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When Fred Met Tim: Evaluating Thompson on Meet The Press
The National Review ^ | Sunday, November 04, 2007 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/04/2007 6:37:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

I had said Fred Thompson could do him a lot of good if he passed “the Russert primary” with flying colors.

His campaign had been dismissing the Washington press corps, and implicitly running against the media, refusing to do the things candidates traditionally do (enter early, do five events a day, appear at the New Hampshire debate instead of the Tonight Show). But every once in a while a Washington media institution really does matter, and Meet the Press is one of them. Simply because Tim Russert, without commercial interruption, will throw hardballs and curveballs for a solid half hour, and standard delaying tactics won’t work. Also, his research staff can find every awkward quote from 1974 that every candidate dreads. Generally, a candidate who can handle Meet the Press well can handle just about any other live interview.

This morning I had caught a brief snippet – his discussion of Iraq - and thought he was striking out. I thought the reference to “generals we respect” was so odd, I wondered if he had forgotten David Petraeus’s name.

Having just watched it on the DVR, I thought it was a very, very solid performance. Ground rule double.

My initial shallow thought was that Thompson still looks a bit on the gaunt side. Then, during the interview:

“You’ve lost a lot of weight. Is it health related?”

“Coming from you, Tim, I’ll take that as a compliment.” Ouch. Thompson says no, it’s not health related, it’s just that his wife has him on a diet to watch his cholesterol. He says he had additional tests for his Lymphoma in September and was the results were all clear.

Every once in a while Thompson slipped up - I think he suggested that oil was selling at “nah-eight hundred dollars a barrel”, and I’m wary of his quoted statistic that car bombs in Iraq are down 80 percent – but overall, Thompson was measured, modest, serious, and completely at ease. After a couple of debates, it’s odd to watch a man not trying to squeeze his talking points into an answer, and instead speaking in paragraphs, conversational and informed.

Jen Rubin wrote, “He does not answer questions linearly with a direct answer to the question but rather talks about the subject matter. Some find this thoughtful and other think he is vamping and unfocused.” His talk on Iran was a perfect example, in that Thompson’s position isn’t terribly different from the rest of the field – he doesn’t want to use force, but he’ll keep that option open - but as he talks at length about the risks and benefits and factors that would go into a military strike, the audience, I think, will feel reassuring that if Thompson needs to face that decision, he will have weighed each option carefully.

That voice is fatherly, reassuring, calm. The contrast to Hillary couldn’t be sharper.

I’m going to say ‘well-briefed,’ but I know that will just spur one of the Thompson Associates to call me to tell me that’s not a sign of others briefing him, that’s a sign of Thompson’s own reading and study of the issues.

I was about to say that he was almost too conversational, that he could have used one quip or pithy summation at his views, and then, finally, at the tail end of his question on Schiavo, he summed up, “the less government, the better.”

I’m hearing that David Brody listened to the section on abortion and Thompson’s expression of federalism in this area, and has concluded, “all he needs now is to buy the gun that shoots him in the foot.” Look, if Fred Thompson isn’t pro-life enough for social conservatives, then nobody short of Mike Huckabee is. If Huckabee gets the nomination, great, I’d love to see Hillary Clinton go up against the Republican mirror-image of her husband’s rhetorical skills. But it feels like the past few months have been an escalating series of vetoes from various factions within the GOP. I’ve seen more amiable compromises on the United Nations Security Council.

Let me lay it out for every Republican primary voter. You support the guy you want, you rally for him, you write some checks, you vote in the primaries… and maybe your guy wins, maybe he loses. If the guy who beats your guy is half a loaf, you shrug your shoulders, hope your guy is his running mate, and get ready for the general. Life goes on.


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Fred vs. Hillary will look like Reagan vs. Mondale.
1 posted on 11/04/2007 6:37:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred will be “evaluated” in the primaries. I don’t give a hoot in heck what Tim Russert thinks. He’s just one vote, if he bothers. My subdivision has about 600 votes!


2 posted on 11/04/2007 6:42:14 PM PST by Tax-chick (When my mother ship lands, you're all toast!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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3 posted on 11/04/2007 6:42:29 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think Fred did great today. He was straight forward and completely non evasive. What a refreshing change! He also knew what the hell he was talking about and that's nice too. I think some people might have a hard time with his federalist views regading abortion but I don't. I say overturn Roe v Wade and then lket's fight it out at the state level...

