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'This Will Make Voter Fraud Easier'
WSJ ^ | Nov.2, 2007 | JOHN FUND

Posted on 11/02/2007 6:01:51 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

Why does Mrs. Clinton want driver's licenses for illegal aliens?

Sen. Hillary Clinton was asked during a debate this week if she supported New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. At first she seemed to endorse the idea, then claimed, "I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it."

The next day she took a firmer stand (sort of) by offering general support for Gov. Spitzer's approach, but adding that she hadn't studied his specific plan. She should, and so should the rest of us. It stops just short of being an engraved invitation for people to commit voter fraud.

The background here is the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as "Motor Voter," that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1993. It required all states to offer voter registration to anyone getting a driver's license. One simply fills out a form and checks a box stating he is a citizen; he is then registered and in most states does not have to show any ID to vote.

But no one checks if the person registering to vote is indeed a citizen. That greatly concerns New York election officials, who processed 245,000 voter registrations at DMV offices last year. "It would be [tough to catch] if someone wanted to . . . get a number of people registered who aren't citizens and went ahead and got them drivers' licenses," says Lee Daghlian, spokesman for New York's Board of Elections.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; democratparty; democrats; elections; fraud; hillary; immigrantlist; motorfraudo; motorvoter; spitzer; voterfraud
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BINGO !
1 posted on 11/02/2007 6:01:52 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Thank you, John Fund!! It;s what I’ve been saying for 3 days. It’s ALL about VOTE FRAUD!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 11/02/2007 6:04:31 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: COUNTrecount

I wonder where all the third world cabbies in NYC get their drivers license and cab medallion??


3 posted on 11/02/2007 6:07:44 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: COUNTrecount

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...


4 posted on 11/02/2007 6:12:55 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: aShepard
I wonder where all the third world cabbies in NYC get their drivers license and cab medallion??

Iran.

5 posted on 11/02/2007 6:14:04 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount
"...I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it."

So do we, beach!
For the same reason your husband did it: to make getting re-elected that much easier.

6 posted on 11/02/2007 6:21:32 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: COUNTrecount
Motor Voter is better described as Auto Fraudo. It was a democrat idea and intended to encourage exactly the voter registration of illegals.
7 posted on 11/02/2007 6:22:19 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Sgt_Schultze

From article.

Measures that curb voter fraud on the one hand and encourage it on the other will be central to the 2008 election. The Supreme Court will rule on the constitutionality of Indiana’s photo ID law next spring, while lawsuits challenging Gov. Spitzer’s moves will be in New York state courts.
Despite her muddled comments this week, there’s no doubt where Mrs. Clinton stands on ballot integrity. She opposes photo ID laws, even though they enjoy over 80% support in the polls. She has also introduced a bill to force every state to offer no-excuse absentee voting as well as Election Day registration—easy avenues for election chicanery. The bill requires that every state restore voting rights to all criminals who have completed their prison terms, parole or probation.


8 posted on 11/02/2007 6:33:46 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount
One simply fills out a form and checks a box stating he is a citizen

Oh come on! Someone who broke the law to come here, someone who breaks the law by working and not paying taxes wouldn't break the law and check a box...no siree. /s

There is another long term issue here...how long before the Democrat-Socialist start using the fact that someone has voted as proof that they are a citizen?..see the vote proves that he/she is a citizen! After all, only citizens can vote so if someone voted in a National election they must be a citizen. Loopy Liberal Logic at its finest.
9 posted on 11/02/2007 6:34:35 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: COUNTrecount

There is an easy way to fix on site voter fraud IMO. As people come in, have people of all colors declare their citizenship at the border patrol check point station. Next step is the LE station for a thumb print to determine is you are a citizen that can legally vote , are dead, and are not voting “again” After that proceed at business as usual.


10 posted on 11/02/2007 6:42:57 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: COUNTrecount

“After 9/11, the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote.”

Who knew??????
Did anyone EVER hear this before???????


11 posted on 11/02/2007 6:48:33 AM PDT by diefree
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To: socialismisinsidious

And further in the article it states that libs in certain states, including Iowa, have sued to get the checkbox REMOVED completely.


12 posted on 11/02/2007 6:50:02 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: COUNTrecount

The 2008 election cycle will be the biggest voter fraud this Country has ever experienced. Is there any doubt?


13 posted on 11/02/2007 7:09:38 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: COUNTrecount; Liz
From the NY Post today:

“Clinton's handling of the issue also drew fire from New York Democrats who would normally be backing her "favorite daughter" candidacy.

"Until she takes a stand [against Spitzer's plan], I certainly wont be supporting her," said Long Island Assemblywoman Ginny Fields.

