sure, ... (they all do)... heck, he maybe even win an award or two; but that’s about it. [shrug]

Bring numbers or stay home, Schiff.


23 posted on 11/01/2007 7:39:04 PM PDT by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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To: chaos_5

well yes that’s true, quality does count. The Chinese just build enough product overage to cover the replacements. They assume you will tire of sending them back before they run out of replacement junk to send you.


24 posted on 11/01/2007 7:40:03 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Petronski

I would like to believe those numbers but I am always reminded that they are produced by a government agency. I tend to believe the stock market and the commodities market much more than the govt. You should too.


25 posted on 11/01/2007 7:41:12 PM PDT by saganite
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To: Turbopilot

Why raise interest rates? Why not lower to the lowest possible rate and then stop printing money?


26 posted on 11/01/2007 7:41:31 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: saganite

You are correct. The inflation numbers from the government don’t include a lot of things, like food, energy, taxes etc. Things that are absolutely going up more than .8%


27 posted on 11/01/2007 7:42:24 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Conservative 1st, republican sometime)
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To: saganite
I would like to believe those numbers...

Doubtful.

28 posted on 11/01/2007 7:43:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Here we go, Steelers. Here we go!)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
You have anecdotal experience of buying a representative basket of things at the beginning of the third quarter and then buying a comparable basket of things again at the end of the third quarter, and noticing a significant price difference?

Consider the lowly can of tuna. It has reached nearly farcical water/solid proportions.

While the price PER CAN has increased a relatively modest 25% in price over a two year period, the contents have dropped by at least 50%.

Apparently, the canneries cannot afford to retool the plants to stop using the old 16oz can so they just change the water/oil ratio.

The label is still correct (ie the former 16oz can of tuna now holds around 7-8 oz of fish) only the price and amount have changed.

There are many anecdotal examples like this, universally adjusted by the experts to discount their significance.

At the end of the day, people, regardless of income levels have a sinking sense "something is not right"

They are correct.

Best regards,

29 posted on 11/01/2007 7:45:20 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
But the real question is who is this guy, and why are his arguments so weak?

Peter Schiff is a noted Bear, well known as 'Dr. Doom'. He was trained by his father, Irwin Schiff, who wrote books explaining why you don't have to pay your income tax. As a result he is now in a Federal Pen!

30 posted on 11/01/2007 7:48:50 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: investigateworld

What are you buying that’s up 15 to 17% in the last 12 months. Even dairy products except Milk aren’t up that much.


31 posted on 11/01/2007 7:49:44 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Brilliant

Exactly right. The forclosure numbers are up in some formerly “hot” markets. I’m here in WPB, FL and the For Sale signs on homes are like campaign signs on a monday before election day. Most are on homes that were purchased at the peak and not on those of us who bought 5 or more years ago.


32 posted on 11/01/2007 7:49:46 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Conservative 1st, republican sometime)
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To: I got the rope

Huh? Interest rates are controlled by the amount of money we print. If interest rates were lowered to the ‘’lowest possible levels’’ it would be because we were printing money like Robert Mugabe.


33 posted on 11/01/2007 7:50:02 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Copernicus
There are many anecdotal examples like this

Anecdotal = unscientific.

34 posted on 11/01/2007 7:50:46 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: Ron in Acreage
The inflation numbers from the government don’t include a lot of things, like food, energy, taxes etc

The inflation # DOES include food & energy in them. They also release a seperate # that does not. If you do not see the word "core" it is the overall inflation including food & energy.

35 posted on 11/01/2007 7:51:04 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Copernicus

So why are grocery stores showing annual growth of 1-5% and not 25+% in the last 2 years? Surely you don’t think we’ve cut eating amounts by 25% in 2 years.


36 posted on 11/01/2007 7:52:23 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Petronski

Whatever


37 posted on 11/01/2007 7:52:24 PM PDT by saganite
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Adjusted statistics = unscientific

Best regards,

38 posted on 11/01/2007 7:53:48 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: rb22982
Who told you grocery stores show 1-5% growth and why do you believe them?

Best regards,

39 posted on 11/01/2007 7:56:02 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Ron in Acreage
The inflation numbers from the government don’t include a lot of things, like food, energy, taxes etc.

The government produces at least two rates of inflation. One, 'Core Inflation', does not include food and energy, the other does. As far as taxes are concerned, they are not generally considered consumable goods.

40 posted on 11/01/2007 7:56:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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