Go Fred Go!

4 posted on 11/04/2007 6:47:08 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I love this statement:

“Let me lay it out for every Republican primary voter. You support the guy you want, you rally for him, you write some checks, you vote in the primaries… and maybe your guy wins, maybe he loses. If the guy who beats your guy is half a loaf, you shrug your shoulders, hope your guy is his running mate, and get ready for the general. Life goes on.”

Would that all FReepers who love their country would adopt this common-sense approach this election year.


5 posted on 11/04/2007 6:48:36 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Tax-chick

While that is technically true; that’s like saying that Rush Limbaugh “has a little radio show” or that Mitt and Rudy are “slightly” to the left of Hillary Clinton.


6 posted on 11/04/2007 6:49:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No. Reagan vs Carter.


7 posted on 11/04/2007 6:49:42 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Hillary is smarter and more dangerous (evil) than Carter. Obama or Edwards are more like Carter, idiots who may mean well but are clueless. Hillary doesn’t mean well.
8 posted on 11/04/2007 6:59:46 PM PST by tips up
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To: Jedidah
This is a good approach. The conservative causes we care about will be set back decades if one of the Dems gets in the White House and gets to appoint the next 1-2 SCOTUS justices.
9 posted on 11/04/2007 7:02:54 PM PST by tips up
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To: Jedidah

“If the guy who beats your guy is half a loaf, you shrug your shoulders, hope your guy is his running mate, and get ready for the general. Life goes on.”

Would that all FReepers who love their country would adopt this common-sense approach this election year.
them.”

I haven’t heard anyone disputing this philosophy. If the eventually nominee is, as the quote says, worth half a loaf, I’m sure Freepers will rally behind him.


10 posted on 11/04/2007 7:06:08 PM PST by COgamer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fred had no coherent answer on abortion. He hemmed and hawed and hawed and hemmed. In the end he meekly said the killing could go on. He said he was personally against it but could understand and accept why some people (states) might be for it.

C'est la vie! (Or is it "c'est le mort"?)

11 posted on 11/04/2007 7:08:41 PM PST by JCEccles (Fred Thompson is to abortion and gay marriage what Neville Chamberlain was to fascism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I thought the reference to “generals we respect” was so odd, I wondered if he had forgotten David Petraeus’s name.
I watched the whole interview and I thought "generals we respect" was completely in context with Fred's train of thought. Petraeus isn't the only general in Iraq and the left has been telling us that they are all untrustworthy. I think the writer is laboring a minor point to prove he can be as "incisive" as the liberals.

I thought Fred was excellent in the interview, thoughtful and in control.

I fear that sometimes "conservative" writers have to show their "credentials" to their drinking pals in the DC bars... and this might be a case in point.

12 posted on 11/04/2007 7:11:47 PM PST by samtheman
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To: JCEccles
Did you even read the transcript or watch the show? I thought Fred was pretty straight-forward; it sounds like you just didn't like what he was saying. FredThompsonNews
13 posted on 11/04/2007 7:11:48 PM PST by jaybeegee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If the guy who beats your guy is half a loaf, you shrug your shoulders, hope your guy is his running mate, and get ready for the general.”

So true. This talk of third party stuff is crazy.


14 posted on 11/04/2007 7:12:48 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a great analogy! Clinton vs. Thompson looks like Mondale vs. Reagan.

How much interaction did Hillary and Fred have during the Watergate investigation? Anybody know? Are they old adversaries?


15 posted on 11/04/2007 7:18:55 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: JCEccles

Actually Fred’s postion on this issue is the one I have held for years. Naturally, I think it is logical, sensible, and defensible.

I really like the way Fred put it; something to the effect that people are free to enact laws that even Fred Thompson doesn’t like. Speaking for myself, there are PLENTY of laws that legislatures have enacted that I don’t like.

What you and folks like you need to reconcile yourselves to is that we Americans don’t live in a dictatorship, and what’s more, we don’t want to. All an individual can do is to be just and well-considered in his own time. Fred has complied a 100% pro-life voting record. Fred has clearly described his own views on abortion, and pre-natal life.