"If she's going to stay with that kind of attitude, it's the beginning of the end."

“One New York state Senate Democrat, asking for anonymity, said senators warned Spitzer in a recent closed-door meeting that the timing of his plan could cause Hillary agita.”

And agita it has caused…poor Mrs. Clinton. Seems like even the Dems are turning against her.

MIKE IN THE 'NO': REJECTS BESIEGED HILL'S STANCE ON 'ALIEN' LICENSES
14 posted on 11/02/2007 7:31:49 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1919972/posts?page=46

40 posted on 11/02/2007 9:31:48 AM EDT by kabar

This information needs to be spread.

How quickly we forget that the 9/11 Commission found that as many as 15 of the 19 hijackers were, in their words, potentially vulnerable to interception by border authorities. So why does this bill not address the 9/11 Commission’s recommendation for a secure identification system? The 19 9/11 hijackers had 63 validly issued U.S. driver’s licenses between them. What were they using that many for? They were moving around the country undetected and plotting and planning. In fact, as many as eight of them were even registered to vote. They then used those bogus licenses to board U.S. planes.
“They had 63 of these driver’s licenses between them, for the 19 of them. And these identification documents gave these hijackers unfettered access to nearly everything they needed to plan and carry out their attacks on Washington, D.C. and on New York City. And the identification cards also allowed them to remain in the country with the appearance of legitimacy long after their visas had expired and their presence in the United States became illegal.”

Cong, Ed Royce—December 7, 2004.


15 posted on 11/02/2007 7:45:45 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount
I've yet to hear one single Republican say anything about Democrat voter fraud. I frustrates me (and has special relevance as I live in King County, WA) that the brazeness with which the left opposes Voter ID to facilitate fraud, and the shenannigans at polling places doesn't get more attention than it does.

We're beginning to resemble some squalid third world country in this regard.

16 posted on 11/02/2007 7:47:14 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: Miss Didi

Last night the toughest immigration law in the Nation was passed in Oklahoma:

(1) gives full enforcement powers to police officers, firemen,

(2) instructs all schools to perform complete background checks on all students,

(3) any landlord caught harboring an illegal immigrant faces FELONY charges.

Way to go Oklahoma.


17 posted on 11/02/2007 7:47:22 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: COUNTrecount

btt


18 posted on 11/02/2007 7:49:52 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Liz
Great news indeed...Bill & Laura Ingraham were discussing it on The Factor.
19 posted on 11/02/2007 7:50:03 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Suzy Quzy
It;s what I’ve been saying for 3 days. It’s ALL about VOTE FRAUD!!!!!!!!!

It is indeed. Yet for some strange reason both the RNC and most GOP politicians (including the President) are dead silent about the isssue. ...even though the fraud helps Democrats exclusively. Kind of like the GOP establishment pushing amnesty even though the vast majority of the new citizens would vote Donkey. "The Stupid Party" is in full bloom these days.

20 posted on 11/02/2007 7:55:05 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: COUNTrecount; Miss Didi; Tennessee Nana

21 posted on 11/02/2007 7:56:28 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: CindyDawg

I support digital thumb print scanning that wouldn’t be used to record anything about you other than you have already voted in this election, so you can’t vote again.


22 posted on 11/02/2007 8:03:57 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: Suzy Quzy
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to be feared."

-- Marcus Tullius Cicero


23 posted on 11/02/2007 8:07:29 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Liz
RUSH: That was the most pathetic skate; the most pathetic avoidance; that was horribly bad. Governor Spitzer -- she wouldn't even tell us what she thought about it. What governor Spitzer's trying to do is fill a vacuum created by this administration? It's BS. Let me give you the dirty little secret. Driver's licenses for illegals in New York, is all about one thing: voter fraud. Because of Motor Voter, the federal Motor Voter law, everybody getting a driver's license in New York is automatically handed a voter registration form. Five hundred thousand or more -- Mrs. Clinton just said a million -- illegal aliens. The potential for voter fraud here is profound, and to say that he's just trying to fill a vacuum?



El Rushbo Forced Hillary Question on NY Driver's Licenses for Illegals
24 posted on 11/02/2007 8:11:03 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: VR-21

“I’ve yet to hear one single Republican say anything about Democrat voter fraud.”

Fred! has.

“Drivers Licenses for Illegal Aliens: “Recipe for Voter Fraud”
Posted on October 31st, 2007
By Fred in Statements, Immigration

While Hillary Clinton was speaking out both sides of her mouth at last night’s debate over the issue of drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, what went unsaid is that this is a recipe for increased voter fraud. Under the federal “Motor Voter” law (the National Voter Registration Act of 1993), states must provide applicants for drivers licenses with the opportunity to register to vote.”

