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Pilot Missing From the Vietnam War is Identified Maj. John L. Carroll, U.S. Air Force
DOD ^ | November 06, 2007 | DOD

Posted on 11/06/2007 11:14:47 AM PST by Dubya

The Department of Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office (DPMO) announced today that the remains of a U.S. serviceman, missing from the Vietnam War, have been identified and will be returned to his family for burial with full military honors.

He is Maj. John L. Carroll, U.S. Air Force, of Decatur, Ga. He will be buried on Nov. 13 at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo.

On Nov. 7, 1972, Carroll was flying a Forward Air Controller mission over Xiangkhoang Province, Laos, when his O-1G Bird Dog aircraft was hit by enemy ground fire and forced to land. Once on the ground, he radioed the Search-and-Rescue (SAR) helicopters on his intent to stay in the aircraft. Two SAR helicopters attempted a recovery, but intense enemy fire forced them to depart the area. A second pickup attempt was made later, but the pilot of that helicopter saw that Carroll had been fatally wounded. The recovery attempt was unsuccessful due to nearby enemy forces that opened fire on the helicopter.

In 1993, a joint U.S./Lao People’s Democratic Republic (L.P.D.R) team, led by the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC), investigated the incident and surveyed the crash site. During the site survey, the team found small fragments of aircraft wreckage.

Between 1996 and 2007, joint U.S./L.P.D.R./Socialist Republic of Vietnam teams, led by JPAC, conducted several interviews concerning the incident. One witness provided the team with identification media which belonged to Carroll. In another interview, a former People’s Army of North Vietnam officer turned over some of Carroll’s personal effects and told the team that local residents had buried Carroll. Another witness later led a team to the burial site.

In 2007, a joint team excavated the burial site and found his remains.

Among other forensic identification tools and circumstantial evidence, scientists from JPAC also used dental comparisons in the identification of the remains.

For additional information on the Defense Department’s mission to account for missing Americans, visit the DPMO web site at http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/ or call (703) 699-1169.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: burialdetail; homeatlast; vietnam

1 posted on 11/06/2007 11:14:48 AM PST by Dubya
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2 posted on 11/06/2007 11:16:51 AM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

RIP Major Carroll, thank you for your service.


3 posted on 11/06/2007 11:18:10 AM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: Dubya

welcome home Major


4 posted on 11/06/2007 11:18:40 AM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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5 posted on 11/06/2007 11:19:05 AM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

Welcome Home...


6 posted on 11/06/2007 11:19:09 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tomorrow!)
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7 posted on 11/06/2007 11:20:00 AM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

You are finally home Major. We didn’t forget. Rest in peace.


8 posted on 11/06/2007 11:21:43 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: snippy_about_it
Ping.

Another hero finally comes home.

9 posted on 11/06/2007 11:23:04 AM PST by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Dubya

God Bless you Sir, and all that you stood for.


10 posted on 11/06/2007 11:25:10 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: colorado tanker

November, 1972. I was in my first job after graduation...


11 posted on 11/06/2007 11:26:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Dubya

Attention On Deck!

Hand Salute

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12 posted on 11/06/2007 11:28:03 AM PST by Diver Dave
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To: Dubya

RIP, Maj. John L. Carroll.


13 posted on 11/06/2007 11:30:57 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Dubya; Owl_Eagle; Sam's Army; Lazamataz; Darksheare; pissant; najida; r-q-tek86; blackie; ...
Welcome Home Major Carroll, thanks you for your service.

Prayers for this family, thankfully they have some closure.

14 posted on 11/06/2007 11:33:54 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: Dubya
Why did it take so long to get the remains identified? How long did he live after the end of the war?

Carolyn

15 posted on 11/06/2007 11:34:43 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Dubya

RAVENS, evermore.

Salute!


16 posted on 11/06/2007 11:36:14 AM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I was joining the ROTC . . . .

I found a bio of Maj. Carroll that said he was serving as a FAC in the secret Steve Canyon program, shot down over the Plain of Jars in Laos. RIP, Maj. Carroll - and welcome home.

17 posted on 11/06/2007 11:41:24 AM PST by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: CDHart

“How long did he live after the end of the war?” He died after being shot down. The NVA didn’t much care for FACs, and when they got their hands on Major Carroll, they showed him.

RIP, Bird Dog.

TC


18 posted on 11/06/2007 11:41:43 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: aviator
For those who have never heard of RAVEN flights (or COVEY for that matter) here is some background: SYNOPSIS: The Steve Canyon program was a highly classified FAC (forward air control) operation covering the military regions of Laos. U.S. military operations in Laos were severely restricted during the Vietnam War era because Laos had been declared neutral by the Geneva Accords.

The non-communist forces in Laos, however, had a critical need for military support in order to defend territory used by Lao and North Vietnamese communist forces. The U.S., in conjunction with non-communist forces in Laos, devised a system whereby U.S. military personnel could be "in the black" or "sheep-dipped" (clandestine; mustered out of the military to perform military duties as a civilian) to operate in Laos under supervision of the U.S. Ambassador to Laos.