He also believes in the power of state legislatures to act on behalf of the people of their states to enact laws that he does not approve of.

Or that you don’t approve of. That seems to be your big beef. I’d suggest that you might consider that you are only one of 200 million plus. You don’t get to decide things all by yourself.

Neither does a President, even one that might be named Fred Thompson.


16 posted on 11/04/2007 7:26:58 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Regan ran on a Conservative platform. It is the winning platform. However, I agree with Fred Thompson that it is not necessary to have a Constitutional Amendment to ban abortion. If each state bans abortion...that is it, just as soon as the Court overturns Roe vs. Wade.

There will possibly be 2 or even 3 more vacancies on the Supreme Court within the next 8 years. This is the opportunity Conservatives have been waiting for. Our Country is in great peril if the moral decay continues downhill. The Court did this to our country with Roe vs. Wade and the Court can reverse their decision just as easily by overturning this horrid ruling.

The one thing no Court or President can do is bring back the 50 million babies taken under the banner of "Choice." Live with that number in your head when you remember which of these candidates has always been for "Life." Rudy, certainly not, Mitt, today, but what about tomorrow? Huckabee, yes, but a social Conservative he is NOT! He, like Hillary, would turn our Country into a nanny state.

It would require a "willing suspension of disbelief" to conclude that any democRAT would be in any way beneficial to our Country.

Fred Thompson looked very presidential today. He set the pace from the beginning, and Russert did not bully him. It will be a very good day when we get to see Fred vs. Hillary at a one on one debate.

17 posted on 11/04/2007 7:27:24 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN GRANDMA FREEPER, and a LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But it feels like the past few months have been an escalating series of vetoes from various factions within the GOP. I’ve seen more amiable compromises on the United Nations Security Council.

I see this here, folks having not just one but a whole list of GOP candidates that they will never ever vote for, no matter what.

I've limited myself to just one. The leftwing mayor.

Let me lay it out for every Republican primary voter. You support the guy you want, you rally for him, you write some checks, you vote in the primaries… and maybe your guy wins, maybe he loses. If the guy who beats your guy is half a loaf, you shrug your shoulders, hope your guy is his running mate, and get ready for the general. Life goes on.

This is what I try to do. This is what being a Republican is about. But it's not a justification for voting for a Republican nominee who violates most of the party platform.
18 posted on 11/04/2007 7:33:10 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Tax-chick

You missed the relevance of the thread. I don’t think you read it.


19 posted on 11/04/2007 7:34:15 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Bobbisox
He set the pace from the beginning, and Russert did not bully him.

Fred can't be rushed into saying something or words put in his mouth. He's too sharp.

Russert really was pretty nice to him. I saw him completely savage Bill Richardson one day. Ambush would be too mild a word to describe it. It was almost a personal attack by Russert, on and on for a half hour. Richardson was shellshocked.
20 posted on 11/04/2007 7:36:32 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FRed looked fine, from the snippets I saw.


21 posted on 11/04/2007 7:40:37 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: SatinDoll

Fred Thompson was the Minority Counsel, Hillary was a glorified intern.


22 posted on 11/04/2007 7:40:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: JCEccles
Fred had no coherent answer on abortion. He hemmed and hawed and hawed and hemmed. In the end he meekly said the killing could go on. He said he was personally against it but could understand and accept why some people (states) might be for it.

This coming from a Slick Willard supporter??


23 posted on 11/04/2007 7:41:23 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for the info. I understand she is not an effective attorney and assume Fred can think on his feet while she cannot.


24 posted on 11/04/2007 7:44:47 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Details details...
25 posted on 11/04/2007 7:46:36 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: SatinDoll

The Democrats [Sam Dash] were in charge of the Democrat staff [Hillary].
The Republicans [Fred] was in charge of the Republican staff.

Fred worked mostly with Sam Dash and a few others at the top of the Dem staff. Hillary was a bottom feeder. Fred was at the top on the other side.

Fred was aware of what was going on with the Dem staff and had uncomplimentary things to say about them. He thought there was unprofessional conduct with the Dem staffers although he never named names. However, he liked Sam Dash and thought he had integrity.