Yet another reason he’s the candidate we should all rally behind. Every other candidate always goes for the 2nd or 3rd best argument against liberal policies, Fred consistently puts forth our best arguments.

http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2007/drivers-licenses-for-illegal-aliens-recipe-for-voter-fraud/

Qwinn


25 posted on 11/02/2007 8:14:57 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Miss Didi

Beautiful----we gotta get the Spitler--Hillary victory pic on youtube......and all over the net, pronto.

26 posted on 11/02/2007 8:18:39 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz

"Those (leaders) who cannot remember the past are condemned to (have the general public) repeat it."
George Santayana


27 posted on 11/02/2007 8:22:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

" Ole, amigos, let's go have a horchata and a churros in the Senate tacoteria....Viva Mexico."

28 posted on 11/02/2007 8:23:03 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: COUNTrecount

The hil wants it because she is desperate to get elected. She knows damned well that there will be massive voter fraud. She doesn’t care. For her, the end justifies the means.


29 posted on 11/02/2007 8:27:04 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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30 posted on 11/02/2007 8:43:20 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Qwinn; VR-21
VOTER FRAUD?

Honestly fellows, if there were such a thing as voter fraud, illegal aliens voting, crooked elections, and all that sort of positively unsporting stuff going on in this country, don't you think our devoted RNC would have done something about it, or said something, or promise "to look into it?" Why, that's why we pay them!

I think, if such a low-down dirty thing existed, in which the Democrats stole the vote in major cities, flipping a state's electoral vote to Gore, Kerry, or anyone else, or corrupted the vote in a county costing that Rossi fellow the governorship out in WA, that our fearless leader GW, would have jumped all over it and corrected the situation. Don't you?

If there were such a thing as "Voter Fraud," our Republican leaders certainly would have backed up B-1 Bob Dornan.

BTW, how thge hell can we trust all of these "Death Bed Conversions" on Immigration and Voter Fraud, when Fred, Mitt, Rudy, John, and even Holy Duncan, Apostle of the True Conservatives, have never said a GD word about these topics before now? I'm confused. Now these guys suddenly wake up? When the country is overrun with 20 Million + illegal aliens doing everything but running for president themselves ... not to mention their citizen anchor babies and citizen grandbabies ... turning the USA into if not yet a banana republic, a northern outpost of Latin America, with a soon to be 30% Hispanic population?

31 posted on 11/02/2007 8:59:17 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: diefree; COUNTrecount

Good question. Let’s have a reference, Ok?

Because if true, it must be used in the campaign.


32 posted on 11/02/2007 9:15:18 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: VR-21

I live in King County too and was shocked to my core to see the blatant vote fraud in 2004 as well as the aftermath trial, excuses and coverups.

Sharkansky (http://soundpolitics.com) is a genius when it comes to forensic investigations of vote fraud. But it is so absurd that the current state laws require that vote fraud be determined before the election (such as duplicate or false registrations) rather than after. Vote fraud detected after the election cannot invalidated, therefore blatant ballot stuffing, even if witnessed and taped cannot be invalidated once those false ballots are in the machines and counted.


33 posted on 11/02/2007 9:25:11 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage

http://www.royce.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=20648


34 posted on 11/02/2007 9:52:18 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: Hostage
“Left to their own devices they are depreciating the nation’s human resources. It is imperative that government step in and guide them toward a healthier lifestyle.”

Sound Politics is indeed a good site. On the face of it Prop. 1 might address that problem, but given the way the rats are allowed to "keep counting ballots (most of which mysteriously appear late in the counting) until they get the desired outcome" I worry that they will even be able to keep an "elected" Elections Commissioner in their pocket.

The Democrats have for decades made election fraud a time-honored tradition, and it seems that everybody knows it. Queen Christine literally succeeded at what Al Gore attempted, but failed to do. It was done right in our faces, and later rubbed in by a earring wearing Democrat judge.

Since Republicans are generally at the recieving end of this, I can't understand why Republicans don't make it a front burner issue. As of this morning (courtesy of Quinn in #25) I know of only one Republican who ever mentions it.

I can't for the life of me understand why our local rats are not wearing ACORN around their necks like an albatross.

35 posted on 11/02/2007 10:56:38 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: VR-21

My “paste” in #35 was from another post. I apologize.


36 posted on 11/02/2007 10:58:41 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: Liz

“I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it.”

Duh, Why, Hillary?


37 posted on 11/02/2007 11:26:17 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Lazarus Longer
Yet for some strange reason both the RNC and most GOP politicians (including the President) are dead silent about the isssue....

On the national level it does seem that way but in NY at least the GOP is all over the democrats thankfully. And the dems aren't too happy about it. I'm betting next year will be even worse for them if they keep supporting Spitzer.

