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'This Will Make Voter Fraud Easier'
WSJ ^ | Nov.2, 2007 | JOHN FUND

Posted on 11/02/2007 6:01:51 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

Why does Mrs. Clinton want driver's licenses for illegal aliens?

Sen. Hillary Clinton was asked during a debate this week if she supported New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. At first she seemed to endorse the idea, then claimed, "I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it."

The next day she took a firmer stand (sort of) by offering general support for Gov. Spitzer's approach, but adding that she hadn't studied his specific plan. She should, and so should the rest of us. It stops just short of being an engraved invitation for people to commit voter fraud.

The background here is the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as "Motor Voter," that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1993. It required all states to offer voter registration to anyone getting a driver's license. One simply fills out a form and checks a box stating he is a citizen; he is then registered and in most states does not have to show any ID to vote.

But no one checks if the person registering to vote is indeed a citizen. That greatly concerns New York election officials, who processed 245,000 voter registrations at DMV offices last year. "It would be [tough to catch] if someone wanted to . . . get a number of people registered who aren't citizens and went ahead and got them drivers' licenses," says Lee Daghlian, spokesman for New York's Board of Elections.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; democratparty; democrats; elections; fraud; hillary; immigrantlist; motorfraudo; motorvoter; spitzer; voterfraud
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To: COUNTrecount; Miss Didi; Tennessee Nana

21 posted on 11/02/2007 7:56:28 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: CindyDawg

I support digital thumb print scanning that wouldn’t be used to record anything about you other than you have already voted in this election, so you can’t vote again.

22 posted on 11/02/2007 8:03:57 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: Suzy Quzy
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to be feared."

-- Marcus Tullius Cicero

23 posted on 11/02/2007 8:07:29 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Liz
RUSH: That was the most pathetic skate; the most pathetic avoidance; that was horribly bad. Governor Spitzer -- she wouldn't even tell us what she thought about it. What governor Spitzer's trying to do is fill a vacuum created by this administration? It's BS. Let me give you the dirty little secret. Driver's licenses for illegals in New York, is all about one thing: voter fraud. Because of Motor Voter, the federal Motor Voter law, everybody getting a driver's license in New York is automatically handed a voter registration form. Five hundred thousand or more -- Mrs. Clinton just said a million -- illegal aliens. The potential for voter fraud here is profound, and to say that he's just trying to fill a vacuum?

El Rushbo Forced Hillary Question on NY Driver's Licenses for Illegals
24 posted on 11/02/2007 8:11:03 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: VR-21

“I’ve yet to hear one single Republican say anything about Democrat voter fraud.”

Fred! has.

“Drivers Licenses for Illegal Aliens: “Recipe for Voter Fraud”
Posted on October 31st, 2007
By Fred in Statements, Immigration

While Hillary Clinton was speaking out both sides of her mouth at last night’s debate over the issue of drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, what went unsaid is that this is a recipe for increased voter fraud. Under the federal “Motor Voter” law (the National Voter Registration Act of 1993), states must provide applicants for drivers licenses with the opportunity to register to vote.”

Yet another reason he’s the candidate we should all rally behind. Every other candidate always goes for the 2nd or 3rd best argument against liberal policies, Fred consistently puts forth our best arguments.


25 posted on 11/02/2007 8:14:57 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Miss Didi

Beautiful----we gotta get the Spitler--Hillary victory pic on youtube......and all over the net, pronto.

26 posted on 11/02/2007 8:18:39 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz

"Those (leaders) who cannot remember the past are condemned to (have the general public) repeat it."
George Santayana

27 posted on 11/02/2007 8:22:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

" Ole, amigos, let's go have a horchata and a churros in the Senate tacoteria....Viva Mexico."

28 posted on 11/02/2007 8:23:03 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: COUNTrecount

The hil wants it because she is desperate to get elected. She knows damned well that there will be massive voter fraud. She doesn’t care. For her, the end justifies the means.

29 posted on 11/02/2007 8:27:04 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: All

Map of First Private Texas-Canada-Mexico Trade Corridor

Construction of Hway in Mexico

Bracewell & Giuliani Firm Advises Cintra in First Privatization of Toll Road in Texas

DALLAS (March 1, 2007) Bracewell & Giuliani LLP (Texas-based law firm with global connections) advised Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a Spanish transportation company, in its successful bid to develop State Highway 121 into a toll road through Collin and Denton counties ("trade road" is four football fields wide).

The award to Cintra, approved by the Texas Transportation Commission, is the first privatization of a Texas toll road. Bracewell is acting as project counsel to Cintra with respect to the 50-year concession from the Texas Department of Transportation. Cintra will pay a $2.1 billion upfront and annual lease payments totaling $700 million. "Cintra was awarded this project because of its proven expertise and competitive proposal," said Thomas O. Moore, partner with Bracewell & Giuliani. "This is the largest transportation deal of 2007. This is one of only five deals in the country."