Fred thought the staffers [including Hillary] were a tail end that was wagging the rest of the dog.

There may be issues between Fred and Hillary because of that, but he doesn’t get specific in his book and never named her, but he sure was not impressed with the Dem staff.


26 posted on 11/04/2007 7:48:26 PM PST by daylilly
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27 posted on 11/04/2007 7:49:43 PM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: John Valentine

ditto.


28 posted on 11/04/2007 7:54:32 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Fred vs. Hillary will look like Reagan vs. Mondale.”

I disagree. Hillary is no Ronald Reagan.


29 posted on 11/04/2007 7:58:24 PM PST by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!! The steakiest steak in the race!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After the interview, did anyone from the Thompson camp suggest that Timmy boy be shot on sight like Hildabitch’s cronies said???


30 posted on 11/04/2007 8:03:04 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The Marxist's Dimocrat Party: Party for and by terrorists, Marxists, Socialists and Homos.)
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To: Jedidah

I would have liked that statement six weeks ago but I’m much more angry now than I was then. Reading from the purists around here and their tantrums/pouting, I am disturbingly eager for the big split to occur so that the purists go their way and the non-statists go ours


31 posted on 11/04/2007 8:16:31 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: George W. Bush
Russert really was pretty nice to him. I saw him completely savage Bill Richardson one day. Ambush would be too mild a word to describe it. It was almost a personal attack by Russert, on and on for a half hour. Richardson was shellshocked.

I used to media-train people for a living. Russert was relatively nice to Thompson because as you said, Thompson controlled the interview (i.e., it wasn't for lack of trying to savage him). One of the advantages to talking slowly and deliberately, and verbally examining an issue in response to a reporter's question, is that the reporter subsequently has less time to run the interview his way. You'll notice Thompson didn't even let Russert interrupt him -- he kept talking when Russert tried to machine-gun him, and even told Russert "now, let me finish" several times.

Great job by Thompson.

32 posted on 11/04/2007 8:20:31 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Another freeper peddling a Planned Parenthood anti-Romney advertisement with a forged signature.

The enemy of your enemy is still evil, if it’s Planned Parenthood. Anybody who quotes from attack ads of an abortion mill should have to go to stand in the corner and let the adults have a conversation.


33 posted on 11/04/2007 8:20:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: upsdriver

Hahahaha! You Hunterites and your poor guy’s 1% poll numbers. I guess I’d be bitter, too, if my hero couldn’t get any traction. So, will you be voting for Hillary in the general? Or Ron Paul on a third party ticket?


34 posted on 11/04/2007 8:22:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
This coming from a Slick Willard supporter??

The chutzpah of the Mittheads is astounding, they really outdid themselves tonight.

35 posted on 11/04/2007 8:23:05 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

It’s a classic Clintonian tactic to attack other candidates on the exact issues where your own candidate is weak. It’s good chess-playing, but it’s intellectually dishonest.


36 posted on 11/04/2007 8:23:11 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: NormsRevenge
FRed looked fine, from the snippets I saw.

The whole thing is readily available online, at the MtP website, at the Fred site linked in Reply #13 above, etc. For those on the fence or otherwise concerned about Fred's abilities as a campaigner it is worth watching the whole thing. I've been a FredHead from the get-go but I've also felt and expressed concern about his public appearances so far. Today's performance has boosted my confidence in Fred quite a bit!

37 posted on 11/04/2007 8:23:17 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Politicalmom

I watched the whole thing.

Fred handled himself beautifully.


38 posted on 11/04/2007 8:24:27 PM PST by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: tips up

I think you are right on the mark about Hillary. She’s a snake, even more dangerous than her husband. I think a President Hillary would remind us why it’s not in our interests to have a president with the power to spy on us and lock up enemies with no trial etc..., powers that we felt comfortable giving to Bush.


39 posted on 11/04/2007 8:26:13 PM PST by onguard
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To: ellery
Great job by Thompson.

Indeed, Fred is a formidable opponent. Russert appeared as a tousle haired schoolboy in comparison.