Dutchess Dems cry foul over GOP campaign literature

38 posted on 11/02/2007 12:04:57 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: COUNTrecount

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Dear Friend,

As you know, Governor Spitzer is planning to give driver’s licenses to illegal aliens beginning next year.

Yesterday, the Commissioner of the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles admitted that illegal aliens could use these driver’s licenses to buy guns.

I believe this is wrong and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security is opposed to the Governor’s plan.

When asked if this would allow an illegal alien to purchase a gun, Governor Spitzer’s own Commissioner of Motor Vehicles said, “yeah, I guess it proves who they are.”

Like the vast majority of New Yorkers, I don’t support the Governor’s plan and I’m concerned that it will compromise our security.

For more information about the legislation I passed to stop Governor Spitzer from giving driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, please click here.

Sincerely,

I received this email this morning, my reply was that I am more concerned about motor-voter fraud.


39 posted on 11/02/2007 12:10:09 PM PDT by diefree
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To: COUNTrecount

thanks, bfl


40 posted on 11/02/2007 12:29:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Zerodown

I don’t have the link, unfortunately, but I saw a site that graded politicians on their positions on immigration. Fred scored an overall C, with A+’s in border control and something else important, but which was offset with low grades on things like penalizing employers who were tricked with fraudulent ID (and a reasonable argument -can- be made for that, in that it’s really the federal government’s job, not employers). Not a -terrific- record, but nothing to be overwhelmingly ashamed of either, especially since it was in the 90’s and it wasn’t exactly a hot issue then. I do think, out of the big 5 contenders, between that record and the positions he’s staking out now he has the best record overall on immigration.

Qwinn


41 posted on 11/02/2007 12:58:42 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: socialismisinsidious

Now yer just thinking outside the box...

That’s going to become illegal too very soon...

[snarf, snicker]


42 posted on 11/02/2007 1:08:40 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Logical me
The 2008 election cycle will be the biggest voter fraud this Country has ever experienced. Is there any doubt?

the dims and especially clintoon inc. have been pumping up the fraud system for a looooong time . IMO thats why they were so peeved in 2000. To them there was no possible way they could lose, the fix was in.

This is the reason I think her heinyous will be tough to beat in the general, unless its a complete landslide [ which will look like a dead heat ].

For this reason alone I think a divided dim primary is a good thing...

43 posted on 11/02/2007 1:12:14 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: COUNTrecount; Suzy Quzy

You said it! Illegals are already pros at cheating. This will be a cakewalk for them.


44 posted on 11/02/2007 1:38:18 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: COUNTrecount

Maybe I’m missing something here, but don’t you have to provide a SS Number when you apply for a license? I know I did when I applied for my license. They don’t print it on your license, but I had to either show them my SS card, or provide them with the number when I applied for my license. With Motor Voter, has this been done away with?

If so, then if someone who already has a valid license wants to assume another identity, then all they have to do is give a phony name, say they are a citizen, and Wham! they have a new license, a new identity, and can vote twice in an election.

Or am I wrong?


45 posted on 11/02/2007 2:04:18 PM PDT by murron
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To: murron
Or am I wrong?

No you're not. In NY the law requires a SSN to get a license and his office has publicly stated they are going to arbitrarily roll that back. Spitzer has convinced himself he was appointed king.

46 posted on 11/02/2007 2:08:19 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Sgt_Schultze

“Motor Voter is better described as Auto Fraudo.”

Auto Fraudo. That’s a good one. You need to send that into Rush. That is funny.


47 posted on 11/02/2007 2:10:34 PM PDT by murron
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To: COUNTrecount
.....Of course, Mrs. $hrillary William Jefferson Blight Klintoon (Bubbette) AND Mr. Bubba William Jefferson Blight Klintoon (Bubba/Slick Willie/very little willie) et al.....didn't have this "in mind" from the start (Federal Motor = Voter Fraud).....but, rem: "we were warned, back then, too"
48 posted on 11/02/2007 2:10:34 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, Fred, Run. :^)
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To: Qwinn
between that record and the positions he’s staking out now he has the best record overall on immigration

Agree, Fred deserves a C. However, now that the entire nation has been hispanified, it's a bit late to claim to have been anti-illegal immigration. It's been a hot issue since the late 1960's.

Yes, the Border should be strictly controlled. Yes illegal aliens should be deported, but the illegal parents of American Citizens are usually not, as a matter of policy, if not law, deported.

49 posted on 11/02/2007 2:12:22 PM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Well that tells you right there that this isn’t to keep track of illegals, but a more sinister motive.


50 posted on 11/02/2007 2:12:57 PM PDT by murron
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