30 posted on 11/02/2007 8:43:20 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Qwinn; VR-21

Honestly fellows, if there were such a thing as voter fraud, illegal aliens voting, crooked elections, and all that sort of positively unsporting stuff going on in this country, don't you think our devoted RNC would have done something about it, or said something, or promise "to look into it?" Why, that's why we pay them!

I think, if such a low-down dirty thing existed, in which the Democrats stole the vote in major cities, flipping a state's electoral vote to Gore, Kerry, or anyone else, or corrupted the vote in a county costing that Rossi fellow the governorship out in WA, that our fearless leader GW, would have jumped all over it and corrected the situation. Don't you?

If there were such a thing as "Voter Fraud," our Republican leaders certainly would have backed up B-1 Bob Dornan.

BTW, how thge hell can we trust all of these "Death Bed Conversions" on Immigration and Voter Fraud, when Fred, Mitt, Rudy, John, and even Holy Duncan, Apostle of the True Conservatives, have never said a GD word about these topics before now? I'm confused. Now these guys suddenly wake up? When the country is overrun with 20 Million + illegal aliens doing everything but running for president themselves ... not to mention their citizen anchor babies and citizen grandbabies ... turning the USA into if not yet a banana republic, a northern outpost of Latin America, with a soon to be 30% Hispanic population?

31 posted on 11/02/2007 8:59:17 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: diefree; COUNTrecount

Good question. Let’s have a reference, Ok?

Because if true, it must be used in the campaign.

32 posted on 11/02/2007 9:15:18 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: VR-21

I live in King County too and was shocked to my core to see the blatant vote fraud in 2004 as well as the aftermath trial, excuses and coverups.

Sharkansky ( is a genius when it comes to forensic investigations of vote fraud. But it is so absurd that the current state laws require that vote fraud be determined before the election (such as duplicate or false registrations) rather than after. Vote fraud detected after the election cannot invalidated, therefore blatant ballot stuffing, even if witnessed and taped cannot be invalidated once those false ballots are in the machines and counted.

33 posted on 11/02/2007 9:25:11 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage

34 posted on 11/02/2007 9:52:18 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: Hostage
“Left to their own devices they are depreciating the nation’s human resources. It is imperative that government step in and guide them toward a healthier lifestyle.”

Sound Politics is indeed a good site. On the face of it Prop. 1 might address that problem, but given the way the rats are allowed to "keep counting ballots (most of which mysteriously appear late in the counting) until they get the desired outcome" I worry that they will even be able to keep an "elected" Elections Commissioner in their pocket.

The Democrats have for decades made election fraud a time-honored tradition, and it seems that everybody knows it. Queen Christine literally succeeded at what Al Gore attempted, but failed to do. It was done right in our faces, and later rubbed in by a earring wearing Democrat judge.

Since Republicans are generally at the recieving end of this, I can't understand why Republicans don't make it a front burner issue. As of this morning (courtesy of Quinn in #25) I know of only one Republican who ever mentions it.

I can't for the life of me understand why our local rats are not wearing ACORN around their necks like an albatross.

35 posted on 11/02/2007 10:56:38 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: VR-21

My “paste” in #35 was from another post. I apologize.

36 posted on 11/02/2007 10:58:41 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: Liz

“I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it.”

Duh, Why, Hillary?

37 posted on 11/02/2007 11:26:17 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Lazarus Longer
Yet for some strange reason both the RNC and most GOP politicians (including the President) are dead silent about the isssue....

On the national level it does seem that way but in NY at least the GOP is all over the democrats thankfully. And the dems aren't too happy about it. I'm betting next year will be even worse for them if they keep supporting Spitzer.

Dutchess Dems cry foul over GOP campaign literature

38 posted on 11/02/2007 12:04:57 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: COUNTrecount

Dean G. Skelos
9th Senate District Thursday, November 01, 2007

Dear Friend,

As you know, Governor Spitzer is planning to give driver’s licenses to illegal aliens beginning next year.

Yesterday, the Commissioner of the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles admitted that illegal aliens could use these driver’s licenses to buy guns.

I believe this is wrong and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security is opposed to the Governor’s plan.

When asked if this would allow an illegal alien to purchase a gun, Governor Spitzer’s own Commissioner of Motor Vehicles said, “yeah, I guess it proves who they are.”

Like the vast majority of New Yorkers, I don’t support the Governor’s plan and I’m concerned that it will compromise our security.

For more information about the legislation I passed to stop Governor Spitzer from giving driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, please click here.


I received this email this morning, my reply was that I am more concerned about motor-voter fraud.

39 posted on 11/02/2007 12:10:09 PM PDT by diefree
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To: COUNTrecount

thanks, bfl

40 posted on 11/02/2007 12:29:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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