40 posted on 11/04/2007 8:29:59 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; perfect_rovian_storm
Was the article from the homosexual newspaper The Bay Window "planted" by Planned Parenthood or Dennis Kucinich's "little pink men" from Pluto? Mitt is a pro-gay, pro-abortion, gun-grabbing nanny state RINO and all the dissembling in the world won't change that.
41 posted on 11/04/2007 8:30:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Jedidah
If the guy who beats your guy is half a loaf

Fred, Fred, Fred.

C'mon now.

If the guy who beats my guy is RINO-rudy, he's not even CLOSE to being "HALF a loaf" (read that, HALF CONSERVATIVE).

He's NINETY PERCENT LIBERAL TURD, and not worth my vote.

42 posted on 11/04/2007 8:31:58 PM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt and Rudy are “slightly” to the left of Hillary Clinton

True.... what?

43 posted on 11/04/2007 8:33:35 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: DocH
Correction on RINO-rudy...

95 - 99 percent LIBERAL TURD.

44 posted on 11/04/2007 8:33:45 PM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; prairiebreeze
Mr. Potato Head was on his good behavior on MTP.

In fact, he did Sen. Thompson a lot of favors by bringing up various press reports that misquoted Fred or mis-analyzed what he said during this past week. This gave Fred the opportunity to set the record straight.

Fred did a very statesmanlike interview this morning.

Russert is the one that needs an extreme makeover. He looked over-tired and under-coiffed. Fred looked rested, alert and at ease. All in all, I thought it was a good interview.

One-on-one interviews are much better for Thompson's laid-back style than being one of the stick-figures all lined up in a row in the Republican debates.

Leni

45 posted on 11/04/2007 8:34:21 PM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: George W. Bush
Don't you find it funny that Russert did not even approach illegal immigration with Fred? It was almost as if Russert had been ordered to keep this issue off the Sunday program. Maybe Hillary told him this was his only way off her sh$$ list. She needs time to get her war machine warmed up.

Russert also did not approach Social Security, almost questioning his desire to nail Fred on something. I find these points disturbing. Fred has solid solutions to these problems in contrast to Hillary, the DemocRATs, or even to his Republican rivalries. I feel Russert could not find anything to nail Fred on, and just couldn’t pin him down with the usual spin he has.

46 posted on 11/04/2007 8:38:00 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN GRANDMA FREEPER, and a LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought Fred did okay on MTP.


47 posted on 11/04/2007 8:41:13 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: COgamer
I haven’t heard anyone disputing this philosophy. If the eventually nominee is, as the quote says, worth half a loaf, I’m sure Freepers will rally behind him.

Ummmmm.....I don't think so. There's a lot of Freepers taking the same stand as Bay Buchanan, who said that she would not vote for Rudy G. even if Hillary was his opponent.
How stupid.
48 posted on 11/04/2007 8:43:31 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somehow, the republican gay community Log Cabin Republicans seems to differ with your opinion about Mitt and gays, as they too are running ads about what they say Mitt used to say because they are upset that he hasn’t lived up to their interpretation of what they heard him say.

Your characterization of Mitt is so totally off that it is hard to imagine you actually could believe what you are writing.

It’s not like Fred Thompson has been working in the pro-life movement his entire life. Or even an entire day.

Seriously, I know he’s voted right, and I admire that, but point to ONE paragraph he wrote or said before he started talking about running for President that demonstrates he was “at one with” the pro-life, anti-abortion movement.

Even now he can’t bring himself to grant to the unborn the same inalienable right to life that we grant, at the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT level, to every other human being. No, for this ONE class of humans, Fred believes that life should be defined by the states, an argument that generally is great for a federalist, but not when it comes to basic human rights, like say abortion, or slavery.

Nobody thinks now that slavery should have been left to individual states. But Fred thinks killing babies should be left to the states.

I’ll support him anyway, because from a federal government perspective, at THIS time, it’s about all we need to get the ball rolling.

But eventually we need a president and a congress that will act on abortion like we once acted on slavery. And Fred Thompson is NOT at that point.

I’m not saying Romney is, or any other candidate is (although some certainly are). I’m just saying that people who support glass candidates should not throw stones.


49 posted on 11/04/2007 8:45:29 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: JCEccles

He did not say that.

You said that.


50 posted on 11/04/2007 8:51:04 PM PST by altura (Fear the Fred)
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