RAVEN was the radio call sign which identified the flyers of the Steve Canyon Program. Men recruited for the program were rated Air Force officers with at least six months experience in Vietnam. They tended to be the very best of pilots, but by definition, this meant that they were also mavericks, and considered a bit wild by the mainstream military establishment.

The Ravens came under the formal command of CINCPAC and the 7/13th Air Force 56th Special Operations Wing at Nakhon Phanom, but their pay records were maintained at Udorn with Detachment 1. Officially, they were on loan to the U.S. Air Attache at Vientiane. Unofficially, they were sent to outposts like Long Tieng, where their field commanders were the CIA, the Meo Generals, and the U.S. Ambassador. Once on duty, they flew FAC missions which controlled all U.S. air strikes over Laos.

All tactical strike aircraft had to be under the control of a FAC, who was intimately familiar with the locale, the populous, and the tactical situation. The FAC would find the target, order up U.S. fighter/bombers from an airborne command and control center, mark the target accurately with white phosphorus (Willy Pete) rockets, and control the operation throughout the time the planes remained on station. After the fighters had departed, the FAC stayed over the target to make a bomb damage assessment (BDA).

The FAC also had to ensure that there were no attacks on civilians, a complex problem in a war where there were no front lines and any hamlet could suddenly become part of the combat zone. A FAC needed a fighter pilot's mentality, but but was obliged to fly slow and low in such unarmed and vulnerable aircraft as the Cessna O1 Bird Dog, and the Cessna O2. Consequently, aircraft used by the Ravens were continually peppered with ground fire. A strong fabric tape was simply slapped over the bullet holes until the aircraft could no longer fly.

Ravens were hopelessly overworked by the war. The need for secrecy kept their numbers low (never more than 22 at one time), and the critical need of the Meo sometimes demanded each pilot fly 10 and 12 hour days. Some Ravens completed their tour of approximately 6 months with a total of over 500 combat missions.

The Ravens in at Long Tieng in Military Region II, had, for several years, the most difficult area in Laos. The base, just on the southern edge of the Plain of Jars, was also the headquarters for the CIA-funded Meo army commanded by General Vang Pao. An interesting account of this group can be read in Christopher Robbins' book, "The Ravens".

Major John L. Carroll was a Raven on station over the Plain of Jars region of Xiangkhoang Province on November 7, 1972. At a point about 5 miles southwest of the city of Ban Na Mai, Carroll's aircraft was struck by hostile fire and crashed. Witnesses advised that Maj. Carroll died of a massive head wound, and according to the Air Force, evidence of this death was received the following day, although it is not stated what the evidence consisted of.

The Defense Intelligence Agency further expanded Carroll's classification to include an enemy knowledge ranking of 1. Category 1 indicates "confirmed knowledge" and includes all personnel who were identified by the enemy by name, identified by reliable information received from escapees or releasees, reported by highly reliable intelligence sources, or identified through analysis of all-source intelligence. If, indeed, Carroll died in the crash of his aircraft or shortly thereafter, the enemy was on hand to witness it.

Carroll is one of nearly 600 Americans lost in Laos. John L. Carroll graduated from the U.S. Air Force Academy in 1962

19 posted on 11/06/2007 11:50:01 AM PST by ASOC
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To: Dubya

Cessna O-1G Bird Dog

20 posted on 11/06/2007 11:56:02 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
RIP. It is good to know how this ended. I once had a POWMIA bracelet with his name on it. I lost it tubing the Coma river in New Braunsfel.
21 posted on 11/06/2007 12:18:29 PM PST by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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22 posted on 11/06/2007 12:20:48 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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Gone for so long. Welcome back home, soldier.


23 posted on 11/06/2007 12:23:42 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Hydroshock

I am glad he is finally coming home.


24 posted on 11/06/2007 12:49:43 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: The Mayor

PING!!


25 posted on 11/06/2007 12:53:14 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Rest in peace, Major.


26 posted on 11/06/2007 1:18:42 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Dubya

“I consider it no sacrifice to die for my country. In my mind, we came here to thank God that men like these have lived rather than to regret that they have died.”

General George S. Patton


27 posted on 11/06/2007 1:36:20 PM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: Dubya

Its always wonderful to find another one of our great heroes. Great news!


28 posted on 11/06/2007 1:47:24 PM PST by jaycee ("God's love still stands when all else has fallen.")
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To: Dubya; Jersey Republican Biker Chick


TAPS


Welcome Home

29 posted on 11/06/2007 2:31:18 PM PST by The Mayor ( A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.—Proverbs 16:9)
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To: colorado tanker

Welcome home Major Carroll.

Thank you JPAC for your continued dedication.

Never Forget.


30 posted on 11/06/2007 3:17:21 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The year I made Sergeant.


31 posted on 11/06/2007 4:48:43 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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